Sports Buzz: defensive scheme talk & jc jackson update

[Golsen82]

New here, Go Canes!! I agree with Mirvin88, bench means nothing. Yes the players are strong but benching means nothing . Think of all the weightlifters who try football but dont pan out. Plus Calais Campbell benched 16 reps yet hes a dominant force for the Cardinals. Maybe they should see how many pushups they can do. Thats more relevant to overall strength.

 

[The Franchise]

So UM's not recruiting JC, but we're talking to him and his coach regularly? What the fck is that called if it's not recruiting? Are we just trying to be friends with him so he doesn't stick us up later?

 

[Golsen82]

Already thread in the Recruiting section bud. But yeah we need this savage

 

[mirvin88]

Bench press is one way to represent strength. I'm not saying a player with low reps is weak, but I am saying vice versa, a player with high bench reps can not be considered weak. You are bringing up all these scenarios where bench press doesn't matter when I'm listing it as a reason for defense of a players strength, which is the ONLY time where it can come into play.

Christian Westerman

So in other words, this is another player who can't blame his S&C coach for his short comings..

Yeah he should blame his SC coach for wasting his time practicing the bench press instead of developing functional/core strength.

The player with the top benches weakness is his strength. Take your L and move on. Do you need a Venn diagram explaining this?

If you want to change your stance to them being stronger than the average Joe at planet fitness then I'd agree, but amongst their peers in their profession, no.

A Venn Diagram would be nice if you're willing to make one, like I said, if you have knowledge share it. Yea, you make a good point, but doesn't take away from the fact of the matter. These players coming out of Miami aren't "weak", they lacked confidence in the scheme and therefore played like pussies. A lack of strength could be argued, but when you have players coming out throwing up position highs, it throws a flag up to that accusation. That's all I'm saying.

I've posted several examples to refute the importance of bench reps and how it does not equate to strength.

Your response
"Uh, uh, uh Flowers, strong, bench = strong" "Miami strong"
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[The Franchise]

What you're failing to comprehend is that bench press numbers does not equal strength. Flowers is strong and just so happens to have an impressive bench.

Robinson from Bama put up only 22 reps, must be a ****.

The bench press can be influenced positively or negatively by technique, muscle memory/endurance, length of arms, etc.

Bench press is one way to represent strength. I'm not saying a player with low reps is weak, but I am saying vice versa, a player with high bench reps can not be considered weak. You are bringing up all these scenarios where bench press doesn't matter when I'm listing it as a reason for defense of a players strength, which is the ONLY time where it can come into play.

Christian Westerman

So in other words, this is another player who can't blame his S&C coach for his short comings..

Yeah he should blame his SC coach for wasting his time practicing the bench press instead of developing functional/core strength.

The player with the top benches weakness is his strength. Take your L and move on. Do you need a Venn diagram explaining this?

If you want to change your stance to them being stronger than the average Joe at planet fitness then I'd agree, but amongst their peers in their profession, no.

Remember when Cory King was our strongest player on the bench press? Then he'd get on the field and get rag dolled by everyone? Looked like the weakest guy to ever lace em up on the DL.

 

[The Franchise]

Darling - 4*
McDermott - 4*
Isidora - 3*
Linder - 3*
Dogflu - 3*
Gall - 3*
Gauthier - 3*
St. Louis - 4*
Milo - 4*
Jones - 3*

If Searles can't make a decent unit out of this group then he's not very good at his job imo

Correct. People keep harping on last year's OL. If coaching and scheme doesn't matter in terms of getting better production out of our units and players, then why bother firing the old staff?

 

[Astcloud11]

Why are bench presses in the combine if they are so meaningless.
Edit: Also, if by several examples you mean one player than sure.

 

[Cubanas]

Players who maul people usually have high power cleans and/or squats, not bench.

There's likely a guy at LA Fitness right now who can bench 455 pounds but couldn't bust his way out of a wet paper bag.

The difference here is that a power clean is not an actual technique or movement in football. The bench press is an actual movement or technique from a standing position.

 

[mirvin88]

Why are bench presses in the combine if they are so meaningless.
Edit: Also, if by several examples you mean one player than sure.

Four player examples from this year and other explanations. Carry on

 

[Cubanas]

New here, Go Canes!! I agree with Mirvin88, bench means nothing. Yes the players are strong but benching means nothing . Think of all the weightlifters who try football but dont pan out. Plus Calais Campbell benched 16 reps yet hes a dominant force for the Cardinals. Maybe they should see how many pushups they can do. Thats more relevant to overall strength.

Actually Mirvin88 is wrong. The bench press helps develop the chest, shoulders and arms which measures those muscle groups working together demonstrating upper body strength and power together.

What he should say is, Curls is a work out that actually means nothing. It looks good in a wife better or on the beach but means nothing in football.

 

[mirvin88]

Players who maul people usually have high power cleans and/or squats, not bench.

There's likely a guy at LA Fitness right now who can bench 455 pounds but couldn't bust his way out of a wet paper bag.

The difference here is that a power clean is not an actual technique or movement in football. The bench press is an actual movement or technique from a standing position.

Yes I forgot the play where all OL lay motionless on their back and push the DL

 

[Cubanas]

Players who maul people usually have high power cleans and/or squats, not bench.

There's likely a guy at LA Fitness right now who can bench 455 pounds but couldn't bust his way out of a wet paper bag.

The difference here is that a power clean is not an actual technique or movement in football. The bench press is an actual movement or technique from a standing position.

Yes I forgot the play where all OL lay motionless on their back and push the DL

Or maybe you also missed the OL block on a running play or pass block on passing downs. Or you never played the sport.

 

[mirvin88]

Players who maul people usually have high power cleans and/or squats, not bench.

There's likely a guy at LA Fitness right now who can bench 455 pounds but couldn't bust his way out of a wet paper bag.

The difference here is that a power clean is not an actual technique or movement in football. The bench press is an actual movement or technique from a standing position.

Yes I forgot the play where all OL lay motionless on their back and push the DL

Or maybe you also missed the OL block on a running play or pass block on passing downs. Or you never played the sport.

Except leg and core strength are more important to blocking

Or maybe you were just standing there pushing defenders and that's why you are no longer playing, as you imply you did

 

[brock]

Bench pressing numbers is not the end all be all for lineman. Workouts like squat and power clean are more important IMO. Both of those indicate leg strength which is very important for lineman and the power clean which measures explosion. Bench press is good but there are other workouts important too

 

[Golsen82]

Please stop embarrassing yourself bud, think of all the strong athletic freaks who cant do squat on the field. Squats are most important and Power clenas are a more athletic football move along with the push press that develpos core, leg, chest, shoulder and tricep strength. If anyone knows weightlifting its me. All Swasey did was benching and yet other teams would do nothin but toss our OL around like the wusses they are. They need to be toughen up and do more football related workouts, not bodybuilding like benching. Have a good day sir.

 

[Golsen82]

Cubanas, you think a powerlifter or strongman would make a good OL?. I highly doubt it

 

[Golsen82]

Ha he said the power clean isnt a football move. Swasey shoulda been doing that more than benching. Maybe our OL wouldnt be weak

 

[canesthing3]

This thread is great. Hope you don't come here looking for a discussion of the original article posted.

 

[mirvin88]

This thread is great. Hope you don't come here looking for a discussion of the original article posted.

Welcome to CIS

 

[Golsen82]

Never seen many lineman work with Swasey.

They were to busy running through the d**k gauntlet