Sports Buzz: defensive scheme talk & jc jackson update

[Zbrod95]

Must be why the top two tackles in the draft didn't bench at the combine. Or why the history of guys that put up ridiculous bench numbers is terrible.

Did you even read what the topic of my reply was? We were discussing our S&C and you just said bench press means nothing, now you're bringing up how good or bad they were...it's null to the point of the topic at hand, which was claiming our players were too weak. So please explain to me how bench presses has nothing to do with our players being weak.

You claim that our players surprise people by their strength and support that by bench numbers. High bench numbers does not mean you're strong and has very little impact on your ability as a football player in comparison to other attributes as evidenced by the high bust rate for top performers at the exercise and lack of emphasis on it by scouts.

What other measurables can show strength. Because again, we aren't talking about good or bad players so bust rate means nothing like I said. When someone claims a player as weak, that means they are unable to obtain leverage or push at the LOS, Ereck Flowers abilities as a lineman is based around the strength that he has, his knock as a player was technique and footwork but yet he got drafted #9 overall. If bench press didn't matter it wouldn't be in the combine.

For lineman they should test bench press and squat. Those are 2 indicators of a lineman's strength. They can do the 3 cone drills to test their agility. 40s, vertical, and broad jump IMO they can throw out for OL.

actually the vertical and broad test lower body explosiveness and you wanna know that

 

[mirvin88]

Must be why the top two tackles in the draft didn't bench at the combine. Or why the history of guys that put up ridiculous bench numbers is terrible.

Did you even read what the topic of my reply was? We were discussing our S&C and you just said bench press means nothing, now you're bringing up how good or bad they were...it's null to the point of the topic at hand, which was claiming our players were too weak. So please explain to me how bench presses has nothing to do with our players being weak.

You claim that our players surprise people by their strength and support that by bench numbers. High bench numbers does not mean you're strong and has very little impact on your ability as a football player in comparison to other attributes as evidenced by the high bust rate for top performers at the exercise and lack of emphasis on it by scouts.

What other measurables can show strength. Because again, we aren't talking about good or bad players so bust rate means nothing like I said. When someone claims a player as weak, that means they are unable to obtain leverage or push at the LOS, Ereck Flowers abilities as a lineman is based around the strength that he has, his knock as a player was technique and footwork but yet he got drafted #9 overall. If bench press didn't matter it wouldn't be in the combine.

For lineman they should test bench press and squat. Those are 2 indicators of a lineman's strength. They can do the 3 cone drills to test their agility. 40s, vertical, and broad jump IMO they can throw out for OL.

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourselves.

 

[Astcloud11]

Must be why the top two tackles in the draft didn't bench at the combine. Or why the history of guys that put up ridiculous bench numbers is terrible.

Did you even read what the topic of my reply was? We were discussing our S&C and you just said bench press means nothing, now you're bringing up how good or bad they were...it's null to the point of the topic at hand, which was claiming our players were too weak. So please explain to me how bench presses has nothing to do with our players being weak.

You claim that our players surprise people by their strength and support that by bench numbers. High bench numbers does not mean you're strong and has very little impact on your ability as a football player in comparison to other attributes as evidenced by the high bust rate for top performers at the exercise and lack of emphasis on it by scouts.

What other measurables can show strength. Because again, we aren't talking about good or bad players so bust rate means nothing like I said. When someone claims a player as weak, that means they are unable to obtain leverage or push at the LOS, Ereck Flowers abilities as a lineman is based around the strength that he has, his knock as a player was technique and footwork but yet he got drafted #9 overall. If bench press didn't matter it wouldn't be in the combine.

For lineman they should test bench press and squat. Those are 2 indicators of a lineman's strength. They can do the 3 cone drills to test their agility. 40s, vertical, and broad jump IMO they can throw out for OL.

40's are important for teams that may run alot of plays where the lineman pulls / screens

 

[Astcloud11]

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourselves.

I lack the feeling of embarrassment. If you have knowledge then share it, and please explain why Ereck Flowers has gotten praised for his strength to hold DE's up even after he got beat off the line while you're at it.

 

[mirvin88]

Did you even read what the topic of my reply was? We were discussing our S&C and you just said bench press means nothing, now you're bringing up how good or bad they were...it's null to the point of the topic at hand, which was claiming our players were too weak. So please explain to me how bench presses has nothing to do with our players being weak.

You claim that our players surprise people by their strength and support that by bench numbers. High bench numbers does not mean you're strong and has very little impact on your ability as a football player in comparison to other attributes as evidenced by the high bust rate for top performers at the exercise and lack of emphasis on it by scouts.

What other measurables can show strength. Because again, we aren't talking about good or bad players so bust rate means nothing like I said. When someone claims a player as weak, that means they are unable to obtain leverage or push at the LOS, Ereck Flowers abilities as a lineman is based around the strength that he has, his knock as a player was technique and footwork but yet he got drafted #9 overall. If bench press didn't matter it wouldn't be in the combine.

For lineman they should test bench press and squat. Those are 2 indicators of a lineman's strength. They can do the 3 cone drills to test their agility. 40s, vertical, and broad jump IMO they can throw out for OL.

40's are important for teams that may run alot of plays where the lineman pulls / screens

10 yard splits are more important for OL than 40

 

[marshallrc13]

You claim that our players surprise people by their strength and support that by bench numbers. High bench numbers does not mean you're strong and has very little impact on your ability as a football player in comparison to other attributes as evidenced by the high bust rate for top performers at the exercise and lack of emphasis on it by scouts.

What other measurables can show strength. Because again, we aren't talking about good or bad players so bust rate means nothing like I said. When someone claims a player as weak, that means they are unable to obtain leverage or push at the LOS, Ereck Flowers abilities as a lineman is based around the strength that he has, his knock as a player was technique and footwork but yet he got drafted #9 overall. If bench press didn't matter it wouldn't be in the combine.

For lineman they should test bench press and squat. Those are 2 indicators of a lineman's strength. They can do the 3 cone drills to test their agility. 40s, vertical, and broad jump IMO they can throw out for OL.

40's are important for teams that may run alot of plays where the lineman pulls / screens

10 yard splits are more important for OL than 40

Agreed. Even for a team that runs lots of screens and draws, 10- 20 yds is a better indicator. OL will rarely run 40 yds.

 

[mirvin88]

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourselves.

I lack the feeling of embarrassment. If you have knowledge then share it, and please explain why Ereck Flowers has gotten praised for his strength to hold DE's up even after he got beat off the line while you're at it.

What you're failing to comprehend is that bench press numbers does not equal strength. Flowers is strong and just so happens to have an impressive bench.

Robinson from Bama put up only 22 reps, must be a *****.

The bench press can be influenced positively or negatively by technique, muscle memory/endurance, length of arms, etc.

 

[Astcloud11]

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourselves.

I lack the feeling of embarrassment. If you have knowledge then share it, and please explain why Ereck Flowers has gotten praised for his strength to hold DE's up even after he got beat off the line while you're at it.

What you're failing to comprehend is that bench press numbers does not equal strength. Flowers is strong and just so happens to have an impressive bench.

Robinson from Bama put up only 22 reps, must be a ****.

The bench press can be influenced positively or negatively by technique, muscle memory/endurance, length of arms, etc.

Bench press is one way to represent strength. I'm not saying a player with low reps is weak, but I am saying vice versa, a player with high bench reps can not be considered weak. You are bringing up all these scenarios where bench press doesn't matter when I'm listing it as a reason for defense of a players strength, which is the ONLY time where it can come into play.

 

[rok]

Just move Jaquan to corner and be done with it. Even if it means he moves back to safety in 2017 once Jenkins, Carter, Colbert all move on.

 

[paksat]

There’s disappointment over Swasey’s firing among ex-players, but we’re told the new staff believed the team wasn’t tough enough last year and Mark Richt wanted a new approach to conditioning

***ing savage

"make a play or get off the field"

 

[mirvin88]

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourselves.

I lack the feeling of embarrassment. If you have knowledge then share it, and please explain why Ereck Flowers has gotten praised for his strength to hold DE's up even after he got beat off the line while you're at it.

What you're failing to comprehend is that bench press numbers does not equal strength. Flowers is strong and just so happens to have an impressive bench.

Robinson from Bama put up only 22 reps, must be a ****.

The bench press can be influenced positively or negatively by technique, muscle memory/endurance, length of arms, etc.

Bench press is one way to represent strength. I'm not saying a player with low reps is weak, but I am saying vice versa, a player with high bench reps can not be considered weak. You are bringing up all these scenarios where bench press doesn't matter when I'm listing it as a reason for defense of a players strength, which is the ONLY time where it can come into play.

Christian Westerman

 

[arizonacane]

Swasey isn't training them for free. He's getting paid. His income took a hit going from UM money to HS money.

 

[Ghandi]

When do we start hearing good news about the offensive scheme!?

Miami Hurricanes 2015 Rosters

Look at the talent on the OL. That's Brutal.

 

[Coach Macho]

Players who maul people usually have high power cleans and/or squats, not bench.

There's likely a guy at LA Fitness right now who can bench 455 pounds but couldn't bust his way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[rok]

Darling - 4*
McDermott - 4*
Isidora - 3*
Linder - 3*
Dogflu - 3*
Gall - 3*
Gauthier - 3*
St. Louis - 4*
Milo - 4*
Jones - 3*

If Searles can't make a decent unit out of this group then he's not very good at his job imo

 

[Astcloud11]

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourselves.

I lack the feeling of embarrassment. If you have knowledge then share it, and please explain why Ereck Flowers has gotten praised for his strength to hold DE's up even after he got beat off the line while you're at it.

What you're failing to comprehend is that bench press numbers does not equal strength. Flowers is strong and just so happens to have an impressive bench.

Robinson from Bama put up only 22 reps, must be a ****.

The bench press can be influenced positively or negatively by technique, muscle memory/endurance, length of arms, etc.

Bench press is one way to represent strength. I'm not saying a player with low reps is weak, but I am saying vice versa, a player with high bench reps can not be considered weak. You are bringing up all these scenarios where bench press doesn't matter when I'm listing it as a reason for defense of a players strength, which is the ONLY time where it can come into play.

Christian Westerman

So in other words, this is another player who can't blame his S&C coach for his short comings..

 

[mirvin88]

I lack the feeling of embarrassment. If you have knowledge then share it, and please explain why Ereck Flowers has gotten praised for his strength to hold DE's up even after he got beat off the line while you're at it.

What you're failing to comprehend is that bench press numbers does not equal strength. Flowers is strong and just so happens to have an impressive bench.

Robinson from Bama put up only 22 reps, must be a ****.

The bench press can be influenced positively or negatively by technique, muscle memory/endurance, length of arms, etc.

Bench press is one way to represent strength. I'm not saying a player with low reps is weak, but I am saying vice versa, a player with high bench reps can not be considered weak. You are bringing up all these scenarios where bench press doesn't matter when I'm listing it as a reason for defense of a players strength, which is the ONLY time where it can come into play.

Christian Westerman

So in other words, this is another player who can't blame his S&C coach for his short comings..

Yeah he should blame his SC coach for wasting his time practicing the bench press instead of developing functional/core strength.

The player with the top benches weakness is his strength. Take your L and move on. Do you need a Venn diagram explaining this?

If you want to change your stance to them being stronger than the average Joe at planet fitness then I'd agree, but amongst their peers in their profession, no.

 

[Cubanas]

Actually everyone is right in a way. But the real answer is all three of the following:

1) Bench Press Reps
2) Core - Sit Ups Max Times
3) Squats Max

The bench press test of 225 lbs is the best test to date to measure upper body strength of football players that play positions that have to use their hands, arms, and shoulders to make or defeat blocks at the snap of the ball. The number of reps of 225 measures endurance and the use of the muscle groups in the shoulders and arms. It also is a quick indicator of what your max bench is without wasting time evaluating each lift for over 100 guys.

Actual power comes from the hips and is best measured with squats. This test only measures the athletes lower body strength.

Abdominal strength (core) sit-up max times indicates how strong an athletes abdominal muscles are. The core is the link between leg drive and upper body strength.

So the best way to accurately measure a football players ability to apply his maximum strength, power and endurance over a sustained period of time is Bench press reps, squat max and sit up max times. The core is the center of the body which allows the football player to transition all of his power from both upper and lower body from a standing position to the point of contact.

Coach Swasey was highly sought after by NFL athletes because he mastered this philosophy.

 

[Astcloud11]

What you're failing to comprehend is that bench press numbers does not equal strength. Flowers is strong and just so happens to have an impressive bench.

Robinson from Bama put up only 22 reps, must be a ****.

The bench press can be influenced positively or negatively by technique, muscle memory/endurance, length of arms, etc.

Bench press is one way to represent strength. I'm not saying a player with low reps is weak, but I am saying vice versa, a player with high bench reps can not be considered weak. You are bringing up all these scenarios where bench press doesn't matter when I'm listing it as a reason for defense of a players strength, which is the ONLY time where it can come into play.

Christian Westerman

So in other words, this is another player who can't blame his S&C coach for his short comings..

Yeah he should blame his SC coach for wasting his time practicing the bench press instead of developing functional/core strength.

The player with the top benches weakness is his strength. Take your L and move on. Do you need a Venn diagram explaining this?

If you want to change your stance to them being stronger than the average Joe at planet fitness then I'd agree, but amongst their peers in their profession, no.

A Venn Diagram would be nice if you're willing to make one, like I said, if you have knowledge share it. Yea, you make a good point, but doesn't take away from the fact of the matter. These players coming out of Miami aren't "weak", they lacked confidence in the scheme and therefore played like pussies. A lack of strength could be argued, but when you have players coming out throwing up position highs, it throws a flag up to that accusation. That's all I'm saying.

 

[theu852]

swasey needed to go regardless. he's been part of the last three failed regimens.