South beach rentals says....

[clg003]

People are totally missing the point here... and its obvious...

There are holes in every story that has come up in their defense... The lawyers, the rental agency and Juwon's.

Lawyers admits to, the players not telling the truth and then cries about the burden being on him to proove.
The rental agency says they paid in full for one time but also brings up this vague BS about test drives.
Juwon's mentions paying them back. Well I thought they were paid in full a long time ago.

The U doesn't like that they do not have the whole truth and stories don't add up. Next.

 

[SevenNSeven]

Since nobody has any, or will have any, worthwhile (specific) info on the allegations, it really comes down to who one wants to believe is less competent: the UM brass or a couple of 20-something year old, entitled jocks.


I completely understand why people would side against the players, but, forgive me if I don't put a lot of trust in the overall competence of the UM leadership either.


I think even if you are of the opinion that the university did the right thing in dismissing the players, one would have to admit that the timing and way it went down left much to be desired, which is about par for the course with this school.

 

[Torocane]

Since nobody has any, or will have any, worthwhile (specific) info on the allegations, it really comes down to who one wants to believe is less competent: the UM brass or a couple of 20-something year old, entitled jocks.


I completely understand why people would side against the players, but, forgive me if I don't put a lot of trust in the overall competence of the UM leadership either.


I think even if you are of the opinion that the university did the right thing in dismissing the players, one would have to admit that the timing and way it went down left much to be desired, which is about par for the course with this school.

Those things are not mutually exclusive.
You can be critical of how the administration has handled sports in the past while at the same time believe that they acted in the correct and responsible way this time to protect UM's future.

 

[SevenNSeven]

Since nobody has any, or will have any, worthwhile (specific) info on the allegations, it really comes down to who one wants to believe is less competent: the UM brass or a couple of 20-something year old, entitled jocks.


I completely understand why people would side against the players, but, forgive me if I don't put a lot of trust in the overall competence of the UM leadership either.


I think even if you are of the opinion that the university did the right thing in dismissing the players, one would have to admit that the timing and way it went down left much to be desired, which is about par for the course with this school.

Those things are not mutually exclusive.
You can be critical of how the administration has handled sports in the past while at the same time believe that they acted in the correct and responsible way this time to protect UM's future.

Good response.


Could I give them the benefit of the doubt? Sure.


But why? (and I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm honestly asking)


Because it seems to me that they chose a path that was possibly A. overtly heavy handed, B. poorly timed and handled, C. even hurtful to the program when you factor in recruiting.


I'm actually leaning the other way, while I believe the players were a bunch of dumb-asses, I have no faith that the UM brass didn't overreact in such a way as to put the school at a competitive disadvantage...mostly because I have no faith in the UM brass at all.

 

[Torocane]

Since nobody has any, or will have any, worthwhile (specific) info on the allegations, it really comes down to who one wants to believe is less competent: the UM brass or a couple of 20-something year old, entitled jocks.


I completely understand why people would side against the players, but, forgive me if I don't put a lot of trust in the overall competence of the UM leadership either.


I think even if you are of the opinion that the university did the right thing in dismissing the players, one would have to admit that the timing and way it went down left much to be desired, which is about par for the course with this school.

Those things are not mutually exclusive.
You can be critical of how the administration has handled sports in the past while at the same time believe that they acted in the correct and responsible way this time to protect UM's future.

Give them the benefit of the doubt? Sure.


But why? (and I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm honestly asking)

I'm not giving them the benefit of the boubt. I basing my opinion on what we know and not speculating on what we don't.

We know they got high end rental cars.
We know that they lied to the investigators about it.
We know the car rental place has given conflicting accounts.
We know UM is on ncaa probation.

Doesn't seem to be that much of a leap to believe UM actually protected the football program and everybody including the current players in it situation.

Here what we don't know. Why the ruling came down one week before the season and I don't know the reason for that.

 

[orange&green84]

Considering the way this athletic department has been run the last decade+, does it really surprise anyone that Craig Anderson is a huge ******, and that the University throws kids under the bus unnecessarily? As much as many on the board want to be quick to blame a couple 20 year olds, is it really a stretch to believe that UM once again **** the bed and acted poorly?

If the student body isn't *** fake as the school, they should be out protesting this bs in front of the presidents office house etc... But according to so many ppl on this board like [MENTION=4841]The Franchise[/MENTION], AQM and Grace are up and coming serial killers so they got what they deserved.

[MENTION=1]Andrew[/MENTION], curious to see if this draws an infraction - clear troll that's allowed to trash other posters and the school in general.

[MENTION=1]Andrew[/MENTION] [MENTION=4841]The Franchise[/MENTION] has a crazed fan that can't sleep at night bc he got in "trouble" lol

Oh, I'm sleeping just fine. I'm worried about you though, pumpkin. Has to be rough viewing the world through your prism where things are distorted the way they are.

 

[Torocane]

Since nobody has any, or will have any, worthwhile (specific) info on the allegations, it really comes down to who one wants to believe is less competent: the UM brass or a couple of 20-something year old, entitled jocks.


I completely understand why people would side against the players, but, forgive me if I don't put a lot of trust in the overall competence of the UM leadership either.


I think even if you are of the opinion that the university did the right thing in dismissing the players, one would have to admit that the timing and way it went down left much to be desired, which is about par for the course with this school.

Those things are not mutually exclusive.
You can be critical of how the administration has handled sports in the past while at the same time believe that they acted in the correct and responsible way this time to protect UM's future.

Good response.


Could I give them the benefit of the doubt? Sure.


But why? (and I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm honestly asking)


Because it seems to me that they chose a path that was possibly A. overtly heavy handed, B. poorly timed and handled, C. even hurtful to the program when you factor in recruiting.


I'm actually leaning the other way, while I believe the players were a bunch of dumb-asses, I have no faith that the UM brass didn't overreact in such a way as to put the school at a competitive disadvantage...mostly because I have no faith in the UM brass at all.

That's subjective but I think we can agree that the situation was created by the players and compounded by lying to the investigators.
And yes 18 year olds lie and I'm not the moral police but there is a different between lying and lying to the police for example.

 

[AtrainCane]

He beat up a student bad that had very influential parents to the university and it wasn't in Golden's hands on the punishment. The punishment was decided by the university.

So he got in a fight with another student. I have never seen a football player at a major university get suspended the whole year for beating up a student.
I don't give a sht much how influence the student's parents have. The punishment did not fit the crime. The Shalala disease still infests the school. The school changed presidents, but all those people she put in power around the school still remain. 2 billion poured into the medical center, but were just getting an IPF............

You can't be this stupid. Do you realize that just because someone gives to the University, doesn't mean the school can use the money for whatever they want? In other words, that 1 billion to the medical school is most likely earmarked, as are most major gifts. The athletic department gets to hold on to any money they raise, hence why they embarked upon a capital needs project, in order to get the money needed to build structures like the Schwartz Center, and the soon to be announced IPF. When will the idiots in this fanbase get it through their thick skulls that this isn't a state institution, where kids have to come, because it's the cheapest option around....

In other words, this school is different, and student-athletes won't be allowed to go around doing whatever the **** they want. Kids go into SIX FIGURE DEBT in order to walk across the stage at commencement, and as a result their rights will be respected here. Regular students have been expelled for far less, and Quan was merely suspended despite assaulting someone whose parents have given significant money to the school. This was how he chose to repay the school that gave him a second chance, and DESPITE all of that the school he burned TWICE is allowing him to finish his degree ON SCHOLARSHIP. Yep, us stakeholders should be ashamed of the administration and the University itself.

On the contrary, I'm quite intelligent. I know you cant use the money donated for a SPECIFIC thing for whatever the **** you want to. The point is she put all her time and effort into raising money for the medical center. What did she do for the football program? Did she go in guns a blazing to raise money for it? The answer is **** NO. She went as cheap as she possible could for everything football. Look at the coaching hires...lazy as fck. Look at all these schools around the country without 1 fckn title, running around in their IPF's.

And again my question was never answered. What Power 5 school suspends a football player for a fight the ENTIRE football season. I follow college football, and can't recall another school doing this to a football player. Donna wanted to make UM some Ivy League school in the south, period. UM is a great school, but it will never be fckn Harvard. We have a UF grad, our most hated rival, working in our compliance department...All the schools in this country...a UF grad, really, seriously.

Off the top of my head. Lagarrette Blount got suspended a whole season for sucker punching another football player after a game.

Blount played the first game against Boise St. and punched a player from the OTHER team after the game. AQM punched a student at UM before the season started. Two totally different things.