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[KingCane20]

 

[GojiraCane]

Yeah me and your mom

Oh I'm sorry, you wish to defend this performance? North Carolina could scarcely have scored more points if Baker's scheme was simply to only go with two defensive players on the field.

 

[zlink123]

Did anyone see the def scheme where they had 5 defenders to the left n Roche by himself

I literally left the game when I seen that. I was yelling when I seen that.

 

[KOOLAID4L]

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This scheme is the dumbest I ever seen

 

[zlink123]

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I literally got my keys and left. Was behind the field goal when I saw that. Was yelling “WHAT ARE YOU DOING”

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Stunting the defensive line. Every time you do it you can move your D-line out of a play and that’s exactly what happened. We don’t have the LB play to play with NFL backs in space because trust me both of those dudes are nfl guys.

You nailed it. The whole scheme revolves around getting into the backfield as quickly as possible. LBs have to be athletic and excellent tacklers to clean up mistakes. Its undisciplined football, but against a lot of inferior opponents it can disrupt an offense. A good offense with a good QB will absolutely destroy it and exploit every opportunity. Slow LBs are dead meat. And when you combine that with terrible CB play, you get results like tonight.

 

[TheU1984]

This is exactly what Jumbo did to Randy in 2011. Overly agressive play backfired. Just like Randy had no answer. Neither did Mandy.

 

[Cane passion]

They killed us with counter. Not sure what the responsibilities of the defensive ends were but if they were crashing then the play side inside linebacker has to become the force defender to that side. Inside backers just were not getting their. When our ends take on the kick out blocks with the same shoulder that’s forcing the run inside which they had success with too.

 

[canadianhurricane]

Whatever the fuxk Diaz's weaknesses are, Mack show it first hand and showed it down our throats tonight.

Diaz is an arrogant ******* to think Mack wouldnt test him to see if he learned anything.

What would this team be without King and Lashlee ?

 

[datcaneguy]

It started with being out leveraged. Baker or Manny whoever the **** was calling the plays this game we’re guessing where UNC would run and not dictating where they want the to run to. That’s why the counter worked all game. You send all the motion away from where they wanted to go because they knew the whole team would aggressively flow that way. Then when counters back away from the flow everyone on defense shoulders are turned in pursuit angles leaving massive lanes to run through. Safeties missed so many tackles because they flowed to hard to the play.

When playing the back side of stretch plays and counters your never to turn your shoulders towards the line of scrimmage unless you playing a triple option team or it’s a designed defensive call. Your thought to keep your shoulders square to the line of scrimmage and shuffle down the line for any thing coming back your way. If there are pullers the d-lineman are taught to blow up the pullers to leave the linebackers free for pursuit.

numerous times I seen the back side end shooting down the line of scrimmage shoulders turned only for the running back to cutback right pass him. Same with the pulling guards on almost every counter play there were two offensive lineman going 10-15 yards down the field before they even touched a UM player. That’s why the yards before contact were so high.

This is something that should of been fixed after the first run of the game but continued over and over all game. That’s bad in game coaching. And for it not to be fixed after halftime is even more coaching ineptitude. On that same note, this should of been fixed after UL gashed this team with counters.

I really question the football IQ of this staff at times. A lot of these principles are Pop Warner level. I seen better play against the zone/counter blocking schemes at the high school level than what I’ve seen from this team. This team has bad coaching and not enough talent level to mask it. Talent is getting there but the coaching is still lacking. Until something changes from the coaching side of things you will continue to see these 4 and 5* kids we recruit fall into the mediocre category

 

[fedupcane]

It’s been said like 100 times. We did nothing different on defense.

Our scheme is a gimmick that doesn’t function against well coach, talented teams. It never has, and never will.

The ND game of 2017 was the outlier, and we were playing against a freshman QB who was a deer in headlights. Every single other ranked team we faced while this fraud has been here going back to 2016 we have gotten worked. And we have gotten obliterated by the elite squads.

You need to get over how we look against unbanked ACC trash bc those are stat padding games that our gimmick defense can feast on.

 

[fedupcane]

You nailed it. The whole scheme revolves around getting into the backfield as quickly as possible. LBs have to be athletic and excellent tacklers to clean up mistakes. Its undisciplined football, but against a lot of inferior opponents it can disrupt an offense. A good offense with a good QB will absolutely destroy it and exploit every opportunity. Slow LBs are dead meat. And when you combine that with terrible CB play, you get results like tonight.

It is a defense that runs many different fronts, and in an effort to not confuse players doesn’t assign LBs gaps. Don’t car how fast you are, if you are simply running to what you THINK should be your gap, you will get trapped all game.

It’s lazy coaching to try to make things “simple” for the players to learn but complex in its execution. But there is no free lunch in the game. If you wanna run four different fronts and a million stunts, you gotta teach the kids every SINGLE assignment. It’s what Saban does. He doesn’t just say, “fill the open gap”.

 

[datcaneguy]

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Definition of guessing and not having a plan.

Manny/Baker: they been running counter all night let’s out leverage them to the side the counter been coming to that’ll be smart.

Mack: lol, two guys to block one to the left side. I will run that way that’ll be smart.

 

[Bennubird]

Explain to me what led to this performance on the defensive side??

Please no...

Baker is a ******.... McCloud and Jennings suck bro... or canes duh bro

Was it all about the play calls putting the players in wrong spots?

Was it our Dline l not being able to shed blocks to get the run?

@dwreck27 Manny said in his post game presser that UNC ran the same couple of plays and we didn't adjust to stop it. What would follow logically from that statement if it was made by a strong leader? I would expect significant changes to be made.

At a basic level football is not difficult to figure out. Teams with better programs (executives, administrators, etc.) assemble better staffs, who recruit better players, who understand how critically important it is to get an elite QB, and who have standards for everyone including coaches that must consistently be met or there are severe consequences. That's not who we have been in the past 15 years, and, obviously, it's not who we are right now.

Our problems on defense go beyond having LBs who don't know their keys and who offensive linemen repeatedly get their big mitts on or even a dearth of good CBs. Those problems are indicative of a deeper problem with our defensive staff and the culture of our program.

If we don't see significant changes made to the staff in the off season, expect to see more of the same eeking out victories over average teams and losing to teams whose program is serious about having a winning football team just as we've experienced over the past 15 years.

Let me add in closing that the present iteration of Manny Diaz must evolve into a better more demanding executive administrator, and if he does not, he won't lead us anywhere we want to be.

 

[drewm3i]

A real simple answer is that we haven’t been the same since J Johnson left. His scheme is so unsound you need an eraser back there and we don’t have one.

Underrated comment and something people dont always think of...I also think we havent replaced Willis.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

Our entire defensive strategy is based on havoc. We shoot gaps and stunt and ignore gap integrity to chase negative plays. We also have slow LBs and DBs that don’t set good angles because they have no anchor points. UNC just used our aggressiveness against us and basically ran the ball under our dline as they rushed upfield. Our linebackers were picked off at the second level and so it was 10 or so yards until someone touched a back. The ran counter 40 times tonight

This and we got MAULED up front, especially in the middle.
The short of it OP is we looked slow, lethargic, and disinterested. UNC looked hungry and they completely pushed our **** in because of it

 

[drewm3i]

This is exactly what Jumbo did to Randy in 2011. Overly agressive play backfired. Just like Randy had no answer. Neither did Mandy.

*2010

 

[TriStarCane]

This and we got MAULED up front, especially in the middle.
The short of it OP is we looked slow, lethargic, and disinterested. UNC looked hungry and they completely pushed our **** in because of it

Correct. It was the worst combo of being out schemed while simultaneously giving the worst effort ever

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

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LOL, $h!t looked like some sort of punt block alignment. Diaz should be fired for letting Baker run this bull$h!t.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

It was the worst combo of being out schemed while simultaneously giving the worst effort ever

The former led to the latter. When the $h!t you run ain't workin', kids give up...simple.