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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Just a cursory check of any professional job sites shows Bachelor’s as a bare minimum. Or go to any Fortune 500 company’s web sites. Or just ask someone from Human Resources at these companies.
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Many managers at fortune 500 companies do not have degrees. I think you're brainwashed.

Companies pay for skills, not badges.
 
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kgranger17 said:
Many managers at fortune 500 companies do not have degrees. I think you're brainwashed.

Companies pay for skills, not badges.
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Depends on the job.

Pretty much 100% of the white collar jobs require a degree.

You are being willfully ignorant and passing your ignorance along. Don’t know what your agenda is, but you’re dead wrong. It’s quite pathetic. Just do an internet search for positions. It’s right under your nose.

Flat earth society.

I hire people. I know what I’m talking about.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Depends on the job.

Pretty much 100% of the white collar jobs require a degree.

You are being willfully ignorant and passing your ignorance along. Don’t know what your agenda is, but you’re dead wrong. It’s quite pathetic. Just do an internet search for positions. It’s right under your nose.

Flat earth society.

I hire people. I know what I’m talking about.
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"Pretty much 100% of white collar jobs" require a degree.

Again, employers aren't really giving af anymore about degrees. Many people in my team/org don't have degrees. Two people in my immediate family don't have a degree and get paid more. And they work "white collar jobs". Employers don't give af about badges. You know, the whole "or equivalent" experience clause(paid experience)? IT'S RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSE BRO.

Btw you sound like a skunk saying "I hire people. I know what I'm talking about" lmao.
 
kgranger17 said:
"Pretty much 100% of white collar jobs" require a degree.

Again, employers aren't really giving af anymore about degrees. Many people in my team/org don't have degrees. Two people in my immediate family don't have a degree and get paid more. And they work "white collar jobs". Employers don't give af about badges. You know, the whole "or equivalent" experience clause(paid experience)? IT'S RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSE BRO.

Btw you sound like a skunk saying "I hire people. I know what I'm talking about" lmao.
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Kgrnger and OCC have split this debate both are pretty much spot on.

I have no degree and when I interview, I Give job descriptions and what’s expected .
That usually brings and leads them to moving uncomfortably in there chair do to having to work especially being with Liberal instructors in college brain washed for years.

What is a specialty of mine on the application they always put in comments.

“ I WILL DO THIS, THAT ANYTHING NEEDED”

Then when they back slide to Liberal millennial tendencies calling in sick , freeloading and so on complaining I bring them back in my office and point to there comments and ask WHERE IS THIS PERSON I hired usually we part ways.

I had one time an applicant with community college degree brought his wife with him and both were very nervous scared of me saying SORRY can’t use you no experience your degree didn’t train you for anything but cry room use.

Anyway, I saw them both figgiting holding hands.

I stood up right there and said YOUR HIRED can you start now wife cried , he’s my go to man for 25 years .

Makes six figures, car , CC use and sets his own hours he always says to me “ WE NEVER CLOSE “ sir .

Anyway you both had good points .
GOCANES
 
kgranger17 said:
"Pretty much 100% of white collar jobs" require a degree.

Again, employers aren't really giving af anymore about degrees. Many people in my team/org don't have degrees. Two people in my immediate family don't have a degree and get paid more. And they work "white collar jobs". Employers don't give af about badges. You know, the whole "or equivalent" experience clause(paid experience)? IT'S RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSE BRO.

Btw you sound like a skunk saying "I hire people. I know what I'm talking about" lmao.
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You’re a clown.

You cite two examples from your family and think it’s case closed.

I can cite millions of examples that can be easily documented. You are so out of your depth, it’s pathetic.

You think you are making your case by citing exceptions. Of course there are always exceptions. But what you are actually doing, is making the case stronger for a degree. The exceptions confirm, not disprove, the rule.

The jobs marketplace doesn’t lie.

You are literally clowning yourself in this thread.

And yes, I’m a boss. I hire.
 
TerragonSix said:
I have said for years that if you want to put a dent in college football, you need to put in a good minor league product.

Pay kids out of high school 150k, 1-2 yr contracts. Offer health insurance, etc.

The USFL was doing great as a summer football program until they tried to challenge the NFL. Make it fun, make it exciting. let the young guys use their likeness for sponsorships.

Make a mockery of the NCAA. Say 'we dont have forced labor in our league', they can make a great living playing football AND go to a college of their choice'.

Obviously, you'll lose your top guys to the NFL, but there are plenty of young guys that want to make money out of HS.

The NFL has no interest in a product like that because for them, college is a AAA program they have to sink absolutely no money into.
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Agreed with most until you mentioned this false idea that college players are engaged in forced labor. They are not. As already been mentioned, if they don't think the current arrangement is fair they can seek employment opportunities elsewhere and forego a free college education in order to play football.
 
Both sides of this discussion have merit. I got a B.A. in Psychology from UM back in the 60s. At that time, it got my foot in the door of a large employer where I went on to a lot of career success. Today, employers are not in the "training" game; they want to hire people with hard skills who can hit the ground running.

Hence, I would NEVER advise my grandchildren to pursue a liberal arts degree (unless they wanted to become teachers). Having a B.A. is world's better than having a HS degree with no demonstrable, marketable skills. But ... a HS grad who has tech skills might be just as, or even more, employable.

Later on the career ladder, if the degreed person and a non-degreed person are competing for a promotion, it usually will go to the degreed person. A degreed person is almost always seen as having the greater all-round "upside."
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
You’re a clown.

You cite two examples from your family and think it’s case closed.

I can cite millions of examples that can be easily documented. You are so out of your depth, it’s pathetic.

You think you are making your case by citing exceptions. Of course there are always exceptions. But what you are actually doing, is making the case stronger for a degree. The exceptions confirm, not disprove, the rule.

The jobs marketplace doesn’t lie.

You are literally clowning yourself in this thread.

And yes, I’m a boss. I hire.
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E.N.D. O.F. S.T.O.R.Y
 
As I've said COUNTLESS times...Lots of Luck in today's Job Marketplace, showing up for an interview, waving your HS Diploma or GED around......Is it out of the question that you can find a well paying job without a College Ed and Degree??....Absolutely not.....BUT...It HIGHLY depends on the field....and lets not kid ourselves....the Majority of well paying jobs either requires a Degree...or at the VERY least, yrs upon yrs of apprenticeship.....
 
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hotshot said:
Both sides of this discussion have merit. I got a B.A. in Psychology from UM back in the 60s. At that time, it got my foot in the door of a large employer where I went on to a lot of career success. Today, employers are not in the "training" game; they want to hire people with hard skills who can hit the ground running.

Hence, I would NEVER advise my grandchildren to pursue a liberal arts degree (unless they wanted to become teachers). Having a B.A. is world's better than having a HS degree with no demonstrable, marketable skills. But ... a HS grad who has tech skills might be just as, or even more, employable.

Later on the career ladder, if the degreed person and a non-degreed person are competing for a promotion, it usually will go to the degreed person. A degreed person is almost always seen as having the greater all-round "upside."
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So, both sides of the argument don’t have equal merit.

One side only has exceptions going for it.

And of course your degree matters.

It also matters if you show initiative.

If you’re going to go to school to party, make C’s, and D’s, and major in some general humanities or liberal arts, well, good luck in the marketplace. You’re not going to be perceived as highly motivated by prospective employers.

And irrespective of your degree, if you’re one of those students that showed initiative and leadership in your college career, in athletics, with extra curricular activities, among other things, employers will look upon you very favorably.

Many employers don’t hire right out of college as they prefer college plus a few years experience, less risk that way. Many love students that worked AND went to school or were RA’s.
 
kgranger17 said:
"Pretty much 100% of white collar jobs" require a degree.

Again, employers aren't really giving af anymore about degrees. Many people in my team/org don't have degrees. Two people in my immediate family don't have a degree and get paid more. And they work "white collar jobs". Employers don't give af about badges. You know, the whole "or equivalent" experience clause(paid experience)? IT'S RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSE BRO.

Btw you sound like a skunk saying "I hire people. I know what I'm talking about" lmao.
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You really like to hear yourself talk. Unfortunately, nobody else does, which is why you’re bloviating on a message board.
 
mirvin88 said:
So he didn't graduate and I'm supposed to feel sorry for the kid? He could've majored in anything he desired but chose to not wrap it up, have 2 kids at 19 and not take advantage of his free ride at UM. Whoops.
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And WTF does any of this have to do with JY wanting to finish His degree now?

Yes He made an ill advised decision by leaving early, however, He did it to better the lives of those 2 kids that you don't think should be here....same way He's trying to better their lives by finishing His degree now.

He can have it both ways, UM owes it to Him.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
You’re a clown.

You cite two examples from your family and think it’s case closed.

I can cite millions of examples that can be easily documented. You are so out of your depth, it’s pathetic.

You think you are making your case by citing exceptions. Of course there are always exceptions. But what you are actually doing, is making the case stronger for a degree. The exceptions confirm, not disprove, the rule.

The jobs marketplace doesn’t lie.

You are literally clowning yourself in this thread.

And yes, I’m a boss. I hire.
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I think this would bring light to everything you say; you a commie?
 
kgranger17 said:
If there is a market for it, america will pay for it. Why should football revenue pay for other sports?
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because the university would shut down if it didn't because the feds would pull funding. the reform you're talking about is changing a federal regulation that was designed to make higher education equitable for women. good luck getting anyone in collegiate athletics administration to touch that with a 10 foot pole.
 
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db305 said:
because the university would shut down if it didn't because the feds would pull funding. the reform you're talking about is changing a federal regulation that was designed to make higher education equitable for women. good luck getting anyone in collegiate athletics administration to touch that with a 10 foot pole.
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LOL...you must've never heard of Betsy Devos.
 
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