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Some thoughts on the Louisville loss

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Calinative said:
I still think we are very good. The Run Scheme has been an abomination for multiple years now. Its legit the exact same **** I've been saying the entire time.
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We’re good enough talent-wise to have an undefeated regular season this year. We’ll lose more games if they keep running into the middle like this. I saw people saying that mirabal calls the runs? I would imagine that Dawson calls the plays but the blocking scheme is mirabal. Who is it on - Mario, mirabal or Dawson?
 
STG said:
Are you ******* dumb? Lacking a chromosome? I said

"Making the playoffs mean nothing to me unless we are playing for it all. I rather win the ACC and get bounced in our 1st game of the playoffs, than not win the ACC and let's say get bounced in R2 of the playoffs. Unless we are playing for it all, I don't care."

Slooooooooooowwwww for you.

I rather win the ACC, which means we are in the playoffs, have an ACC title/banner and lose in RD1 of the playoffs, than to not even play for or win the ACC, still make the playoffs and lose in R2D.

Got it this time? Need it in sign language?
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Bro my original question was if we make the playoffs but don’t make the ACC chip game would you consider this szn a failure and you responded by saying an ACC chip is more important to you then making the playoffs and losing round 1 or 2..my comprehension skills tell me that you would be okay with us winning an ACC title but losing in the first/second round of the playoffs am I wrong ?
 
MikeyCanez said:
My head hurts trying to argue with this logic.

We agree that playing for a national championship is the ultimate goal. What gives you a better chance of doing that? Winning the ACC title or winning a first round playoff game?

Is losing in the CFB semifinal better? You don't win anything for that either so no? What is more likely to get you to the semifinal game -- an ACC title or winning in RD 1?

Your hypothetical is quite literally is what happened to Clemson last season. Was Clemson's season a massive success in your eyes?
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He a lil slow
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Bro my original question was if we make the playoffs but don’t make the ACC chip game would you consider this szn a failure and you responded by saying an ACC chip is more important to you then making the playoffs and losing round 1 or 2..my comprehension skills tell me that you would be okay with us winning an ACC title but losing immediately in the first round of the playoffs am I wrong ?
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Versus not winning the ACC and simply getting bounced RD 2.

So yes, that means we still make the playoffs, and have an ACC title.

ACC title + RD1 loss to me is better than no ACC title and bounced R2. Both scenarios means we are in the playoffs.

Nowhere did I state I prefer an ACC title and not making the playoffs, versus no ACC title but playoff bound. Impossible regardless for that to occur.
 
STG said:
Versus not winning the ACC and simply getting bounced RD 2.

So yes, that means we still make the playoffs, and have an ACC title.

ACC title + RD1 loss to me is better than no ACC title and bounced R2. Both scenarios means we are in the playoffs.

Nowhere did I state I prefer an ACC title and not making the playoffs, versus no ACC title but playoff bound. Impossible regardless for that to occur.
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I asked you if making the playoffs was a failure if we didn’t make the ACC game and you said yes.
 
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i played football from 7 yo through college. I watched my dad coach high level football
all my life His playbook always evolved week-over-week throughout the season. He was always adding to it, and building counter action off perceived tendencies, wrinkles to something he already showed. And he always had an “Ace card” up his sleeve, a new play implemented, especially for big games. I think its also telling we have had a handful of players with break away speed we cant seem
to find value in. Brashard, Chris Johnson, and now Lyle have nooo place on our offense, but all have home run speed. This is high negligence as an OC, that he cant find a role for elite speed out the backfield, or with opportunities from the slot. Coaches kill for those chess pieces. Whatever. SMU is the whole season…and im real worried about that matchup- not talent wise - not body types - but the cerebral game of football. The x and o’s, the game
plan, the ability to adapt. I think Heatherman is a great DC, but even he had his corners play off when we ALL KNEW the quick game was the plan. 😮‍💨 But Dawson, for some reason, i NEVER see a play we run and go “ohhhh sh*t!!”….he never brings you to your feet with creativity. The most i saw this year was a basic jetsweep to Malichi (which worked 🤦🏻‍♂️)…but he has no idea how to put DB and persimeter players in conflict in space and have to make a tackle in open field. Instead, we run into 9-10 bodies between our offensive line and the defenders ….frustrating
 
CANESCANES said:
Not to look ahead to SMU, but Miami better figure out the running game

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SMU has been good at defending the run (top-30 on defensive EPA/rush, yards/rush, rushing success rate allowed). Clemson also one of the worst rushing teams in FBS. Probably better off looking at games when they've played a team that isn't 130th in EPA/rush
 
JZCane0825 said:
I just find it hilariously amusing that 98% of the mouthbreathing mongoloids that comprise the CIS porster base are definitively calling the season lost 6 games in
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Well, how would you define “lost”?
I think not winning the ACC title or at least playing for it and not making the playoffs is a lost season at this point in Mario’s “rebuild”. Would you agree?

With this loss to Louisville we’re on the outside looking in when it comes to the ACC title game and no longer control our own destiny.

First off, we need to win out. The chance of that happening is slim to none IMO. Every ACC game we are in is a dog fight and I no confidence this team and staff are capable of finishing the season without another loss. None.

Second, even if we win the remainder of out ACC games we still might not make it. We’re basically 1 1/2 games behind and are going to need a lot of help. When has that ever worked in our favor? Not many if ever. GT is basically in. They are not losing any ACC games with their schedule. That leaves one spot and I doubt Louisville, Pitt, SMU, Virginia and Duke all lose 2 ACC games.

So where does that leave us? You think they are going to take the 3rd or 4th place ACC team in the playoffs? I highly doubt it.

This loss to Louisville was catastrophic to this teams season IMO. We play in the ACC and unless you win the ACC or at least play for the ACC title and come in 2nd, you’re not making the playoffs. We saw that last year. So I don’t think it’s an over reaction that this loss very likely ruined the entire season, unless you consider being “STATE CHAMPS” over unranked horrible UF and FSU teams that are about to fire their head coaches as some kind of great accomplishment.
 
DubCaliCane said:
Come on, dog, asking for a better atmosphere after that performance is WILD…
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Thats the pro town "Miami" view. Never liked it. Hate it.

At the start of a night home game, those rednecks in the south east blow us out of the water giving them an atmosphere that is almost always electric at least at night. That **** whether it changes (it wont) , whether you like it (i dont care its the truth).

We need more i dont give a **** about nothing but the CANES

In college that atmosphere gets 18, 20 year olds going when they may not have it on their own at the start. You can like it or not like it but hes right

Bottom line in college more than anything an electric crowd can literally give an advantage, or in our case not, worth a drive or points that can swing a close game. Thats why Vegas gives points to the home team. More for places like LSU at night.

@DMoney
 
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RVACane said:
We’re good enough talent-wise to have an undefeated regular season this year.
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Were we though? I am honestly asking too.

I think it was definitely more true once we started 5-0 but I didn't think we were talented enough to go undefeated before the season.

There are areas that have exceeded expectations (Bain, Toney, safety, OL before Friday, maybe CJ Daniels), but there are also plenty of areas that we knew would be iffy (tight end, linebacker, DL depth, true home run hitters) and are iffy.

I think it is easy to say that we are much deeper than Louisville, but they have a first-round skill position player, we do not and while they don't have that on defense, they do have dudes like Clev Lubin and Rene Konga who are grown men in their 5th year of college football.

They obviously aren't more talented than Bain and maybe Mesidor but are Justin Scott or Armondo Blount more "talented" than those guys? Maybe physically, but they definitely aren't better football players...at least right now.

I don't think Louisville's talent is necessarily why we lost this game, so I get it, but I think is a flawed roster in a few ways (no one has ZERO flaws).
 
My biggest gripe with this staff - I knew in the car on the way to HRS we could lose this game, this is the type of game we lose, with the Friday night after work the atmosphere would be a bit flat. If I know that while working a full time job with a family at home in corporate America, how does my $7mil a year head coach not know that and take the opportunity to course correct it. How do you not come onto the field for pre game warmups on this teams *** getting into them and trying to get them right.
 
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JHallCanes said:
All the negatives have already been said a thousand times

I’ll just once again say Malachi Toney is one of the best pure football players I’ve seen here in the last 20 years

People say “generational” all the time with no concept of what it means

He’s basically Duke Johnson playing WR. Undersized and maybe not track speed (though he’s faster than I thought) but every single thing he does on the field is like he was born to play football

He’s also an incredible kid just like Duke

I give some crap about Lofton but @DMoney you were right you undersold how good this kid plays the game

Blessed to have him
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Respectfully I don't think it's a good thing when your true freshman wr is arguably the best player you have on offense.
 
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