Some perspective on this Butch situation and CIS

[Jaromir Jagr]

CF already caused a board split because of Butch Davis once, and he is **** bent on doing it again here.

If you support Butch, you're a "cultist"?

 

[jkaz1]

CF already caused a board split because of Butch Davis once, and he is **** bent on doing it again here.

If you support Butch, you're a "cultist"?

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Please note that this isn't a "rebuild". This isn't 1-11 Stanford. This isn't a decimated roster. This isn't a program under NCAA investigation. This isn't a program with scholarship restrictions.

This is a team with a roster full of future NFL players that has been undercoached on gamedays and is stuck in a conservative, slow, scared team philosophy that doesn't maximize what they can do on the field.

This program doesn't need a guy to rebuild it and to fix a broken roster. It needs a great football coach who takes top talent and maximizes it on the field. Does Butch's past show that he maximizes talent with results on the field? Does his offense get the best out of the type of crazy speed we have down here? John Shoop?

Many of Folden's strengths are similar to Butch's strengths. Butch is better than Folden because Butch is a much better evaluator/developer than Folden. However, when it comes to maximizing talent on the field with results (read: wins not putting players in the NFL) they are pretty equal.

UM doesn't need a "rebuilder" which is really Butch's strength. UM needs a great HC who maximizes talent not minimizes it.

I think you would have to be pretty good at maximizing talent to have 30+ 1st round picks. Nice try though.

LOL. I'm more concerned with wins than draft picks. 30+ 1st round picks and one 10+ win season in 10 years as a college HC. You just made my point. Nice try though, cultist.

They played one less game back then and Butch had three 9 win season in his six years here while on 4 years of probation. You see the problem with your ten win blanket you're throwing out there? Also, you bring up the scandel but you fail to mention it started ten years before Butch got there. He didn't have anything shady going on while he was here.

As for the wins, did you really say Butch was on par with Golden. Butch's teams beat high ranked team while Golden's never came close. Do you have any doubt that if Butch stays two more years, he has two championship rings? Would you be saying this stuff about a two time champion? He was a much better coach than Clappy so that's very easy to see

 

[timepiece]

Please note that this isn't a "rebuild". This isn't 1-11 Stanford. This isn't a decimated roster. This isn't a program under NCAA investigation. This isn't a program with scholarship restrictions.

This is a team with a roster full of future NFL players that has been undercoached on gamedays and is stuck in a conservative, slow, scared team philosophy that doesn't maximize what they can do on the field.

This program doesn't need a guy to rebuild it and to fix a broken roster. It needs a great football coach who takes top talent and maximizes it on the field. Does Butch's past show that he maximizes talent with results on the field? Does his offense get the best out of the type of crazy speed we have down here? John Shoop?

Many of Folden's strengths are similar to Butch's strengths. Butch is better than Folden because Butch is a much better evaluator/developer than Folden. However, when it comes to maximizing talent on the field with results (read: wins not putting players in the NFL) they are pretty equal.

UM doesn't need a "rebuilder" which is really Butch's strength. UM needs a great HC who maximizes talent not minimizes it.

I think you would have to be pretty good at maximizing talent to have 30+ 1st round picks. Nice try though.

LOL. I'm more concerned with wins than draft picks. 30+ 1st round picks and one 10+ win season in 10 years as a college HC. You just made my point. Nice try though, cultist.

Cultist or slurper/s.. I'm all for Butch if no one else wants the job but I want Miami to make an effort for a coach like Briles or Patterson.. Coaches that don't need 10+ draft picks on a squad to wreck college football every year especially when you have a **** ton of south florida players to recruit vs those "soft-overrated" tx boys those two coaches are working with.

 

[TheRathskeller]

Shut up, Broke.

 

[Gatorhater]

So we finally get rid of Golden and there is no more slurper vs mopers. We are all happy for a week or 2. Now it's becoming a Butch vs anti Butch thing.

For those who don't want Butch, I can understand your frustration with the Butch love as it is all over the board right now. I am a huge supporter of hiring Butch again and even I recognize it's a bit much at times how many threads are about Butch.

With that said, I see guys getting really carried away in desperation to downplay Butch. You guys will spout off all kinds of stats, but ignore all the important factors that don't show up on the stats sheet.

-People point out the players Butch had, but that was over a 6 year period and he was dealing with one of the worst sanctions in college football history. Just shy of the death penalty and he still maintained mostly 9 win season and got screwed out of title game. Keep in mind this was his first ever HC position, so yes, he made mistakes. **** happens. How many other coaches can say they were able to accomplish this? Someone tell me how great SMU, USC, or Alabama was after their penalties.

-At UNC he took over a 3 win team. He was the bottom of the barrel team looking up. He was not pulling a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits in year 1 and 2. People act like good coaches just make bad teams into stars right away. It took Harbaugh 4 years to make Stanford good. Butch got hit with sanctions in year 4 with a team that was loaded and developed by him. Most high school kids do not come in ready to dominate on day 1.

He was also a coordinator/ assistant for multiple championship and super bowl teams.

I'm not trying to say Butch his better than Saban, especially since their career paths have been too different, but when we got guys calling him a bum and garbage, especially after what he accomplished here, it's a little ridiculous. This is not about Butch love. The guy built one of the greatest college teams ever and he did it for the U. Let's show this man a little more respect than he's trash. None of us love Urban or Saban, but you truly believe they deserve more respect from canes than Butch? If that's the case, you ain't a real fan or you're a scorned woman and please go follow those coaches.

Great Post... There are a lot of great coaches out there that could rebuild the program, but I favor Butch cause we all have seen him rebuild UM once before. The chances of a repeat performance is slim... but my money has to go with someone who has done it before. I think the up and coming coaches may have what it takes to do the same... but their buy outs and the competition for the service will boil down to dollars and cents and currently UM can't afford a price war... and why even go that route when there is someone out there we can afford... and who has already done it once before... Pull the trigger now and put him to work on this recruiting class. I think Butch can hold or even build on the 2016 class... I have never been Anti-Golden and have taking personal attacks because of that... I don't think Butch is a God and he would probably appreciate that... but bottom line He has been there done that.. and he is responsible for a couple of rings in the trophy case. We all regardless of your choice want to see additions to our collection.

Why go through a full and thorough search????????? Why go through the motions???

This is the thinking that people are rejecting. If we identify a better candidate than Butch, we need to do everything in our power to get that coach. If negotiations with said coach doesn't work out, you move on to the next most qualified candidate. Keep going and being told no until u end up at Butch. That is the only way to do this that makes any sense.

That presupposes there is a better candidate and that we should only "settle" for Butch if everyone else turns us down AGAIN. I never thought Butch was a good enough game-day coach. However, that is just a portion of what a coach is. People like this coach or that coach for various reasons, usually because, it seems, they like the style of offense he brings. Fine. If you notice however, the most successful, meaning winning NCs, coaches spend more time on recruiting than anything else. Why? Because talent matters. Everyone ASSUMES any hot coach they like with a fancy offense will "kill it" with So Fl talent. Even if that assumption is correct, the question remains, will they get that talent. Larry, Randy, Golden all PROVED being at THE U does not equate to getting all the SO FL talent. Butch proved as an assistant and as a HC that he can get that talent better than anyone else. And remember, if he gets the talent, other maybe better coaches are deprived of that same talent. Maybe Jimbo is a better coach than Butch, but does Jimbo beat Butch when Cook is on the other side of the field? For those reasons alone, he is the only man for the job at this time.

 

[travis]

Please note that this isn't a "rebuild". This isn't 1-11 Stanford. This isn't a decimated roster. This isn't a program under NCAA investigation. This isn't a program with scholarship restrictions.

This is a team with a roster full of future NFL players that has been undercoached on gamedays and is stuck in a conservative, slow, scared team philosophy that doesn't maximize what they can do on the field.

This program doesn't need a guy to rebuild it and to fix a broken roster. It needs a great football coach who takes top talent and maximizes it on the field. Does Butch's past show that he maximizes talent with results on the field? Does his offense get the best out of the type of crazy speed we have down here? John Shoop?

Many of Folden's strengths are similar to Butch's strengths. Butch is better than Folden because Butch is a much better evaluator/developer than Folden. However, when it comes to maximizing talent on the field with results (read: wins not putting players in the NFL) they are pretty equal.

UM doesn't need a "rebuilder" which is really Butch's strength. UM needs a great HC who maximizes talent not minimizes it.

I think you would have to be pretty good at maximizing talent to have 30+ 1st round picks. Nice try though.

LOL. I'm more concerned with wins than draft picks. 30+ 1st round picks and one 10+ win season in 10 years as a college HC. You just made my point. Nice try though, cultist.

ehh 9 wins was pretty good back then

 

[Cribby]

Claims to sympathize with those sick of the proliferation of Butch cult threads extolling his virtues, claiming he's better than Saban and ignoring his many flaws. Then posts a diatribe rehashing the same stuff the cult has attempted to indoctrinate us with daily and restates the multifold excuses as to why their leader lost so many football games with rosters stacked with NFL players.

Listen, friend. Most rational people understand that Butch has some great strengths. We have acknowledged those repeatedly. However, we have paid close attention to every year of his career and still don't think he walks on water. You're not going to convince anyone who has studied him as closely as some of us have that he doesn't have some major major flaws in his game. So just give it up, friend.

This.

 

[The Franchise]

The thing about getting Butch that is even more appealing if that's possible than the other coaches is that you don't have to overpay to get him. Which would give Miami the ability to pay for top of the line assistant coaches and coordinators resulting in elite coaching which Miami needs the most right now

Stop with this nonsense, broke. Miami ain't broke, broke. If they hire a big time HC they know he's going to come with big time demands for support. You don't hire a $4M HC and think he's going to bring $50 assistants. We can pay what we need to pay to compete.

 

[The Franchise]

Please note that this isn't a "rebuild". This isn't 1-11 Stanford. This isn't a decimated roster. This isn't a program under NCAA investigation. This isn't a program with scholarship restrictions.

This is a team with a roster full of future NFL players that has been undercoached on gamedays and is stuck in a conservative, slow, scared team philosophy that doesn't maximize what they can do on the field.

This program doesn't need a guy to rebuild it and to fix a broken roster. It needs a great football coach who takes top talent and maximizes it on the field. Does Butch's past show that he maximizes talent with results on the field? Does his offense get the best out of the type of crazy speed we have down here? John Shoop?

Many of Folden's strengths are similar to Butch's strengths. Butch is better than Folden because Butch is a much better evaluator/developer than Folden. However, when it comes to maximizing talent on the field with results (read: wins not putting players in the NFL) they are pretty equal.

UM doesn't need a "rebuilder" which is really Butch's strength. UM needs a great HC who maximizes talent not minimizes it.

I think you would have to be pretty good at maximizing talent to have 30+ 1st round picks. Nice try though.

LOL. I'm more concerned with wins than draft picks. 30+ 1st round picks and one 10+ win season in 10 years as a college HC. You just made my point. Nice try though, cultist.

ehh 9 wins was pretty good back then

Ehh not at Miami.

 

[mydas77]

So we finally get rid of Golden and there is no more slurper vs mopers. We are all happy for a week or 2. Now it's becoming a Butch vs anti Butch thing.

For those who don't want Butch, I can understand your frustration with the Butch love as it is all over the board right now. I am a huge supporter of hiring Butch again and even I recognize it's a bit much at times how many threads are about Butch.

With that said, I see guys getting really carried away in desperation to downplay Butch. You guys will spout off all kinds of stats, but ignore all the important factors that don't show up on the stats sheet.

-People point out the players Butch had, but that was over a 6 year period and he was dealing with one of the worst sanctions in college football history. Just shy of the death penalty and he still maintained mostly 9 win season and got screwed out of title game. Keep in mind this was his first ever HC position, so yes, he made mistakes. **** happens. How many other coaches can say they were able to accomplish this? Someone tell me how great SMU, USC, or Alabama was after their penalties.

-At UNC he took over a 3 win team. He was the bottom of the barrel team looking up. He was not pulling a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits in year 1 and 2. People act like good coaches just make bad teams into stars right away. It took Harbaugh 4 years to make Stanford good. Butch got hit with sanctions in year 4 with a team that was loaded and developed by him. Most high school kids do not come in ready to dominate on day 1.

He was also a coordinator/ assistant for multiple championship and super bowl teams.

I'm not trying to say Butch his better than Saban, especially since their career paths have been too different, but when we got guys calling him a bum and garbage, especially after what he accomplished here, it's a little ridiculous. This is not about Butch love. The guy built one of the greatest college teams ever and he did it for the U. Let's show this man a little more respect than he's trash. None of us love Urban or Saban, but you truly believe they deserve more respect from canes than Butch? If that's the case, you ain't a real fan or you're a scorned woman and please go follow those coaches.

Great Post... There are a lot of great coaches out there that could rebuild the program, but I favor Butch cause we all have seen him rebuild UM once before. The chances of a repeat performance is slim... but my money has to go with someone who has done it before. I think the up and coming coaches may have what it takes to do the same... but their buy outs and the competition for the service will boil down to dollars and cents and currently UM can't afford a price war... and why even go that route when there is someone out there we can afford... and who has already done it once before... Pull the trigger now and put him to work on this recruiting class. I think Butch can hold or even build on the 2016 class... I have never been Anti-Golden and have taking personal attacks because of that... I don't think Butch is a God and he would probably appreciate that... but bottom line He has been there done that.. and he is responsible for a couple of rings in the trophy case. We all regardless of your choice want to see additions to our collection.

Why go through a full and thorough search????????? Why go through the motions???

This is the thinking that people are rejecting. If we identify a better candidate than Butch, we need to do everything in our power to get that coach. If negotiations with said coach doesn't work out, you move on to the next most qualified candidate. Keep going and being told no until u end up at Butch. That is the only way to do this that makes any sense.

That presupposes there is a better candidate and that we should only "settle" for Butch if everyone else turns us down AGAIN. I never thought Butch was a good enough game-day coach. However, that is just a portion of what a coach is. People like this coach or that coach for various reasons, usually because, it seems, they like the style of offense he brings. Fine. If you notice however, the most successful, meaning winning NCs, coaches spend more time on recruiting than anything else. Why? Because talent matters. Everyone ASSUMES any hot coach they like with a fancy offense will "kill it" with So Fl talent. Even if that assumption is correct, the question remains, will they get that talent. Larry, Randy, Golden all PROVED being at THE U does not equate to getting all the SO FL talent. Butch proved as an assistant and as a HC that he can get that talent better than anyone else. And remember, if he gets the talent, other maybe better coaches are deprived of that same talent. Maybe Jimbo is a better coach than Butch, but does Jimbo beat Butch when Cook is on the other side of the field? For those reasons alone, he is the only man for the job at this time.

Bro, I agree with you that if Butch is the number one candidate, after careful evaluation, you make the offer. I am, however, floored by the suggestion that coaching and scheme is secondary to talent acquisition. After 5 years of No D, I am blown away that anyone can think that talent trumps all.

In today's game scheme and talent acquisition are at best equally important.

 

[MedleyCane]

Please note that this isn't a "rebuild". This isn't 1-11 Stanford. This isn't a decimated roster. This isn't a program under NCAA investigation. This isn't a program with scholarship restrictions.

This is a team with a roster full of future NFL players that has been undercoached on gamedays and is stuck in a conservative, slow, scared team philosophy that doesn't maximize what they can do on the field.

This program doesn't need a guy to rebuild it and to fix a broken roster. It needs a great football coach who takes top talent and maximizes it on the field. Does Butch's past show that he maximizes talent with results on the field? Does his offense get the best out of the type of crazy speed we have down here? John Shoop?

Many of Folden's strengths are similar to Butch's strengths. Butch is better than Folden because Butch is a much better evaluator/developer than Folden. However, when it comes to maximizing talent on the field with results (read: wins not putting players in the NFL) they are pretty equal.

UM doesn't need a "rebuilder" which is really Butch's strength. UM needs a great HC who maximizes talent not minimizes it.

I think you would have to be pretty good at maximizing talent to have 30+ 1st round picks. Nice try though.

LOL. I'm more concerned with wins than draft picks. 30+ 1st round picks and one 10+ win season in 10 years as a college HC. You just made my point. Nice try though, cultist.

ehh 9 wins was pretty good back then

Ehh not at Miami.

Don't waste your time with that ghay-****.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

So we finally get rid of Golden and there is no more slurper vs mopers. We are all happy for a week or 2. Now it's becoming a Butch vs anti Butch thing.

For those who don't want Butch, I can understand your frustration with the Butch love as it is all over the board right now. I am a huge supporter of hiring Butch again and even I recognize it's a bit much at times how many threads are about Butch.

With that said, I see guys getting really carried away in desperation to downplay Butch. You guys will spout off all kinds of stats, but ignore all the important factors that don't show up on the stats sheet.

-People point out the players Butch had, but that was over a 6 year period and he was dealing with one of the worst sanctions in college football history. Just shy of the death penalty and he still maintained mostly 9 win season and got screwed out of title game. Keep in mind this was his first ever HC position, so yes, he made mistakes. **** happens. How many other coaches can say they were able to accomplish this? Someone tell me how great SMU, USC, or Alabama was after their penalties.

-At UNC he took over a 3 win team. He was the bottom of the barrel team looking up. He was not pulling a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits in year 1 and 2. People act like good coaches just make bad teams into stars right away. It took Harbaugh 4 years to make Stanford good. Butch got hit with sanctions in year 4 with a team that was loaded and developed by him. Most high school kids do not come in ready to dominate on day 1.

He was also a coordinator/ assistant for multiple championship and super bowl teams.

I'm not trying to say Butch his better than Saban, especially since their career paths have been too different, but when we got guys calling him a bum and garbage, especially after what he accomplished here, it's a little ridiculous. This is not about Butch love. The guy built one of the greatest college teams ever and he did it for the U. Let's show this man a little more respect than he's trash. None of us love Urban or Saban, but you truly believe they deserve more respect from canes than Butch? If that's the case, you ain't a real fan or you're a scorned woman and please go follow those coaches.

Great Post... There are a lot of great coaches out there that could rebuild the program, but I favor Butch cause we all have seen him rebuild UM once before. The chances of a repeat performance is slim... but my money has to go with someone who has done it before. I think the up and coming coaches may have what it takes to do the same... but their buy outs and the competition for the service will boil down to dollars and cents and currently UM can't afford a price war... and why even go that route when there is someone out there we can afford... and who has already done it once before... Pull the trigger now and put him to work on this recruiting class. I think Butch can hold or even build on the 2016 class... I have never been Anti-Golden and have taking personal attacks because of that... I don't think Butch is a God and he would probably appreciate that... but bottom line He has been there done that.. and he is responsible for a couple of rings in the trophy case. We all regardless of your choice want to see additions to our collection.

Why go through a full and thorough search????????? Why go through the motions???

This is the thinking that people are rejecting. If we identify a better candidate than Butch, we need to do everything in our power to get that coach. If negotiations with said coach doesn't work out, you move on to the next most qualified candidate. Keep going and being told no until u end up at Butch. That is the only way to do this that makes any sense.

That presupposes there is a better candidate and that we should only "settle" for Butch if everyone else turns us down AGAIN. I never thought Butch was a good enough game-day coach. However, that is just a portion of what a coach is. People like this coach or that coach for various reasons, usually because, it seems, they like the style of offense he brings. Fine. If you notice however, the most successful, meaning winning NCs, coaches spend more time on recruiting than anything else. Why? Because talent matters. Everyone ASSUMES any hot coach they like with a fancy offense will "kill it" with So Fl talent. Even if that assumption is correct, the question remains, will they get that talent. Larry, Randy, Golden all PROVED being at THE U does not equate to getting all the SO FL talent. Butch proved as an assistant and as a HC that he can get that talent better than anyone else. And remember, if he gets the talent, other maybe better coaches are deprived of that same talent. Maybe Jimbo is a better coach than Butch, but does Jimbo beat Butch when Cook is on the other side of the field? For those reasons alone, he is the only man for the job at this time.

Bro, I agree with you that if Butch is the number one candidate, after careful evaluation, you make the offer. I am, however, floored by the suggestion that coaching and scheme is secondary to talent acquisition. After 5 years of No D, I am blown away that anyone can think that talent trumps all.

In today's game scheme and talent acquisition are at best equally important.

Talent acquisition is one thing. Butcher's schemes are simple enough not to hurt the team like NoD's. However, what Butch is best at is talent development. Something this program hasn't had since he left. He's like Saban in the fact that he'll never outscheme any team but he'll recruit studs and coach the **** out of them. Once they are on the field you trust the players to punch them in the mouth not the scheme

 

[duke4heisman]

So we finally get rid of Golden and there is no more slurper vs mopers. We are all happy for a week or 2. Now it's becoming a Butch vs anti Butch thing.

For those who don't want Butch, I can understand your frustration with the Butch love as it is all over the board right now. I am a huge supporter of hiring Butch again and even I recognize it's a bit much at times how many threads are about Butch.

With that said, I see guys getting really carried away in desperation to downplay Butch. You guys will spout off all kinds of stats, but ignore all the important factors that don't show up on the stats sheet.

-People point out the players Butch had, but that was over a 6 year period and he was dealing with one of the worst sanctions in college football history. Just shy of the death penalty and he still maintained mostly 9 win season and got screwed out of title game. Keep in mind this was his first ever HC position, so yes, he made mistakes. **** happens. How many other coaches can say they were able to accomplish this? Someone tell me how great SMU, USC, or Alabama was after their penalties.

-At UNC he took over a 3 win team. He was the bottom of the barrel team looking up. He was not pulling a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits in year 1 and 2. People act like good coaches just make bad teams into stars right away. It took Harbaugh 4 years to make Stanford good. Butch got hit with sanctions in year 4 with a team that was loaded and developed by him. Most high school kids do not come in ready to dominate on day 1.

He was also a coordinator/ assistant for multiple championship and super bowl teams.

I'm not trying to say Butch his better than Saban, especially since their career paths have been too different, but when we got guys calling him a bum and garbage, especially after what he accomplished here, it's a little ridiculous. This is not about Butch love. The guy built one of the greatest college teams ever and he did it for the U. Let's show this man a little more respect than he's trash. None of us love Urban or Saban, but you truly believe they deserve more respect from canes than Butch? If that's the case, you ain't a real fan or you're a scorned woman and please go follow those coaches.

Great Post... There are a lot of great coaches out there that could rebuild the program, but I favor Butch cause we all have seen him rebuild UM once before. The chances of a repeat performance is slim... but my money has to go with someone who has done it before. I think the up and coming coaches may have what it takes to do the same... but their buy outs and the competition for the service will boil down to dollars and cents and currently UM can't afford a price war... and why even go that route when there is someone out there we can afford... and who has already done it once before... Pull the trigger now and put him to work on this recruiting class. I think Butch can hold or even build on the 2016 class... I have never been Anti-Golden and have taking personal attacks because of that... I don't think Butch is a God and he would probably appreciate that... but bottom line He has been there done that.. and he is responsible for a couple of rings in the trophy case. We all regardless of your choice want to see additions to our collection.

Why go through a full and thorough search????????? Why go through the motions???

This is the thinking that people are rejecting. If we identify a better candidate than Butch, we need to do everything in our power to get that coach. If negotiations with said coach doesn't work out, you move on to the next most qualified candidate. Keep going and being told no until u end up at Butch. That is the only way to do this that makes any sense.

That presupposes there is a better candidate and that we should only "settle" for Butch if everyone else turns us down AGAIN. I never thought Butch was a good enough game-day coach. However, that is just a portion of what a coach is. People like this coach or that coach for various reasons, usually because, it seems, they like the style of offense he brings. Fine. If you notice however, the most successful, meaning winning NCs, coaches spend more time on recruiting than anything else. Why? Because talent matters. Everyone ASSUMES any hot coach they like with a fancy offense will "kill it" with So Fl talent. Even if that assumption is correct, the question remains, will they get that talent. Larry, Randy, Golden all PROVED being at THE U does not equate to getting all the SO FL talent. Butch proved as an assistant and as a HC that he can get that talent better than anyone else. And remember, if he gets the talent, other maybe better coaches are deprived of that same talent. Maybe Jimbo is a better coach than Butch, but does Jimbo beat Butch when Cook is on the other side of the field? For those reasons alone, he is the only man for the job at this time.

Great perspective and spot on.

 

[deleted3746]

Butch built the greatest team ever. When was that exactly? Not 2 years ago, not 5 years ago, not 10 years ago, over 15 years ago.

Why did he underachieve at UNC? He had some talent there and still managed to go 15-17 in the ACC.

Imagine Butch on the recruiting trail in 2016 telling kids...hey son, when you were 2 years old, I beat UF 37-20 in the Sugar Bowl. Before you were born, I put together the greatest team ever assembled. When you were 9, I went 15-17 in ACC games at UNC.

If Butch was this football God many on this site and the wEz claim him to be, he would've had some success at UNC but he didn't. He'd have a NC as a head coach but he doesn't.

One of the greatest coRches of all time, Charlie Weis, has the same number of 10+ win seasons as the great Butch Davis.

Continue on with this silly circle jerk over a coach that hasn't had any success in college football since 2001.

 

[duke4heisman]

Butch built the greatest team ever. When was that exactly? Not 2 years ago, not 5 years ago, not 10 years ago, over 15 years ago.

Why did he underachieve at UNC? He had some talent there and still managed to go 15-17 in the ACC.

Imagine Butch on the recruiting trail in 2016 telling kids...hey son, when you were 2 years old, I beat UF 37-20 in the Sugar Bowl. Before you were born, I put together the greatest team ever assembled. When you were 9, I went 15-17 in ACC games at UNC.

If Butch was this football God many on this site and the wEz claim him to be, he would've had some success at UNC but he didn't. He'd have a NC as a head coach but he doesn't.

One of the greatest coRches of all time, Charlie Weis, has the same number of 10+ win seasons as the great Butch Davis.

Continue on with this silly circle jerk over a coach that hasn't had any success in college football since 2001.

2000? 2001? 2002? **** sure wasn't Clappy. All after near death penalty type sanctions. Give it up, troll

 

[HarrietTubmanCane]

Stop *****in Franchise, u make good points then get too emotional trying to prove others. Talent acquisition is not more important than scheme and development, at best equal as previously stated. Butch is best for the job right now, but we should do an honest search.
Anyone who never became anti-Golden during his tenure is a str8 man-worshipper and that's just admitting that U stop understanding and/or caring about what UM football is and should look like. If U didn't become incensed about the product put out there by him at any point, then U must have apostated for his "process". Thus, your opinion on a new coach is invalid.

 

[Gatorhater]

Great Post... There are a lot of great coaches out there that could rebuild the program, but I favor Butch cause we all have seen him rebuild UM once before. The chances of a repeat performance is slim... but my money has to go with someone who has done it before. I think the up and coming coaches may have what it takes to do the same... but their buy outs and the competition for the service will boil down to dollars and cents and currently UM can't afford a price war... and why even go that route when there is someone out there we can afford... and who has already done it once before... Pull the trigger now and put him to work on this recruiting class. I think Butch can hold or even build on the 2016 class... I have never been Anti-Golden and have taking personal attacks because of that... I don't think Butch is a God and he would probably appreciate that... but bottom line He has been there done that.. and he is responsible for a couple of rings in the trophy case. We all regardless of your choice want to see additions to our collection.

Why go through a full and thorough search????????? Why go through the motions???

This is the thinking that people are rejecting. If we identify a better candidate than Butch, we need to do everything in our power to get that coach. If negotiations with said coach doesn't work out, you move on to the next most qualified candidate. Keep going and being told no until u end up at Butch. That is the only way to do this that makes any sense.

That presupposes there is a better candidate and that we should only "settle" for Butch if everyone else turns us down AGAIN. I never thought Butch was a good enough game-day coach. However, that is just a portion of what a coach is. People like this coach or that coach for various reasons, usually because, it seems, they like the style of offense he brings. Fine. If you notice however, the most successful, meaning winning NCs, coaches spend more time on recruiting than anything else. Why? Because talent matters. Everyone ASSUMES any hot coach they like with a fancy offense will "kill it" with So Fl talent. Even if that assumption is correct, the question remains, will they get that talent. Larry, Randy, Golden all PROVED being at THE U does not equate to getting all the SO FL talent. Butch proved as an assistant and as a HC that he can get that talent better than anyone else. And remember, if he gets the talent, other maybe better coaches are deprived of that same talent. Maybe Jimbo is a better coach than Butch, but does Jimbo beat Butch when Cook is on the other side of the field? For those reasons alone, he is the only man for the job at this time.

Bro, I agree with you that if Butch is the number one candidate, after careful evaluation, you make the offer. I am, however, floored by the suggestion that coaching and scheme is secondary to talent acquisition. After 5 years of No D, I am blown away that anyone can think that talent trumps all.

In today's game scheme and talent acquisition are at best equally important.

Talent acquisition is one thing. Butcher's schemes are simple enough not to hurt the team like NoD's. However, what Butch is best at is talent development. Something this program hasn't had since he left. He's like Saban in the fact that he'll never outscheme any team but he'll recruit studs and coach the **** out of them. Once they are on the field you trust the players to punch them in the mouth not the scheme

I am SOOOOOO GOOOOOOOD with just that. Well said. But prepare for the non-butch zealots to attack you for comparing him to Saban.

 

[miamimike]

It's also hilarious how the cult is trying to make Butch seem like an innocent victim with the 13 suspensions at UNC prior to the 2010 season.

Please help me understand how Butch was the innocent victim there. Butch hires a DL coach, who was known across college football as Black Santa. He wasn't Black Santa because he hailed from the North Pole. He was a bag man. Known by anyone who followed college football as dirty.

So, Butch hires a dirty bag man. Said dirty bag man does his dirty bag man thing and is involved with an agent Gary Wichard. Same agent gets involved with a bunch of players throwing lavish parties and handing out gifts. Players get suspended for dirty dealings.

This isn't long standing academic fraud that predated Butch's arrival at UNC. This is dirty dealing with an agent directly linked to the filthy bag man you hired to get players for you.

I'll guarantee you this: If that was Folden who did that same thing at UM this year or last year, all you same cult members making excuses for Davis would have been calling for UM to fire Folden for cause for those dirty dealings.

I'm so sick of this **** show. 12 years of complete ****. To the point of fans like us rooting for Canes to lose. That is a deep dark place I never thought I could fall too. At this point Chise I don't care if he is the Night Stalker. I don't care about GPA's or graduation rates or arrests or ******* bag men(who I'm sure most programs have) I want wins, rings and 1st round draft picks!
I agree with most of your posts over the years but your distinction between building and maximizing is complete ****. With all due respect. Butch took on 3 terrible situations and IMO succeeded in all three. Can that be debated yes.
I want somebody who is dying to be here. Are there better coaches out there? Maybe. Are there better coaches out there with equal desire to be here with an equal résumé? I doubt it. He clearly knows what Miami is about. Been there done that ....but....not quite all the way. His motivation is a Championship and restoring the program. That's it. Not money not NFL not fame. A little ego I'm sure but his motives are clear. No other candidates can you say that about.
I get your whole point about getting best coach and not rushing this decision. I don't trust the people making the decision. Why would I? I know what we are getting with Butch. If our administration will back him with money for OC and DC then do this thing today. Several obvious benefits to acting decisively. If it's Butch we should announce it after we get our clock cleaned today. Keep it simple stupid.

 

[HarrietTubmanCane]

Golden slurpers have repurposed themselves. Are there too many Butch posts...yes. Should a Canes fan be ****ed about it and ready to insult him to counteract it...no. I wonder if other programs have double agents in their fanbases as well. It's one thing to disagree about Butch--and I've heard some good reasons to, but to be angry with other fans for being excited about the coach who last made them proud to be a Canes fan is ridiculous