Soccer stadium

[Consigliere]

The greater the perceived difference between butts in the seats and announced attendance, the more significant tickets sales are. Schools cannot count any ticket sold for less than 1/3 the face value of the highest regular established price for any ticket in attendance numbers unless that ticket holder actually attends the game. In other words, schools can count ticket sales in their attendance figures as long as the ticket price meets that requirement. If the ticket does not, then the holder of the ticket must actually attend the game in order to be counted in attendance numbers. Unless UM has changed its student fees, students can only be counted in attendance if they actually attend the games. If members of the band meet the student requirements, then they can be counted in attendance. Cheerleaders, athletes, and any students working in any other capacity at the stadium cannot be counted in attendance.

Look at the Wake game - the announced attendance was 66,160. In order for individuals to be counted in that number, they had to either purchase a ticket that meets the 1/3 requirement (and either go or not go), or get a ticket not meeting the requirement and actually go and be counted. If the stadium looked empty, and the consensus seems to be that it was, all of those no-shows counted in the attendance number were tickets sold at a face value that meets the NCAA bylaw rule. If there were 40,000 no shows, every one of them was a ticket sold by the ticket office. That's revenue.

I am not going to argue with you about what counts and what doesn't count for the attendance.

Two questions though:

1. How much money can you make off concessions/parking if a person who buys a legit ticket sale (According to the above) doesn't go to the game and doesn't give the ticket to someone else?

Someone who ACTUALLY attends the game can ACTUALLY spend money on concessions and parking. In turn, this ACTUALLY benefits UM more than this no-show moron who buys a ticket at doesn't attend (in fact no one attends).

2. What happens if we could make more revenue because we can actually raise prices per ticket due to the lack of supply? What is better, making $5,000,000.00 per game in an empty stadium or $7,500,000.00 in a full stadium?

 

[Dingaan1828]

What were employees being charged for tickets to the Wake game?

A couple of years ago, Eastern Michigan more than tripled their attendance from about 5K to 15K (5 home games) by having Pepsi buy 50K tickets at $3 each. So, their paid attendance took a monster jump, but revenue increased only slightly.

Trying to determine real attendance is just engaging in a shell game. Unless schools report turnstile numbers and ticket revenue, you're left grasping at air.

 

[Consigliere]

What were employees being charged for tickets to the Wake game?

A couple of years ago, Eastern Michigan more than tripled their attendance from about 5K to 15K (5 home games) by having Pepsi buy 50K tickets at $3 each. So, their paid attendance took a monster jump, but revenue increased only slightly.

Trying to determine real attendance is just engaging in a shell game. Unless schools report turnstile numbers and ticket revenue, you're left grasping at air.

It doesn't matter what the school reports as attendance. What matters is (1) are we maximizing our revenue and (2) does the stadium feel like we have home-field advantage.

 

[OldhamA]

Are people getting excited just because a smaller stadium will look better on TV? Sounds like another excuse not to attend games to me.

I like the idea because it will be crazy loud, full, and it won't feel like we're playing the game in an enormous warehouse.

Well, the capacity will be smaller so it won't really be "loud" since the same or fewer people will attend. Also, since it needs to accommodate soccer, the seats will be no where near the sidelines so that problem remains. "Crazy loud" games will be the game 70K+ will attend and obviously we would need to relocate to Sun Life for them.
I understand the elimination of the nosebleeds, but kiss them cheap stub hub tix good bye. Wake Forest game had DOLLAR tickets.

American Football sidelines dictate that the field is further away from the stands than 'soccer' sidelines......so I don't quite understand your first point.

 

[TheEye]

Are people getting excited just because a smaller stadium will look better on TV? Sounds like another excuse not to attend games to me.

I like the idea because it will be crazy loud, full, and it won't feel like we're playing the game in an enormous warehouse.

Well, the capacity will be smaller so it won't really be "loud" since the same or fewer people will attend. Also, since it needs to accommodate soccer, the seats will be no where near the sidelines so that problem remains. "Crazy loud" games will be the game 70K+ will attend and obviously we would need to relocate to Sun Life for them.
I understand the elimination of the nosebleeds, but kiss them cheap stub hub tix good bye. Wake Forest game had DOLLAR tickets.

American Football sidelines dictate that the field is further away from the stands than 'soccer' sidelines......so I don't quite understand your first point.

The dimensions of field play alter when you change the games.

 

[itsacanething]

Are people getting excited just because a smaller stadium will look better on TV? Sounds like another excuse not to attend games to me.

I like the idea because it will be crazy loud, full, and it won't feel like we're playing the game in an enormous warehouse.

Well, the capacity will be smaller so it won't really be "loud" since the same or fewer people will attend. Also, since it needs to accommodate soccer, the seats will be no where near the sidelines so that problem remains. "Crazy loud" games will be the game 70K+ will attend and obviously we would need to relocate to Sun Life for them.
I understand the elimination of the nosebleeds, but kiss them cheap stub hub tix good bye. Wake Forest game had DOLLAR tickets.

American Football sidelines dictate that the field is further away from the stands than 'soccer' sidelines......so I don't quite understand your first point.

The dimensions of field play alter when you change the games.

the field of play has to be about 22 yards wider for soccer. that is 11 yards each sideline or 33 feet for those of you who are math challenged. 33 feet is quite a lot of space but they do play soccer in gilette stadium so it doesn't have to be as far away as dolphin stadium is.

 

[Cane7451]

Exactly!

Stanford had the same situation with their 80K stadium. They downsized to 50K, mad rush for season tickets,because nobody wanted to be left out And, it provides much better gameday atmosphere

If you reduce supply, you can increase price. And though we have a lot of fairweather fans, the ones that are dedicated are REALLY die hard. You could sell tickets for a lot more if there is always a good change of a sell out.

Great then lets bring in enough aluminum erector set benches to Cobb Field for 20K and we will have a stadium on campus finally that UM owns. Then we can charge what ever we want. The best part is we don't have to play on that underwear model's soccer field that will make us the laughing stock of college football. I don't want our team playing on a girly boy's soccer field since the noles and gators would kill us with in recruiting. You can defend playing on a NFL field but there is no chance of defending playing on a soccer teams field.

Still waiting for you to show that we net $5 million in parking revenue.

He ain't gonna show nothing. His soccer coach once touched him in a way that made him uncomfortable, and now he's mortally afraid of us sharing a stadium with a soccer team, so he's pulling a bunch of stuff outta his *** and telling us it's gospel.

LOL I bet you told your soccer coach how much you loved him to touch your tiny johnson. Soccer isn't anymore of a sport than cross country. Watching soccer is like watching fish in an Aquarium swim from one side of the tank to the other and nothing every happens.

 

[Cane7451]

I like the idea because it will be crazy loud, full, and it won't feel like we're playing the game in an enormous warehouse.

Well, the capacity will be smaller so it won't really be "loud" since the same or fewer people will attend. Also, since it needs to accommodate soccer, the seats will be no where near the sidelines so that problem remains. "Crazy loud" games will be the game 70K+ will attend and obviously we would need to relocate to Sun Life for them.
I understand the elimination of the nosebleeds, but kiss them cheap stub hub tix good bye. Wake Forest game had DOLLAR tickets.

American Football sidelines dictate that the field is further away from the stands than 'soccer' sidelines......so I don't quite understand your first point.

The dimensions of field play alter when you change the games.

the field of play has to be about 22 yards wider for soccer. that is 11 yards each sideline or 33 feet for those of you who are math challenged. 33 feet is quite a lot of space but they do play soccer in gilette stadium so it doesn't have to be as far away as dolphin stadium is.

This is what the side line view will look like for football in a MLS stadium. This is football played on Real Salt Lake at Rio Tinto Stadium


This is just as bad as the side line view at SLS which is the major problem I have with playing at SLS is the gap between the sidelines and the playing field. Forget about getting a lot of fan noise there especially is a smaller stadium that is open on one or both ends.

 

[AntwanJ306]

If you reduce supply, you can increase price. And though we have a lot of fairweather fans, the ones that are dedicated are REALLY die hard. You could sell tickets for a lot more if there is always a good change of a sell out.

Great then lets bring in enough aluminum erector set benches to Cobb Field for 20K and we will have a stadium on campus finally that UM owns. Then we can charge what ever we want. The best part is we don't have to play on that underwear model's soccer field that will make us the laughing stock of college football. I don't want our team playing on a girly boy's soccer field since the noles and gators would kill us with in recruiting. You can defend playing on a NFL field but there is no chance of defending playing on a soccer teams field.

Still waiting for you to show that we net $5 million in parking revenue.

He ain't gonna show nothing. His soccer coach once touched him in a way that made him uncomfortable, and now he's mortally afraid of us sharing a stadium with a soccer team, so he's pulling a bunch of stuff outta his *** and telling us it's gospel.

LOL I bet you told your soccer coach how much you loved him to touch your tiny johnson. Soccer isn't anymore of a sport than cross country. Watching soccer is like watching fish in an Aquarium swim from one side of the tank to the other and nothing every happens.

Naturally, though, you still ignored the question about that $5 million that you think we make from parking.

 

[Cane7451]

Great then lets bring in enough aluminum erector set benches to Cobb Field for 20K and we will have a stadium on campus finally that UM owns. Then we can charge what ever we want. The best part is we don't have to play on that underwear model's soccer field that will make us the laughing stock of college football. I don't want our team playing on a girly boy's soccer field since the noles and gators would kill us with in recruiting. You can defend playing on a NFL field but there is no chance of defending playing on a soccer teams field.

Still waiting for you to show that we net $5 million in parking revenue.

He ain't gonna show nothing. His soccer coach once touched him in a way that made him uncomfortable, and now he's mortally afraid of us sharing a stadium with a soccer team, so he's pulling a bunch of stuff outta his *** and telling us it's gospel.

LOL I bet you told your soccer coach how much you loved him to touch your tiny johnson. Soccer isn't anymore of a sport than cross country. Watching soccer is like watching fish in an Aquarium swim from one side of the tank to the other and nothing every happens.

Naturally, though, you still ignored the question about that $5 million that you think we make from parking.

I didn't say $5M that was you. So show your math since you picked $5M not me. I said parking was about 20% of football revenue on game days that I got from Paul Dee when we talked at a Canes baseball game and ask about the deal moving from the OB to SLS. Paul talked about at the OB didn't have enough parking and that UM got nothing from the people that sold parking in their yards. Paul never told me a dollar amount just said something about 20%.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Well, the capacity will be smaller so it won't really be "loud" since the same or fewer people will attend. Also, since it needs to accommodate soccer, the seats will be no where near the sidelines so that problem remains. "Crazy loud" games will be the game 70K+ will attend and obviously we would need to relocate to Sun Life for them.
I understand the elimination of the nosebleeds, but kiss them cheap stub hub tix good bye. Wake Forest game had DOLLAR tickets.

American Football sidelines dictate that the field is further away from the stands than 'soccer' sidelines......so I don't quite understand your first point.

The dimensions of field play alter when you change the games.

the field of play has to be about 22 yards wider for soccer. that is 11 yards each sideline or 33 feet for those of you who are math challenged. 33 feet is quite a lot of space but they do play soccer in gilette stadium so it doesn't have to be as far away as dolphin stadium is.

This is what the side line view will look like for football in a MLS stadium. This is football played on Real Salt Lake at Rio Tinto Stadium


This is just as bad as the side line view at SLS which is the major problem I have with playing at SLS is the gap between the sidelines and the playing field. Forget about getting a lot of fan noise there especially is a smaller stadium that is open on one or both ends.

So? Isn't this a shared facility too? Yeah, they pump in artificial noise but still...

 

[AntwanJ306]

I didn't say $5M that was you. So show your math since you picked $5M not me. I said parking was about 20% of football revenue on game days that I got from Paul Dee when we talked at a Canes baseball game and ask about the deal moving from the OB to SLS. Paul talked about at the OB didn't have enough parking and that UM got nothing from the people that sold parking in their yards. Paul never told me a dollar amount just said something about 20%.

Oh, now it's "gameday" revenue. Your original post said that 20% of football revenue came from parking. Big difference; you should probably try to improve the clarity of your attempted points. 20% of gameday revenue is peanuts, while we're at it.

 

[Cane7451]

American Football sidelines dictate that the field is further away from the stands than 'soccer' sidelines......so I don't quite understand your first point.

The dimensions of field play alter when you change the games.

the field of play has to be about 22 yards wider for soccer. that is 11 yards each sideline or 33 feet for those of you who are math challenged. 33 feet is quite a lot of space but they do play soccer in gilette stadium so it doesn't have to be as far away as dolphin stadium is.

This is what the side line view will look like for football in a MLS stadium. This is football played on Real Salt Lake at Rio Tinto Stadium


This is just as bad as the side line view at SLS which is the major problem I have with playing at SLS is the gap between the sidelines and the playing field. Forget about getting a lot of fan noise there especially is a smaller stadium that is open on one or both ends.

So? Isn't this a shared facility too? Yeah, they pump in artificial noise but still...

LOL sure Tad be totally dishonest and pretend that is the size & height of the MLS stadium with closed end stadium design and a stadium roof that closes that Beckham is going to build on Dodge Island for $80M. I posted a real MLS stadium that they build for MLS soccer and you try to use a NFL stadium picture just like UM plays in now at SLS.

Look at your picture with the wide gap between the side lines of the playing field and the huge gap to the seats when the seattle seahawks are playing. Thanks for proving my point that the reason SLS sucks is because it was designed and built to accommodate soccer. SLS had to spend millions to rip out sections of seats to shoe horn in baseball. However if the Fins had got that last upgrade money from voters they would have put SLS back in the same configuration and narrowing the gap to SLS original dimensions. Beckham's MLS stadium will have a wide gap between the fans and the football field side lines that are similar to what SLS has now. Why SLS sucks as a football field is because it was designed to accommodate soccer.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Yeah, Seahawk fans really seem miserable in that stadium. Good points, 7451.

 

[Cane7451]

I didn't say $5M that was you. So show your math since you picked $5M not me. I said parking was about 20% of football revenue on game days that I got from Paul Dee when we talked at a Canes baseball game and ask about the deal moving from the OB to SLS. Paul talked about at the OB didn't have enough parking and that UM got nothing from the people that sold parking in their yards. Paul never told me a dollar amount just said something about 20%.

Oh, now it's "gameday" revenue. Your original post said that 20% of football revenue came from parking. Big difference; you should probably try to improve the clarity of your attempted points. 20% of gameday revenue is peanuts, while we're at it.

Of coarse I was taking about games played at SLS since I was talking about parking income. You were looking for a strawman point to counter my points. I didn't think anyone would think we get the parking revenue when we played GT in Atlanta or any other road game.

Paul Dee made a point of the parking revenue really made SLS even a better deal since UM sold all the parking at SLS. Paul said at the OB that had limited stadium parking we lost a lot of money that when to private property when people sold parking in their yards and in gas stations. I loved the Old Lady and wasn't happy when we moved but UM makes more money at SLS than we did at the OB.

Bottom line is UM winning games. If we can't keep up with FSU that is pulling in $100M revenue then we are in trouble against these state subsidized land grant college we play. College football now is all about making money and I don't see how we can make even what we do now by selling on average 33% less game tickets than we did in 2013 with a tiny 40K stadium and almost no parking revenue at Dodge Island.

 

[DapperSlapper]

What were employees being charged for tickets to the Wake game?

A couple of years ago, Eastern Michigan more than tripled their attendance from about 5K to 15K (5 home games) by having Pepsi buy 50K tickets at $3 each. So, their paid attendance took a monster jump, but revenue increased only slightly.

Trying to determine real attendance is just engaging in a shell game. Unless schools report turnstile numbers and ticket revenue, you're left grasping at air.

If employees were charged less than 1/3 of the highest regular ticket price, they would have to be at the game to be counted in attendance figures. Since the stadium was, by all accounts, empty, it seems not many people went. If employees were given free or enormously discounted tickets, they could only be counted in attendance numbers if they actually showed up.


You cannot use MAC teams as examples for attendance because almost all of them have serious attendance problems (as in close to being put on probation or relegated to FCS for lack of attendance). $3 tickets might count for E. Mich. attendance, but that dollar amount would not count for UM.

BTW, schools do report ticket revenue to the NCAA in their annual attendance audits. You can see FIU's most recent one here: http://www.oia.fiu.edu/pdf/Certifie...ate Athletic Association Operating Bylaws.pdf

 

[DapperSlapper]

I didn't say $5M that was you. So show your math since you picked $5M not me. I said parking was about 20% of football revenue on game days that I got from Paul Dee when we talked at a Canes baseball game and ask about the deal moving from the OB to SLS. Paul talked about at the OB didn't have enough parking and that UM got nothing from the people that sold parking in their yards. Paul never told me a dollar amount just said something about 20%.

Oh, now it's "gameday" revenue. Your original post said that 20% of football revenue came from parking. Big difference; you should probably try to improve the clarity of your attempted points. 20% of gameday revenue is peanuts, while we're at it.

Of coarse I was taking about games played at SLS since I was talking about parking income. You were looking for a strawman point to counter my points. I didn't think anyone would think we get the parking revenue when we played GT in Atlanta or any other road game.

Paul Dee made a point of the parking revenue really made SLS even a better deal since UM sold all the parking at SLS. Paul said at the OB that had limited stadium parking we lost a lot of money that when to private property and when people sold parking in their yards and in gas stations. I loved the Old Lady and wasn't happy when we moved but UM makes more money at SLS than we did at the OB.

Bottom line is UM winning games. If we can't keep up with FSU that is pulling in $100M revenue if we are in trouble against these state subsidized land grant college we play. College football now is all about making money and I don't see how we can make even what we do now by selling on average 33% less game tickets than we did in 2013 with a tiny 40K stadium and almost no parking revenue at Dodge Island.

These people don't get it. The move to SLS increased UM's revenues by $2 million+. There would likely be no cut of any parking for a stadium on Dodge Island. 40,000 seats is not enough and will cost UM revenue (along with missing out on parking revenue).

There would also be no tailgating at a stadium on Dodge Island. People hate the atmosphere at SLS, but they are excited about moving into a low budget, small stadium with no on site parking or tailgating. It really makes no sense.

 

[Consigliere]

Dapper, I respect your opinion but I asked you some questions. Just curious about your thoughts.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Of coarse I was taking about games played at SLS since I was talking about parking income. You were looking for a strawman point to counter my points. I didn't think anyone would think we get the parking revenue when we played GT in Atlanta or any other road game.

Paul Dee made a point of the parking revenue really made SLS even a better deal since UM sold all the parking at SLS. Paul said at the OB that had limited stadium parking we lost a lot of money that when to private property when people sold parking in their yards and in gas stations. I loved the Old Lady and wasn't happy when we moved but UM makes more money at SLS than we did at the OB.

Bottom line is UM winning games. If we can't keep up with FSU that is pulling in $100M revenue if we are in trouble against these state subsidized land grant college we play. College football now is all about making money and I don't see how we can make even what we do now by selling on average 33% less game tickets than we did in 2013 with a tiny 40K stadium and almost no parking revenue at Dodge Island.

You still don't get it. You wrote "20% of football revenue". Football brings in north of $25 million. If you mean something specific, like "gameday revenue" or "merchandise revenue" it helps to actually include those qualifiers in your post.

If you think the bottom line is "winning games", then I have to conclude that you're a troll and not a Miami fan. Even when we were the consensus #1 team in the country we were pulling in numbers like 31,000 and 44,000.

Miami is an event town. #1 team in the country at noon? 31,000 fans. Night game against a name opponent? Fill the place.

You know that Wake Forest game that everyone has been making fun of in this thread? We were 6-0 and ranked #7 in the country. But you want to come in here and tell lifelong Miami fans that winning will cure the attendance problems? The problem that day was game time and lame opponent. Winning the first six games did nothing to boost the crowd that day. Sell crazy someplace else.

 

[AntwanJ306]

40,000 seats is not enough and will cost UM revenue (along with missing out on parking revenue).

Prove it. Show me the ticket prices in the new stadium on Dodge Island.

What you're missing is that instead of having to sell 30,000 seats at less than $30 each (look at all those orange and navy seats on the 2014 pricing map), every seat in the house commands a premium.