We need this like a hole-in-the-head. I doubt that this is a legitimate school. I was skeptical when I read over the ASA website from the original Brooklyn campus. It's like a business-technical-computing "college",the type that used to teach shorthand and keypunch and typing and called itself a college. They would get all kinds of money from the govt for their crap courses, particularly for veterans. That's what this ASA looks like. Now, they somehow get themselves called a "junior college" or "community college" but I doubt that it's legit like Miami-Dade, not that M-D is a great academic institution, but it meets certain requirements. Now, this ASA probably manages to get themselves accredited somehow, but it's not like it should be called a real college. I'd be ashamed to go to a school like UM (or anywhere) and have a degree that represented, in part, credits transferred from a place like this. It's like the Champagnat of colleges.
You can all yell at me, and I'm sure there will be a lot of temptation to take all these marginal kids who pass through, and we'll see our competition load up on these kids, but I don't see this as any kind of positive development when the U is trying to go in the opposite direction and have good academics with outstanding football. It doesn't have to be a choice. We should be pushing for the competition to maintain standards, not lower them to accept kids who are being passed through simply to play football. By the way, I'm not a UM alum, but I would like to think college football has to reflect the lowest common denominator in academics. If that's what people want, maybe we should just drop the college and have the football team.
Well the U has moderate to good academics coupled with mediocre football. How's that plan working out?
Take the **** jucos and shut your hole.
Sometimes Jesus gives you a pie on the platter, and your job is to say 'thank you sir.
Never said don't take the Jucos. I love Jucos. We've had plenty of great Jucos: Cortez Kennedy, Eddie Brown, Jerome McDougle, Geoff Torretta, etc My problem is,
this school is not even a legitimate Juco, from what I can see. I've studied the ASA website from NY. I don't even know how it got accreditation. It's a computer school that later on added a few other lines of courses. If you added football to Miami-Dade and the other public Jucos in Florida, I'd be fine with it. I'd love to see a statewide system of Juco football like California has. Many of the best programs in California thrive on Jucos, using kids that come up from schools with legitimate academics. I'm not sure this private school has that or can even support it. USC uses California Jucos, I think even Stanford recruits some.
I don't see ASA as being in the same category of being a minimally adequate school academically. And for those who respond with vile attacks, like about "****** juice," and **** like that. F U! I've been a fan of UM football since long before you were born, most likely, so don't lecture me about what I can do with my "hole." You were not even swimming in ****** juice in someone's hole when I was sitting in the Orange Bowl watching the great stars of our illustrious history (which started, incidentally, long before 1983).
By the way, I think UM can have very good academics with NC caliber competitive football. It makes it tougher, and I never said take no kids from this ASA if it materializes, but I think for us to think this is going to be a great feeder, I would say you're being unduly optimistic. Most likely, a good many of the kids--like many of the Juco kids now--will not even be admittable to UM even
after two years at Juco. I've been watching this for many years, since Prop 48 and the tightening of standards in the mid-80's, and so many kids we sent away to Juco never came back. Why? They just couldn't hack it--period. They were terrible academically coming out of HS--and were just as awful after two years. So many kids--some who come to mind: Joey Veargis, Willie Williams (the WR/QB from Houston, not the LB), Nakia Jenkins, etc. Now, I can't say these particular kids were still terrible after Juco--but I know that we never expected to see them again--and we didn't. When we sent them to Juco, we usually knew they weren't coming back. I used to hear--and I had pretty good sources then--that Jimmy Johnson was fed up with Prop 48's--since they were such a problem when they got onto campus for a number of reasons--and I think they were very very reluctant to rely much on Jucos. They only saw Jucos as a last-gasp measure when we had a big hole to fill--just like we have had this past year with DT. Don't expect to rely heavily on Jucos to build this program, it's just not the answer, and we're not likely to benefit much from a school (ASA) that seems so marginal academically.
It's funny, I remember confronting Tad Foote before the 1988 OB, the one where we won the NC against Oklahoma, and I must have been insulting, arguing that we were going to sacrifice football for academics! I made the same accusation to the president of the U about what he might be doing that people are accusing me of advocating. In retrospect, I think I was rude and presumptuous--and I was even drunk. I don't even think I should have said anything since I'm not an alum, just a big supporter of athletics and hung around with many alums. Since I started my finger in his face, we won three more NCs, in 1989, '91 and '01. We've come close to a few more. I don't think the reason we haven't won more is academics--it might be one factor, but not the major factor. We've had a lot more--just look at all the complaints here about Shannon, Coker, D'Onofrio, etc., and you can find a million reasons. You can go back to Dennis Erickson, whatever.
