So we finally offer Treon Harris as a QB.

[LuCane]

So it is better to not have offered him at all?

That's the only legitimate question. And, given it's Treon Harris (which means more than an ordinary QB with the potential to be a star at another position), you make an early decision to play it a certain way and you stick by it. Otherwise, it may expand existing negative chatter. That's not a risk I roll with at this point. If you think it's just people on this board who react to the offer like "oh really, now?" then I'm not sure what to say. This is a reality we have to deal with and the coaches should be aware of (I think they are, which makes the rumored move more puzzling).

So, what if the early decision was to tell the kid that we could not offer him an opportunity at QB at the time, but will make that offer if the opportunity develops? What if the staff is sticking to its early decision on how to play it and is playing it exactly as it was communicated to Treon? Everyone here assumes that an offer at this point will be received negatively, but it might just be viewed as the staff having acted honestly and proceeded when the opportunity arose and exactly as everyone involved understood might be a possibility.

I'm not defending the staff because I don't know if it dropped the ball or did not, but I don't see criticizing based upon assumptions as making any sense either.

There aren't any assumptions in what I've written to you. There is existing chatter that the staff has a certain, eh, approach. Even if it's not how it is meant, unless they somehow communicated with Treon and he said there was a good chance to flip, this type of move (when he likely declines to flip) is not worth the cost. Like I said in my original post, it's a variant of the Skai Moore situation, except this player is freakin' Treon Harris and we all know what comes with that.

It's just frustrating because none of this had to happen if they simply took a more flexible stance early in the process.

You can't say there are no assumptions and then follow it with an "unless they somehow . . ." That already suggests that you are assuming that they did not somehow . . . That also assumes that your possible exception is the only one that would be acceptable.

I don't know about that chatter. That might impact my view, but I think I'd still reserve criticism until I heard some complaining from someone that counts (no offense intended to anyone here, I just mean someone of direct impact in recruiting).

What cost are we all imagining will arise from news that an offer was/may have been extended to Treon, if he declines to flip? We don't know what the staff has done to try to avoid costs. Is there an upside if he does flip? Does it outweigh the potential costs. Impossible to say without knowing more. That's why I can't get worked up about this without there being some evidence of a real--not perceived--cost or issue.

None of what had to happen? That's not rhetorical. I'm not following this year as closely as I have in other years, so I admit that I may well have missed something.

There weren't any assumptions in what I had previously written. Then I moved on to discuss further in this last post.

You're being protective in saying he "may" have been offered, but it's been confirmed from the people who'd know. Maybe you don't want to accept that as fact. Fine by me. I'll trust I'm not being lied to. I'll tell you what: even the guys who are usually far more conservative in backing the coaches are calling this "weird" or "absurd."

This situation did not have to happen. Getting to the point of offering him under this circumstance did not have to happen. Everyone else in the thread has done a good job of explaining why. Read some of Able's posts. It's not that complicated. This doesn't come off well from either angle you look at it.

 

[nycane]

not coming so i dont get this offer unless it had to do with nigel or something.

 

[User-4525]

Treon has everything you want as a qb except ideal arm strength and size.

Instincts, accuracy, intangibles, mobility, touch, etc. Proved me wrong this year at the U school and Central game. Great football player. Would not be surprised if he stayed at qb.

So he's Jeff Godfrey, as pretty much most astute observers have felt for a while now, until suddenly he became the GOAT QB in American history because he committed to FSU. Awesome.

Kid is way better than Godfrey. No one is calling him the goat qb. This is how everyone rational person sees it.

Two schools had a chance to get an early commitment from Harris. Miami and FSU. He considered other schools, but if both offered at qb he wouldn't have left the state. Spring comes around, and both schools took an OOS with prototypical size and good attributes. Both commits are said to be the #1 target for each school. Then each school decided to focus on obtaining a second qb in the same cycle. FSU focused on Harris, while we focused on Rosier. Many people on this board saw Rosier in person and were not impressed. Rosier and Treon are about the same height, give or take, and a Treon commitment would've been a better fit for the 2014 class. Why?

Football Aspect:

First, over the past two seasons Treon has shown can play qb at a bcs level. His stats blow those of Rosier out of the water. Not to mention, Treon's team won a state championship while Rosier's team couldn't reach 4 wins. Also, Treon plays in the most talented area in the country while Rosier plays in a much weaker area. Everyone says Thomas is the best player in Dade, but Thomas wasn't the best player on his team. Not a knock on Thomas, but Treon ran the show at BTW. Treon made everyone around him better and willed the BTW Tornadoes to the win against Central. He also played great against Norcross, University School, and in the state playoffs.

Rosier's stats

Treon's stats

Also, if Treon didn't work out at qb the 'Canes would have options. Unlike rosier, Treon can excel at DB and WR. Treon proved at the Opening he was an excellent athlete.

Recruiting Aspect:

Treon is a dade legend. He's known the best players in his recruiting class for a long time playing optimist ball with them. He's earned the respect of those guys by his play on the field. Package deals do not always come into fruition, but commits recruiting friends has proven to be beneficial. Wilson + Grier recruiting- Lammons, UF TE commit, & Lane. Duke & Malcolm recruiting Deon and Tracy. Courtel Jenkins recruiting Kiy Hester. List goes on and on. Treon would've been able to help us recruit Dade and get a better recruiting class than FSU. People don't want to hear it, but if we offer Quincy and Treon our recruiting class is looking even deeper right now.

At the end of the day though, you have to stick to your principles. So Golden & Co. passed on Treon, and took Rosier who they believe is a better fit for the system. Many on here didn't agree with it, (including me) but I understand the decision. Now fast forward to January, after losing top kids Dade, we offer Treon at qb. So what's the deal with this move? Power move to try to get recruits? Well Cook is already enrolled at FSU, Thomas shut down his recruitment and is solid to Miami, and Lane seems highly disinterested in the U. And how exactly would this recruiting power move work? Treon is in the ear of top dade players since 7/18/13 telling them FSU is the place to be. Then, in theory, we magically flip Treon pre signing day and now Treon is telling them all to go to Miami? After 6 months of recruiting positively for FSU? On the other hand, we could've offered him because we want him at qb now. So after 16+ months of ignoring Treon as a qb you want him there now? I wonder how well Treon will take that. Well some might say that Golden only offered him at qb to switch his position. So after 16+ months of telling Treon Slot WR and DB, you're going to tell him qb 4 weeks before signing day? After the Kirkland fiasco? Pssssssh.

We pulled Kaaya and Olsen in back to back classes, but can't take a flyer on a qb such as Treon? But took rosier?

There is no way you can twist the offer into a positive. It reeks of a bad strategical move and looks horrible from all ends. People that have followed recruiting year around knew how pathetic this looked before reading the comments in this thread. Casual college football fans see this as pathetic as well. FSU takes a qb from your backyard in July, and after they win the national championship you offer the same qb you ignored(for months)?

 

[itsacanething]

Treon has everything you want as a qb except ideal arm strength and size.

Instincts, accuracy, intangibles, mobility, touch, etc. Proved me wrong this year at the U school and Central game. Great football player. Would not be surprised if he stayed at qb.

So he's Jeff Godfrey, as pretty much most astute observers have felt for a while now, until suddenly he became the GOAT QB in American history because he committed to FSU. Awesome.

Kid is way better than Godfrey. No one is calling him the goat qb. This is how everyone rational person sees it.

Two schools had a chance to get an early commitment from Harris. Miami and FSU. He considered other schools, but if both offered at qb he wouldn't have left the state. Spring comes around, and both schools took an OOS with prototypical size and good attributes. Both commits are said to be the #1 target for each school. Then each school decided to focus on obtaining a second qb in the same cycle. FSU focused on Harris, while we focused on Rosier. Many people on this board saw Rosier in person and were not impressed. Rosier and Treon are about the same height, give or take, and a Treon commitment would've been a better fit for the 2014 class. Why?

Football Aspect:

First, over the past two seasons Treon has shown can play qb at a bcs level. His stats blow those of Rosier out of the water. Not to mention, Treon's team won a state championship while Rosier's team couldn't reach 4 wins. Everyone says Thomas is the best player in Dade, but Thomas wasn't the best player on his team. Not a knock on Thomas, but Treon ran the show at BTW. Treon made everyone around him better and willed the BTW Tornadoes to the win against Central. He also played great against Norcross, University School, and in the state playoffs.

Rosier's stats

Treon's stats

Also, if Treon didn't work out at qb the 'Canes would have options. Unlike rosier, Treon can excel at DB and WR. Treon proved at the Opening he was an excellent athlete.

Recruiting Aspect:

Treon is a dade legend. He's known the best players in his recruiting class for a long time playing optimist ball with them. He's earned the respect of those guys by his play on the field. Package deals do not always come into fruition, but commits recruiting friends has proven to be beneficial. Wilson + Grier recruiting- Lammons, UF TE commit, & Lane. Duke & Malcolm recruiting Deon and Tracy. Courtel Jenkins recruiting Kiy Hester. List goes on and on. Treon would've been able to help us recruit Dade and get a better recruiting class than FSU. People don't want to hear it, but if we offer Quincy and Treon our recruiting class is looking even deeper right now.

At the end of the day though, you have to stick to your principles. So Golden & Co. passed on Treon, and took Rosier who they believe is a better fit for the system. Many on here didn't agree with it, (including me) but I understand the decision. Now fast forward to January, after losing top kids Dade, we offer Treon at qb. So what's the deal with this move? Power move to try to get recruits? Well Cook is already enrolled at FSU, Thomas shut down his recruitment and is solid to Miami, and Lane seems highly disinterested in the U. And how exactly would this recruiting power move work? Treon is in the ear of top dade players since 7/18/13 telling them FSU is the place to be. Then, in theory, we magically flip Treon pre signing day and now Treon is telling them all to go to Miami? After 6 months of recruiting positively for FSU? On the other hand, we could've offered him because we want him at qb now. So after 16+ months of ignoring Treon as a qb you want him there now? Well some might say that Golden only offered him at qb to switch his position. So after 16+ months of telling Treon Slot WR and DB, you're going to tell him qb 4 weeks before signing day? After the Kirkland fiasco? Pssssssh.

We pulled Kaaya and Olsen in back to back classes, but can't take a flyer on a qb such as Treon? But took rosier?

There is no way you can twist the offer into a positive. It reeks of a bad strategical move and looks horrible from all ends. People that have followed recruiting year around knew how pathetic this looked before reading the comments in this thread. Casual college football fans see this as pathetic as well. FSU takes a qb from your backyard in July, and after they win the national championship you offer the same qb you ignored(for months)?

Valid post which leads one to believe there must be a logical reason for the offer coming late from um and uf. I just have no idea what it is. I hope it's not because kaaya is getting ready to flip.

 

[DiegoCane]

Is it confirmed we offered Harris at QB or is it one person on twitter?

I'm still hoping our staff didn't think this was a good idea.

 

[User-4525]

Is it confirmed we offered Harris at QB or is it one person on twitter?

I'm still hoping our staff didn't think this was a good idea.

Confirmed by D$, Pete, Tito, and myself

 

[AZHurricane]

Treon has everything you want as a qb except ideal arm strength and size.

Instincts, accuracy, intangibles, mobility, touch, etc. Proved me wrong this year at the U school and Central game. Great football player. Would not be surprised if he stayed at qb.

So he's Jeff Godfrey, as pretty much most astute observers have felt for a while now, until suddenly he became the GOAT QB in American history because he committed to FSU. Awesome.

Kid is way better than Godfrey. No one is calling him the goat qb. This is how everyone rational person sees it.

Two schools had a chance to get an early commitment from Harris. Miami and FSU. He considered other schools, but if both offered at qb he wouldn't have left the state. Spring comes around, and both schools took an OOS with prototypical size and good attributes. Both commits are said to be the #1 target for each school. Then each school decided to focus on obtaining a second qb in the same cycle. FSU focused on Harris, while we focused on Rosier. Many people on this board saw Rosier in person and were not impressed. Rosier and Treon are about the same height, give or take, and a Treon commitment would've been a better fit for the 2014 class. Why?

Football Aspect:

First, over the past two seasons Treon has shown can play qb at a bcs level. His stats blow those of Rosier out of the water. Not to mention, Treon's team won a state championship while Rosier's team couldn't reach 4 wins. Everyone says Thomas is the best player in Dade, but Thomas wasn't the best player on his team. Not a knock on Thomas, but Treon ran the show at BTW. Treon made everyone around him better and willed the BTW Tornadoes to the win against Central. He also played great against Norcross, University School, and in the state playoffs.

Rosier's stats

Treon's stats

Also, if Treon didn't work out at qb the 'Canes would have options. Unlike rosier, Treon can excel at DB and WR. Treon proved at the Opening he was an excellent athlete.

Recruiting Aspect:

Treon is a dade legend. He's known the best players in his recruiting class for a long time playing optimist ball with them. He's earned the respect of those guys by his play on the field. Package deals do not always come into fruition, but commits recruiting friends has proven to be beneficial. Wilson + Grier recruiting- Lammons, UF TE commit, & Lane. Duke & Malcolm recruiting Deon and Tracy. Courtel Jenkins recruiting Kiy Hester. List goes on and on. Treon would've been able to help us recruit Dade and get a better recruiting class than FSU. People don't want to hear it, but if we offer Quincy and Treon our recruiting class is looking even deeper right now.

At the end of the day though, you have to stick to your principles. So Golden & Co. passed on Treon, and took Rosier who they believe is a better fit for the system. Many on here didn't agree with it, (including me) but I understand the decision. Now fast forward to January, after losing top kids Dade, we offer Treon at qb. So what's the deal with this move? Power move to try to get recruits? Well Cook is already enrolled at FSU, Thomas shut down his recruitment and is solid to Miami, and Lane seems highly disinterested in the U. And how exactly would this recruiting power move work? Treon is in the ear of top dade players since 7/18/13 telling them FSU is the place to be. Then, in theory, we magically flip Treon pre signing day and now Treon is telling them all to go to Miami? After 6 months of recruiting positively for FSU? On the other hand, we could've offered him because we want him at qb now. So after 16+ months of ignoring Treon as a qb you want him there now? Well some might say that Golden only offered him at qb to switch his position. So after 16+ months of telling Treon Slot WR and DB, you're going to tell him qb 4 weeks before signing day? After the Kirkland fiasco? Pssssssh.

We pulled Kaaya and Olsen in back to back classes, but can't take a flyer on a qb such as Treon? But took rosier?

There is no way you can twist the offer into a positive. It reeks of a bad strategical move and looks horrible from all ends. People that have followed recruiting year around knew how pathetic this looked before reading the comments in this thread. Casual college football fans see this as pathetic as well. FSU takes a qb from your backyard in July, and after they win the national championship you offer the same qb you ignored(for months)?

/end thread

 

[User-4525]

Treon has everything you want as a qb except ideal arm strength and size.

Instincts, accuracy, intangibles, mobility, touch, etc. Proved me wrong this year at the U school and Central game. Great football player. Would not be surprised if he stayed at qb.

So he's Jeff Godfrey, as pretty much most astute observers have felt for a while now, until suddenly he became the GOAT QB in American history because he committed to FSU. Awesome.

Kid is way better than Godfrey. No one is calling him the goat qb. This is how everyone rational person sees it.

Two schools had a chance to get an early commitment from Harris. Miami and FSU. He considered other schools, but if both offered at qb he wouldn't have left the state. Spring comes around, and both schools took an OOS with prototypical size and good attributes. Both commits are said to be the #1 target for each school. Then each school decided to focus on obtaining a second qb in the same cycle. FSU focused on Harris, while we focused on Rosier. Many people on this board saw Rosier in person and were not impressed. Rosier and Treon are about the same height, give or take, and a Treon commitment would've been a better fit for the 2014 class. Why?

Football Aspect:

First, over the past two seasons Treon has shown can play qb at a bcs level. His stats blow those of Rosier out of the water. Not to mention, Treon's team won a state championship while Rosier's team couldn't reach 4 wins. Everyone says Thomas is the best player in Dade, but Thomas wasn't the best player on his team. Not a knock on Thomas, but Treon ran the show at BTW. Treon made everyone around him better and willed the BTW Tornadoes to the win against Central. He also played great against Norcross, University School, and in the state playoffs.

Rosier's stats

Treon's stats

Also, if Treon didn't work out at qb the 'Canes would have options. Unlike rosier, Treon can excel at DB and WR. Treon proved at the Opening he was an excellent athlete.

Recruiting Aspect:

Treon is a dade legend. He's known the best players in his recruiting class for a long time playing optimist ball with them. He's earned the respect of those guys by his play on the field. Package deals do not always come into fruition, but commits recruiting friends has proven to be beneficial. Wilson + Grier recruiting- Lammons, UF TE commit, & Lane. Duke & Malcolm recruiting Deon and Tracy. Courtel Jenkins recruiting Kiy Hester. List goes on and on. Treon would've been able to help us recruit Dade and get a better recruiting class than FSU. People don't want to hear it, but if we offer Quincy and Treon our recruiting class is looking even deeper right now.

At the end of the day though, you have to stick to your principles. So Golden & Co. passed on Treon, and took Rosier who they believe is a better fit for the system. Many on here didn't agree with it, (including me) but I understand the decision. Now fast forward to January, after losing top kids Dade, we offer Treon at qb. So what's the deal with this move? Power move to try to get recruits? Well Cook is already enrolled at FSU, Thomas shut down his recruitment and is solid to Miami, and Lane seems highly disinterested in the U. And how exactly would this recruiting power move work? Treon is in the ear of top dade players since 7/18/13 telling them FSU is the place to be. Then, in theory, we magically flip Treon pre signing day and now Treon is telling them all to go to Miami? After 6 months of recruiting positively for FSU? On the other hand, we could've offered him because we want him at qb now. So after 16+ months of ignoring Treon as a qb you want him there now? Well some might say that Golden only offered him at qb to switch his position. So after 16+ months of telling Treon Slot WR and DB, you're going to tell him qb 4 weeks before signing day? After the Kirkland fiasco? Pssssssh.

We pulled Kaaya and Olsen in back to back classes, but can't take a flyer on a qb such as Treon? But took rosier?

There is no way you can twist the offer into a positive. It reeks of a bad strategical move and looks horrible from all ends. People that have followed recruiting year around knew how pathetic this looked before reading the comments in this thread. Casual college football fans see this as pathetic as well. FSU takes a qb from your backyard in July, and after they win the national championship you offer the same qb you ignored(for months)?

Valid post which leads one to believe there must be a logical reason for the offer coming late from um and uf. I just have no idea what it is. I hope it's not because kaaya is getting ready to flip.

Kaaya isn't going anywhere as long as Coley is here. Rosier doesn't have any other offers to go anywhere.

UF offered because they need a second qb due to a recent transfer. UF is also changing their offense, so new qb targets that are still available are emerging

 

[BigCaneAl]

Treon has everything you want as a qb except ideal arm strength and size.

Instincts, accuracy, intangibles, mobility, touch, etc. Proved me wrong this year at the U school and Central game. Great football player. Would not be surprised if he stayed at qb.

So he's Jeff Godfrey, as pretty much most astute observers have felt for a while now, until suddenly he became the GOAT QB in American history because he committed to FSU. Awesome.

Kid is way better than Godfrey. No one is calling him the goat qb. This is how everyone rational person sees it.

Two schools had a chance to get an early commitment from Harris. Miami and FSU. He considered other schools, but if both offered at qb he wouldn't have left the state. Spring comes around, and both schools took an OOS with prototypical size and good attributes. Both commits are said to be the #1 target for each school. Then each school decided to focus on obtaining a second qb in the same cycle. FSU focused on Harris, while we focused on Rosier. Many people on this board saw Rosier in person and were not impressed. Rosier and Treon are about the same height, give or take, and a Treon commitment would've been a better fit for the 2014 class. Why?

Football Aspect:

First, over the past two seasons Treon has shown can play qb at a bcs level. His stats blow those of Rosier out of the water. Not to mention, Treon's team won a state championship while Rosier's team couldn't reach 4 wins. Everyone says Thomas is the best player in Dade, but Thomas wasn't the best player on his team. Not a knock on Thomas, but Treon ran the show at BTW. Treon made everyone around him better and willed the BTW Tornadoes to the win against Central. He also played great against Norcross, University School, and in the state playoffs.

Rosier's stats

Treon's stats

Also, if Treon didn't work out at qb the 'Canes would have options. Unlike rosier, Treon can excel at DB and WR. Treon proved at the Opening he was an excellent athlete.

Recruiting Aspect:

Treon is a dade legend. He's known the best players in his recruiting class for a long time playing optimist ball with them. He's earned the respect of those guys by his play on the field. Package deals do not always come into fruition, but commits recruiting friends has proven to be beneficial. Wilson + Grier recruiting- Lammons, UF TE commit, & Lane. Duke & Malcolm recruiting Deon and Tracy. Courtel Jenkins recruiting Kiy Hester. List goes on and on. Treon would've been able to help us recruit Dade and get a better recruiting class than FSU. People don't want to hear it, but if we offer Quincy and Treon our recruiting class is looking even deeper right now.

At the end of the day though, you have to stick to your principles. So Golden & Co. passed on Treon, and took Rosier who they believe is a better fit for the system. Many on here didn't agree with it, (including me) but I understand the decision. Now fast forward to January, after losing top kids Dade, we offer Treon at qb. So what's the deal with this move? Power move to try to get recruits? Well Cook is already enrolled at FSU, Thomas shut down his recruitment and is solid to Miami, and Lane seems highly disinterested in the U. And how exactly would this recruiting power move work? Treon is in the ear of top dade players since 7/18/13 telling them FSU is the place to be. Then, in theory, we magically flip Treon pre signing day and now Treon is telling them all to go to Miami? After 6 months of recruiting positively for FSU? On the other hand, we could've offered him because we want him at qb now. So after 16+ months of ignoring Treon as a qb you want him there now? Well some might say that Golden only offered him at qb to switch his position. So after 16+ months of telling Treon Slot WR and DB, you're going to tell him qb 4 weeks before signing day? After the Kirkland fiasco? Pssssssh.

We pulled Kaaya and Olsen in back to back classes, but can't take a flyer on a qb such as Treon? But took rosier?

There is no way you can twist the offer into a positive. It reeks of a bad strategical move and looks horrible from all ends. People that have followed recruiting year around knew how pathetic this looked before reading the comments in this thread. Casual college football fans see this as pathetic as well. FSU takes a qb from your backyard in July, and after they win the national championship you offer the same qb you ignored(for months)?

Good write up. The only way this makes any possible sense is if Treon indicated he was still interested.

 

[77cane]

https://twitter.com/RyanBartow/status/421297652328714240

As usual too late by this staff.

Why? He will never be major college quarterback, unless he is in an Auburn style offense. I kind of doubt we offered.

 

[User-4525]

Treon has everything you want as a qb except ideal arm strength and size.

Instincts, accuracy, intangibles, mobility, touch, etc. Proved me wrong this year at the U school and Central game. Great football player. Would not be surprised if he stayed at qb.

So he's Jeff Godfrey, as pretty much most astute observers have felt for a while now, until suddenly he became the GOAT QB in American history because he committed to FSU. Awesome.

Kid is way better than Godfrey. No one is calling him the goat qb. This is how everyone rational person sees it.

Two schools had a chance to get an early commitment from Harris. Miami and FSU. He considered other schools, but if both offered at qb he wouldn't have left the state. Spring comes around, and both schools took an OOS with prototypical size and good attributes. Both commits are said to be the #1 target for each school. Then each school decided to focus on obtaining a second qb in the same cycle. FSU focused on Harris, while we focused on Rosier. Many people on this board saw Rosier in person and were not impressed. Rosier and Treon are about the same height, give or take, and a Treon commitment would've been a better fit for the 2014 class. Why?

Football Aspect:

First, over the past two seasons Treon has shown can play qb at a bcs level. His stats blow those of Rosier out of the water. Not to mention, Treon's team won a state championship while Rosier's team couldn't reach 4 wins. Everyone says Thomas is the best player in Dade, but Thomas wasn't the best player on his team. Not a knock on Thomas, but Treon ran the show at BTW. Treon made everyone around him better and willed the BTW Tornadoes to the win against Central. He also played great against Norcross, University School, and in the state playoffs.

Rosier's stats

Treon's stats

Also, if Treon didn't work out at qb the 'Canes would have options. Unlike rosier, Treon can excel at DB and WR. Treon proved at the Opening he was an excellent athlete.

Recruiting Aspect:

Treon is a dade legend. He's known the best players in his recruiting class for a long time playing optimist ball with them. He's earned the respect of those guys by his play on the field. Package deals do not always come into fruition, but commits recruiting friends has proven to be beneficial. Wilson + Grier recruiting- Lammons, UF TE commit, & Lane. Duke & Malcolm recruiting Deon and Tracy. Courtel Jenkins recruiting Kiy Hester. List goes on and on. Treon would've been able to help us recruit Dade and get a better recruiting class than FSU. People don't want to hear it, but if we offer Quincy and Treon our recruiting class is looking even deeper right now.

At the end of the day though, you have to stick to your principles. So Golden & Co. passed on Treon, and took Rosier who they believe is a better fit for the system. Many on here didn't agree with it, (including me) but I understand the decision. Now fast forward to January, after losing top kids Dade, we offer Treon at qb. So what's the deal with this move? Power move to try to get recruits? Well Cook is already enrolled at FSU, Thomas shut down his recruitment and is solid to Miami, and Lane seems highly disinterested in the U. And how exactly would this recruiting power move work? Treon is in the ear of top dade players since 7/18/13 telling them FSU is the place to be. Then, in theory, we magically flip Treon pre signing day and now Treon is telling them all to go to Miami? After 6 months of recruiting positively for FSU? On the other hand, we could've offered him because we want him at qb now. So after 16+ months of ignoring Treon as a qb you want him there now? Well some might say that Golden only offered him at qb to switch his position. So after 16+ months of telling Treon Slot WR and DB, you're going to tell him qb 4 weeks before signing day? After the Kirkland fiasco? Pssssssh.

We pulled Kaaya and Olsen in back to back classes, but can't take a flyer on a qb such as Treon? But took rosier?

There is no way you can twist the offer into a positive. It reeks of a bad strategical move and looks horrible from all ends. People that have followed recruiting year around knew how pathetic this looked before reading the comments in this thread. Casual college football fans see this as pathetic as well. FSU takes a qb from your backyard in July, and after they win the national championship you offer the same qb you ignored(for months)?

Good write up. The only way this makes any possible sense is if Treon indicated he was still interested.

This is what I know, and what you'll know after reading my post lol. This is what I've been told from a coach down in dade. He's solid to FSU, but if he were to flip it would be to Auburn. Now UF just got this new OC and Treon scheduled an OV for the 1/17/14. If he's taking a visit to UF, he's obviously interested. Then add this to Treon telling a reporter, at the Army All American Game, that it is too late for Miami to flip him even if he was offered as a qb. Some kids always say it's too late but never really truly mean it. In Juwan Dowels case, if we would've offered before the OU & Clemson offers I believe 110% we would've flipped him. That is from talking to Jamal Dowels, Juwan's brother. But in the case of Treon, he's committed to the national champions. And he has the second best team in the country pursuing him hard as well. Why would he go to the school that ignored him until the marquee programs wanted him? I do know his family would love to be around him. They would also love for him to continue the Harris-UM legacy. But it's Treon's decision and Miami came in much too late.

 

[NY Shyne]

Ice for assistant coach

 

[DiegoCane]

Is it confirmed we offered Harris at QB or is it one person on twitter?

I'm still hoping our staff didn't think this was a good idea.

Confirmed by D$, Pete, Tito, and myself

+Repped. Didn't want to go through this abomination of a thread.

Truly puzzled at what we are doing at the moment.

 

[accomadus]

 

[dk72]

He's taking an official to UF...

Really? According to many here he should be offended and insulted, since UF only just now offered.

 

[RiDLer80]

He's taking an official to UF...

Really? According to many here he should be offended and insulted, since UF only just now offered.

UF just recently hired a new OC, what's our excuse for just now giving him a shot at QB?

 

[AlexCane]

Haven't read thread, apologize if addressed. Is there any chance that FSU is cooling on him, or using its new-found popularity to go for a bigger fish at QB? Or that they told him that they envision him at a position other than QB?

I guess if FSU is leaving him all dressed up and nowhere to go, that other schools might come calling. But I'm speculating entirely.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Treon has everything you want as a qb except ideal arm strength and size.

Instincts, accuracy, intangibles, mobility, touch, etc. Proved me wrong this year at the U school and Central game. Great football player. Would not be surprised if he stayed at qb.

So he's Jeff Godfrey, as pretty much most astute observers have felt for a while now, until suddenly he became the GOAT QB in American history because he committed to FSU. Awesome.

Kid is way better than Godfrey. No one is calling him the goat qb. This is how everyone rational person sees it.

Two schools had a chance to get an early commitment from Harris. Miami and FSU. He considered other schools, but if both offered at qb he wouldn't have left the state. Spring comes around, and both schools took an OOS with prototypical size and good attributes. Both commits are said to be the #1 target for each school. Then each school decided to focus on obtaining a second qb in the same cycle. FSU focused on Harris, while we focused on Rosier. Many people on this board saw Rosier in person and were not impressed. Rosier and Treon are about the same height, give or take, and a Treon commitment would've been a better fit for the 2014 class. Why?

Football Aspect:

First, over the past two seasons Treon has shown can play qb at a bcs level. His stats blow those of Rosier out of the water. Not to mention, Treon's team won a state championship while Rosier's team couldn't reach 4 wins. Also, Treon plays in the most talented area in the country while Rosier plays in a much weaker area. Everyone says Thomas is the best player in Dade, but Thomas wasn't the best player on his team. Not a knock on Thomas, but Treon ran the show at BTW. Treon made everyone around him better and willed the BTW Tornadoes to the win against Central. He also played great against Norcross, University School, and in the state playoffs.

Rosier's stats

Treon's stats

Also, if Treon didn't work out at qb the 'Canes would have options. Unlike rosier, Treon can excel at DB and WR. Treon proved at the Opening he was an excellent athlete.

Recruiting Aspect:

Treon is a dade legend. He's known the best players in his recruiting class for a long time playing optimist ball with them. He's earned the respect of those guys by his play on the field. Package deals do not always come into fruition, but commits recruiting friends has proven to be beneficial. Wilson + Grier recruiting- Lammons, UF TE commit, & Lane. Duke & Malcolm recruiting Deon and Tracy. Courtel Jenkins recruiting Kiy Hester. List goes on and on. Treon would've been able to help us recruit Dade and get a better recruiting class than FSU. People don't want to hear it, but if we offer Quincy and Treon our recruiting class is looking even deeper right now.

At the end of the day though, you have to stick to your principles. So Golden & Co. passed on Treon, and took Rosier who they believe is a better fit for the system. Many on here didn't agree with it, (including me) but I understand the decision. Now fast forward to January, after losing top kids Dade, we offer Treon at qb. So what's the deal with this move? Power move to try to get recruits? Well Cook is already enrolled at FSU, Thomas shut down his recruitment and is solid to Miami, and Lane seems highly disinterested in the U. And how exactly would this recruiting power move work? Treon is in the ear of top dade players since 7/18/13 telling them FSU is the place to be. Then, in theory, we magically flip Treon pre signing day and now Treon is telling them all to go to Miami? After 6 months of recruiting positively for FSU? On the other hand, we could've offered him because we want him at qb now. So after 16+ months of ignoring Treon as a qb you want him there now? I wonder how well Treon will take that. Well some might say that Golden only offered him at qb to switch his position. So after 16+ months of telling Treon Slot WR and DB, you're going to tell him qb 4 weeks before signing day? After the Kirkland fiasco? Pssssssh.

We pulled Kaaya and Olsen in back to back classes, but can't take a flyer on a qb such as Treon? But took rosier?

There is no way you can twist the offer into a positive. It reeks of a bad strategical move and looks horrible from all ends. People that have followed recruiting year around knew how pathetic this looked before reading the comments in this thread. Casual college football fans see this as pathetic as well. FSU takes a qb from your backyard in July, and after they win the national championship you offer the same qb you ignored(for months)?

You make some valid points, but Ive already stated clearly what the rationale could have been, and I think it would make logical sense to do it. You try to assuage the community by saying "look, Treon didnt really fit our offense, AND we already had two other guys on board, so we didnt have room". BUT, now if you go after #3, and you DONT give Treon first crack, it looks like a lie and like you DID get another QB slot open up, and you STILL passed over the local kid. At least now they can say "look, we got a 3rd QB spot, and we offered it to Treon, but he passed". It may not count for much, but its at least some CYA if we do go after another QB from outside SoFla.

Also, on what planet is Treon the same size as Rosier? Treon is 5'10 from all accounts, Rosier is listed at 6'2. And watching their videos, Rosier does look every inch of his 6'2, while Treon looks about 5'10. So their size isnt even close. Ive said from the beginning, I didnt think Treon was a QB here. I have had NO problem with us not offering him. And IF we offered him now, for political reasons, to cover our @sses with the "community" if we intend to take a 3rd QB, then I have no major beef with that. The risk/reward is in our favor. Odds are there is almost zero chance he would actually take it, and at the same time, we can say that when a new QB spot opened up, we DID offer it to the local kid.

 

[losdogcane]

FSU can forget about recruiting BTW if dad feels that his son didn't get a fair shot at QB.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

He's taking an official to UF...

Really? According to many here he should be offended and insulted, since UF only just now offered.

UF just recently hired a new OC, what's our excuse for just now giving him a shot at QB?

How about what I have said 50 times in this thread now? That we have decided to take a 3rd QB in this class? Seems like a pretty straight forward reason to me.