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So, REALLY, how bad is the recruiting?

UBaby93 said:
Mario has a done a great job if you ask me. He just needs to change our Recruiting Philosophy. The Clemson model is what I called it.

Elite DBs and 2 Warrior DTs, Hybrid DE, Booker Pickett Type DE. Corey Flagg LBs.

3 Best WRs, Fastest RB, 2 OT, Developmental Gs and Cs. Game Manager QB.

How much would that be per class? I don't know.
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Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence are game manager QBs? Nah…they themselves were the Clemson model don’t get it twisted.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Year over year. Probably a feather in Mario's cap he (and the bags) were able to get that #4 class. But no coach here is going to out-recruit OSU, Bama, UGA and Texas in multi-year samples. Nobody.

One year sample? Doable, clearly. He did it. Year over year, multiple-cycles? Not gonna happen.
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We had people saying #4 could never be done either, and then it happened.
Nothing will change under this regime, unless we change that. We will continue to be irrelevant in the big picture 🤷🏾‍♂️.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Of course there's a reason why. Because he recruited the kids for 20 minutes. No coach should be graded on a recruiting class when you're hired on December 6th, and that includes Mario, Manny, Mark, or any other coach on the planet.
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who gets credit for the “evals” of two of our starting OL this year?

Since both are nobody recruits from the 2022 class?
 
htownkidd said:
We had people saying #4 could never be done either, and then it happened.
Nothing will change under this regime, unless we change that. We will continue to be irrelevant in the big picture 🤷🏾‍♂️.
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My point in my OP was more the hire until now. In theory, you're right. What if somehow we magically get out of the ACC and win the natty this year? My ceiling would definitely be raised.

I was more trying to say in the 3 classes he's signed, is there anyone who could've taken Miami AT THAT POINT to a loftier ranking? I really don't see how it's possible...I mean maybe a spot or something but even if we hired Coach X instead of Mario and he went 8-4 or even 9-3 in Year 1, do we really think he's averaging better than 7th nationally over the last 3 classes? I don't see a path at all for that.

But yeah, in he future, it's possible, if the stars align and we start beating the **** out of people, beginning in 6 weeks against the Catholics.
 
JHallCanes said:
who gets credit for the “evals” of two of our starting OL this year?

Since both are nobody recruits from the 2022 class?
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Good question, and I really don't know. I'm not going to spin it like the kids who sucked were Manny's kids and the kids who are good are Mario's kids. That's bull****.

But the evals? I guess both, honestly. Manny for getting them on board in the first place and then Mario for identifying they were kids he wanted to aggressively hang onto while he was moving boxes into his office. Maybe a cop-out answer but I don't know if there's a right or wrong one.
 
UBaby93 said:
I mean Clemson literally won a Championship with White Boy LBs who you can't name right now. That year they smacked us in the Championship Game they had White Boys who literally wasn't that good. Just played smart Football.
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On this note, that early Clemson strategy might be what makes the most sense. Playoff appearances and draft picks elevates the program into that top-5 contention in recruiting. Definitely have to secure some outside playmakers (however, honestly). Continue to take chances bringing in A1 QBs because in college, that can be the great equalizer. Fill out the bottom of each class with elite traits for development (Sub 11.00 100m at skill, NFL height/arm length/frame but maybe underweight in the trenches). This and our current blue chips have to perform and get drafted. Miami has removed somewhat, the discount certain programs expected for some recruits, now they’re matching dollar for dollar. Focus has to be at chipping away at those other differentiators like Pete mentioned a couple times in the pod.
 
htownkidd said:
A pipe dream but we had the #4 class 2 cycles ago? Foh with that weak *** loser bull****. This fanbase deserves the mediocrity we have been stuck in.
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Pipe dream would imply impossible. So I agree thats bs for sure.

Top 5 classes are the goal though and a high bar to achieve. I think on average we absolutely should be around 7-8 when looking at recruiting as a whole. Some years hopefully we get closer to 3 (where I actually view our ceiling likely to be). And hopefully we can limit our floor to staying in the top 10. I'd also rather get 6-7 YEARLY than getting 3rd one year 12th another, 10th, then 5th, etc..

We also have historically been pretty balanced with HS vs Portal. If we committed less to the portal, I'm sure we could increase our HS results. I think we should probably begin to focus less on the portal with the exception of QB going forward. I'd still rely on Portal for QB and try to limit it to about 2 other Heavy rotation players, and some multi-year depth for any position you miss out on per year, but I think 90%+ of our spending should shift to HS and retainment with how I'd expect the Rev Share and NIL to play out. For that reason I actually do think we should leave "less in the bank" for a potential Portal class next offseason, and do more higher spending out of HS + Retainment. ASAP I'd want to sign every guy on this roster that we expect to contribute to 2-3 year deals for a good amount of money that makes them not even question leaving this offseason... Then get the best HS class possible and leave about $4M for a potential portal QB and starting Safety.
 
I’m reporting this OP..making too much gaht**** sense n ion like that shhh @OrangeBowlMagic

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supersaiyanshel said:
It's all about the QB, OL, and DL if you want to compete with the big boys. You can be good to average everywhere else (3/Low 4 Star).

We've been getting 2 out of 3.

Gotta crack that DL code somehow.
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I think it's a matter of time. Defensive players want to be on team that have physical powerful defenses, not teams known to just run up the score on teams.
It's likely the reason USC has a hard time recruiting defensive players in general. Even Oregon, most notably known for their offensive fire power. and has to be, has really only recruited big time defensive players since moving to the Big Ten with Lanning, Even though Mario did a pretty good job Lanning stepped up even higher.

Once have a team that wins games more like 40-14, against team we should beat (i.e., Pitt, Gtech, Vtech) then it'll be easier. I'm hoping this is the year.

We let teams hang around too much and just then a swing chance it dam annoying, just id like to see Miami for once, just be consistent and just make it easier on themselves, like they did with UF.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Good question, and I really don't know. I'm not going to spin it like the kids who sucked were Manny's kids and the kids who are good are Mario's kids. That's bull****.

But the evals? I guess both, honestly. Manny for getting them on board in the first place and then Mario for identifying they were kids he wanted to aggressively hang onto while he was moving boxes into his office. Maybe a cop-out answer but I don't know if there's a right or wrong one.
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Yeah not intended towards you just one of those semi sarcastic questions that pop into my head

I remember two guys in particular that we weren’t gonna get until Mario came on board

Wes and Kelly

Now Monday morning QB stuff aside those were pulls everyone was happy about. Cooper was obviously an incredible get. McCoy still tbd but high hopes if healthy

Mario also got some guys that he had been recruiting for a long time to follow him like Citizen

**** shame that one

I might be slightly off here on some details but that’s how it was explained to me anyway
 
Arehel said:
I think it's a matter of time. Defensive players want to be on team that have physical powerful defenses, not teams known to just run up the score on teams.
It's likely the reason USC has a hard time recruiting defensive players in general. Even Oregon, most notably known for their offensive fire power. and has to be, has really only recruited big time defensive players since moving to the Big Ten with Lanning, Even though Mario did a pretty good job Lanning stepped up even higher.

Once have a team that wins games more like 40-14, against team we should beat (i.e., Pitt, Gtech, Vtech) then it'll be easier. I'm hoping this is the year.

We let teams hang around too much and just then a swing chance it dam annoying, just id like to see Miami for once, just be consistent and just make it easier on themselves, like they did with UF.
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Miami had the #7 margin of victory in the country last season.

Ohio State, Indiana, Penn State, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Texas were the only ones better. All playoff teams except for Ole Miss.

Every team has close games. Ohio State lost outright as a 17 point favorite on their home field, and still won the natty. Nobody, except for the all-time teams that I don't think we're likely to see much of anymore with NIL, just obliterates every single opponent every single week.

Only 6 teams in America beat their opponents worse than Miami did, on average, last season.
 
EudocimusAlbus said:
We were a few defensive stops from playing in the CFP's with his recruits and transfers. Top 5, top 10, or whatever the F it is, we weren't that far off. Can't recall the last time we were as relevant.
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I believe we were #4 in the initial CFP rankings, I would have to imagine that was the highest we'd been since 2017.

But that year ended with a thud, just like this one, so I can see why people are a little ornery. As far as pure recruiting though, which is what this thread is about, I think we're just a little over the top right now.
 
UBaby93 said:
Mario has a done a great job if you ask me. He just needs to change our Recruiting Philosophy. The Clemson model is what I called it.

Elite DBs and 2 Warrior DTs, Hybrid DE, Booker Pickett Type DE. Corey Flagg LBs.

3 Best WRs, Fastest RB, 2 OT, Developmental Gs and Cs. Game Manager QB.

How much would that be per class? I don't know.
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That’s not the clemson model. They go after elite qbs. Klubnik was a 5 star.
 
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Rellyrell said:
This is wrong based upon the criteria that the OP set for Mario. They strategically didn’t consider the class of ‘22, & there’s a reason y. So by that delta, we’ll have to remove the mulligan/transitional classes from Mario’s predecessors, as well, to compare apples to apples.

Diaz avg. class was 11th
Richt’s avg. class was 10.5
Golden’s avg class was 16th
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Fair enough, I wasn’t removing any transition classes from any of them in what I was looking at.

But you’re still wrong on Diaz.

Diaz - 13.5
Richt - 10
Golden - 16
 
atlcane72 said:
Mario is doing a good job in my opinion. Let’s get over the hump this season. The roster is there.
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I will make a wild prediction. We will have an OL, QB, and DE drafted in the first round. Miami will recruit OL, QB , and DE well. Doesn’t matter if UM makes the playoffs, Cristobal will still struggle to land LB, DT, and WRs. Most UM fans will remain oblivious to why this keeps happening.

Let’s pretend Restrepo has a terrific season with Ward. Let’s even say it is a record breaking season. A top WR recruit probably isnt going to be impressed. Counterintuitively he will look at Restrepo and think , “Here is a WR that broke records at both UM and in the NFL. He couldn’t even get drafted despite playing in the #1 offense in the country. I am not going to get noticed if I go to Miami.”
 
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TwentySix said:
Fair enough, I wasn’t removing any transition classes from any of them in what I was looking at.

But you’re still wrong on Diaz.

Diaz - 13.5
Richt - 10
Golden - 16
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Diaz’s transitional class was 2019 after Richt abruptly retired.

His first true class, by CIS’ new definition, was 2020 which was 11th. The class of 2021 was 11th. Diaz was only here from 2019-21.
 
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