So, REALLY, how bad is the recruiting?

It's all about the QB, OL, and DL if you want to compete with the big boys. You can be good to average everywhere else (3/Low 4 Star).

We've been getting 2 out of 3.

Gotta crack that DL code somehow.
Well last year it was all about the Secondary. A competent OC is going to attack the weakest spots on your defense. So you really can't neglect any position.

I do agree we need more DTs. Our top 3-4 guys could be pretty good, but we need more depth there.
 
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Missing on the top targets on your board is bad.

Not having a backup plan for replacing them is what causes the hysteria.

The combination of nothing of significance going on right now + not having anybody in the fold as backup plans for these misses is what made people react the way they did.

And then D$'s Foreclosure thread gave the impression that the staff got knocked out in the 6th round of a 12 round fight.

That's really all it is.

What they have to do is pivot & land some more prospects, otherwise, it looks like they just swung & missed on 4 or 5 top prospects on their board & then just packed it up.

They'll keep pursuing some of the misses, but ultimately, they're gonna have to reshuffle the deck & land some solid players in response to their big misses.

Particularly at Safety, RB & WR, they should be aggressively scouring prospects that are either uncommitted, or committed to schools that can't match our NIL deals & applying pressure.

The 2nd tier programs who still manage to sign good players despite not having the strongest financial arrangements are where we should be looking for Fall flips.
The NC ST's, Penn ST, UNC, Baylor, Arkansas, Mizzou, Oklahoma, Miss ST, Kansas, South Carolina, OK ST type programs.
 
The 2nd tier programs who still manage to sign good players despite not having the strongest financial arrangements are where we should be looking for Fall flips.
The NC ST's, Penn ST, UNC, Baylor, Arkansas, Mizzou, Oklahoma, Miss ST, Kansas, South Carolina, OK ST type programs.
Truly curious if a lot of these are still in that category of not having the strongest financial arrangements. Baylor seems to be throwing big money around right now. Mizzou has been for a few years. Oklahoma, OkSt, UNC, etc have money if they want to use it.

Agree with your overall point. Just wonder how far down the line teams are going to have to go to find those kind of schools these days.
 
Truly curious if a lot of these are still in that category of not having the strongest financial arrangements. Baylor seems to be throwing big money around right now. Mizzou has been for a few years. Oklahoma, OkSt, UNC, etc have money if they want to use it.

Agree with your overall point. Just wonder how far down the line teams are going to have to go to find those kind of schools these days.
Take a look at their current recruiting rankings...

If they have a lot of money, they're not spending it.
 
My suspicion is that they have a lot of money, but that the Agents are directing recruits towards the more established programs.

Leaving Ward out on the field without a shot at the Playoffs probably did more damage to our reputation than is generally acknowledged. That's on our coaches, not just Guidry, Mario included.

We have to start getting the reputation as a Playoff Program that doesn't sh*t the Bed in November. The Dolphins do that. That shouldn't be us. That should be a problem for the guys across town in Davie, not us.
 
I had to take a step back from myself out of the Misery Puddle this place has become in the last couple days and start to compile some facts and data.

Full disclosure, I'm not saying people shouldn't be concerned, I'm not saying everyone should say everything is lollipops and ice cream, etc. In the 2026 class, we've gone after a ton of big fish, and recently, we've missed on **** near every one of them. So, I get the mood, genunely.

Full disclosure #2...it's July. Again, see the point above, I get it. But until this class is signed, for the positives and negatives, let's just try to have some perspective.

Full disclosure #3....this does NOT take into account attrition, on-field performance once the kids arrive, etc. Obviously this is what it's all about, but right now, we're all smacking our wives around and kicking our dogs because the 2026 class is going to cause the collapse of Western Civilization, and obviously we have no idea how any of these kids will pan out. So this is purely recruiting rankings, which is all we care about in July for an upcoming class.

I looked at the last 3 classes, on the composite, and averaged them. Here is the average of the last 3 classes for every school up to where we stand.

1. UGA - 1.67
2. Alabama - 2.00
3. Texas - 3.33
4. Ohio State - 4.33
5. Oregon - 5.67
6. LSU - 7.33
7. Miami - 8.33
8. Oklahoma - 10.33
9. Notre Dame - 11.00
10. Florida - 11.00

18. FSU - 17.00

So there are exactly six schools in the entire country who have recruited better classes than Miami over the last 3 cycles. Only 7 schools have an average class ranking in the single digits over the past 3 cycles, Miami is one of them.

The mopery has even gotten to me a little bit in the sense that I'm starting to really examine Miami's recruiting ceiling. But look at this. Is there anyone here who thinks there's any coach on the planet we could have hired who would have us ABOVE UGA, Alabama, Texas, or Taint at this point? Show of hands? Who has a name for me that, if hired the same day Mario was, would have us in the top 4? I'm going with zero point zero humans. So....is this really that terrible? Genuinely, I was curious myself, it's been a long time since I looked at this data like this, so I wanted to see where we stood. This kind of reels me in a little bit.

Now, one final mope before I go, the 2025 class was the worst of the three. And 2026, RIGHT NOW, looks to be about the same. So again, I genuinely do get the pessimism. I don't think people are crazy for shaking their heads a little bit here. But let's use a tiny bit of perspective and look big picture. Let's see where this class ends up in December and we can go from there. Because though the 3 real cycles this dude has had here, #7 is pretty **** elite if you ask me. Every single one of those programs above us have been WILDLY more successful than we have in the past 20 years.
Well said, the thing with Mario is, we will always have a top 10 talented roster year in and year out here. Will it sometimes be more through recruiting or sometimes more through the transfer portal, it really doesn’t matter if you always have a top 10 roster going into the season. I think what has people the biggest up in arms is, we were fire hot in June and then it all seemed to come crashing down in July but that’s recruiting sometimes so what can you do. I will say this, behind the scenes there is a disconnect between the staff and South Florida, and that needs to get fixed. But either way, we have a top 10 class right now and way less players in our class than most of the people ahead of us, oh and the number one player in the class. So I’m happy.
 
It’s better than previous HCs but not good enough to crack into being a top tier program. The blue bloods have adapted to NIL it’s pretty much over bruh trust me
What’s over man, what are you talking about on here? Do you just like to come on here and say things that aren’t in reality? We have the number one player in the country in our class right now. So what exactly is over?
 
Missing on the top targets on your board is bad.

Not having a backup plan for replacing them is what causes the hysteria.

The combination of nothing of significance going on right now + not having anybody in the fold as backup plans for these misses is what made people react the way they did.

And then D$'s Foreclosure thread gave the impression that the staff got knocked out in the 6th round of a 12 round fight.

That's really all it is.

What they have to do is pivot & land some more prospects, otherwise, it looks like they just swung & missed on 4 or 5 top prospects on their board & then just packed it up.

They'll keep pursuing some of the misses, but ultimately, they're gonna have to reshuffle the deck & land some solid players in response to their big misses.

Particularly at Safety, RB & WR, they should be aggressively scouring prospects that are either uncommitted, or committed to schools that can't match our NIL deals & applying pressure.

The 2nd tier programs who still manage to sign good players despite not having the strongest financial arrangements are where we should be looking for Fall flips.
The NC ST's, Penn ST, UNC, Baylor, Arkansas, Mizzou, Oklahoma, Miss ST, Kansas, South Carolina, OK ST type programs.
See the bold and underlined

/QED
 
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I mean Clemson literally won a Championship with White Boy LBs who you can't name right now. That year they smacked us in the Championship Game they had White Boys who literally wasn't that good. Just played smart Football.
Those white boy linebackers had measurable’s that Cory Flagg never had. So let’s make sure we get that straight!
 
Clemson Oregon and Georgia missed on Atkinson. Def got foreclosed with us
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Mario has a done a great job if you ask me. He just needs to change our Recruiting Philosophy. The Clemson model is what I called it.

Elite DBs and 2 Warrior DTs, Hybrid DE, Booker Pickett Type DE. Corey Flagg LBs.

3 Best WRs, Fastest RB, 2 OT, Developmental Gs and Cs. Game Manager QB.

How much would that be per class? I don't know.
clemson spends heavily at QB, DL, WR, OT.
 
We are 10th in composite team rankings this year. Just ahead of Clemson for #1 in ACC. Everybody else ahead of us are in P2 or ND. Guys we got so far this year look great. Guys we missed out on, eh not so great, especially when they live within spitting distance of the school.

Leaving this dog **** conference for P2 would be best thing to happen, but not really something we can control in immediate term. We want to win more of these battles against the P2, best course of action would be to win the ACC, make the playoff, and not embarrass ourselves in the playoff. Coach has to be better, and hopefully with Hetherman we have a DC that is gonna be better than most OCs he goes against (like I think is generally true for Dawson in reverse).

Like some others have pointed out we gotta become elite at finding high value players at positions of need that the biggest schools aren't interested in. We're not gonna make a leap betting that we are going to win more battles for 5*s against UGA/Texas/etc than we'll lose. We're stuck in this conference in the near term and our rep as a progrum is what it is after the last 2 decades. The former we can't control, the latter we can but it will take time.

I just want us to win more important games, stop losing to Georgia tech, and become elite talent evaluators. We'll be fine if all that happens, IMO. Eventually the conference stuff will work itself out.

Season can't start soon enough lol
 
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Missing on the top targets on your board is bad.

Not having a backup plan for replacing them is what causes the hysteria.

The combination of nothing of significance going on right now + not having anybody in the fold as backup plans for these misses is what made people react the way they did.

And then D$'s Foreclosure thread gave the impression that the staff got knocked out in the 6th round of a 12 round fight.

That's really all it is.

What they have to do is pivot & land some more prospects, otherwise, it looks like they just swung & missed on 4 or 5 top prospects on their board & then just packed it up.

They'll keep pursuing some of the misses, but ultimately, they're gonna have to reshuffle the deck & land some solid players in response to their big misses.

Particularly at Safety, RB & WR, they should be aggressively scouring prospects that are either uncommitted, or committed to schools that can't match our NIL deals & applying pressure.

The 2nd tier programs who still manage to sign good players despite not having the strongest financial arrangements are where we should be looking for Fall flips.
The NC ST's, Penn ST, UNC, Baylor, Arkansas, Mizzou, Oklahoma, Miss ST, Kansas, South Carolina, OK ST type programs.
Taking recruits from those schools is basically packing it up lol. This post is spot on though
 
What’s over man, what are you talking about on here? Do you just like to come on here and say things that aren’t in reality? We have the number one player in the country in our class right now. So what exactly is over?
One player can’t change anything, that’s one player bruh. Come on you should know better. And over I mean like future natty. That’s the goal always, is to rise to a top tier program yearly.
 
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