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Morey161 said:
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DMoney said:
I am not that concerned with WR in 2016. Huge playing time opportunity and Kaaya will be a star by then.

Pinder and Newbold are also still out there in the mix. Long time until 2016.
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We say this every year at just about every position.
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Can you honestly remember when WR was actually a problem at Miami?
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Last I recall was when Brian Monroe was our 4th WR, and the following year it was Darnell Jenkins and Alligator arms Leggett. Randy did shore up the cupboard there at least.
 
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Some of these kids like Craig, Snelson, Richards, Bruce, Mullins, Stove, Newbold, Pinder, Victor, Salomon, Marcus, Cavin. Have that elite ability that you want at the position. They have the ability to be like some of the greats before them that have come out of the state of Florida.


We need to stack the chips as much as possible that year. And the reason being. Those will be some of Lawson and Allison key targets. Especially if we don't land Calvin Ridley we should stack.

By the time the 2016 class comes in, this is what we have without them.

rsSR Lewis
SR Coley (If he stays, pending if he breaks out of sophomore slump. He is the type that's a 3 and done if everything goes well.)
JR Berrios
rsSO Brady
rsSO Gray (If he moves to WR, which I expect.)
rsSO Langham
rFR or SO Chatman
rFR or SO Peete


Thats 8 on the roster. With three hypotheticals in Coley with draft, Gray with position move, and Peete if he comes which I expect him to.

I don't expect Dmauri Jones to stick around. And transfers always ALWAYS happen, their could be less than the 8 I listed.

I will put in pending category.... Spence, Callaway and Gossier. Idk if Spence sticks at this point. Callaway a toss up, nobody knows where he's gonna go yet. Gossier is a major project.


After that 2016 season. You really only got 6 on the roster not including any transfers, injuries or any other issues like non developed or busts. 2016 is the year we should stack up, so those 2016 kids could be ready to step in if needed by 2017.


We should stack up in 2016 not only because of the major talent surplus compared to many previous years. But because we are going to need it.
 
Geo305 said:
Some of these kids like Craig, Snelson, Richards, Bruce, Mullins, Stove, Newbold, Pinder, Victor, Salomon, Marcus, Cavin. Have that elite ability that you want at the position. They have the ability to be like some of the greats before them that have come out of the state of Florida.


We need to stack the chips as much as possible that year. And the reason being. Those will be some of Lawson and Allison key targets. Especially if we don't land Calvin Ridley we should stack.

By the time the 2016 class comes in, this is what we have without them.

rsSR Lewis
SR Coley (If he stays, pending if he breaks out of sophomore slump. He is the type that's a 3 and done if everything goes well.)
JR Berrios
rsSO Brady
rsSO Gray (If he moves to WR, which I expect.)
rsSO Langham
rFR or SO Chatman
rFR or SO Peete


Thats 8 on the roster. With three hypotheticals in Coley with draft, Gray with position move, and Peete if he comes which I expect him to.

I don't expect Dmauri Jones to stick around. And transfers always ALWAYS happen, their could be less than the 8 I listed.

I will put in pending category.... Spence, Callaway and Gossier. Idk if Spence sticks at this point. Callaway a toss up, nobody knows where he's gonna go yet. Gossier is a major project.


After that 2016 season. You really only got 6 on the roster not including any transfers, injuries or any other issues like non developed or busts. 2016 is the year we should stack up, so those 2016 kids could be ready to step in if needed by 2017.


We should stack up in 2016 not only because of the major talent surplus compared to many previous years. But because we are going to need it.
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Buddy do you even know how scholarship numbers and roster breakdowns work? Given that we are a pro style offense we need between 8-13 WRs. I don't really understand your listing since you're removing people who are committed and adding people who aren't but I'll just use the official roster and who we have committed. We have 7 soph/fr WR currently on the roster or did you process Jones already and forget that Njoku was still playing WR after attempting to try him at different positions last fall? That doesn't even include Gray who is listed as a RB/WR so assume Stacy leaves Gray would still be counted as a possible WR and leave us w/ 7 on the roster. Also we currently have 3 WR committed, it doesn't matter who sticks and who doesn't as of now we have 3 WR's committed and it gives us a general idea of what we want at WR this class which is 3 maybe 4. That will put us at 10. We also have 3/4 commits for 16 again it doesn't matter who sticks we have a general idea of what they were looking for for 2016 which was 3/4. Remember when the kids were committing last summer they said they were trying to get their spot because we we're only taking a certain # at the position (Richards has thrown that # out of whack because he's turned out to be an elite WR)and as I told you BC was trying to get someone else to commit before a certain WR that Pete just told you surprised the staff by wanting to commit early did. You don't over sign a position unless it's for a game changer late in process. You have a number and you try to stick to it give or take 1. That's why FSU turned down an elite back like Jordan because Jimbo has his number which appears to be 5 (ideal # for prostyle offense is 4-6 for RB).

That's not even taking into account that we will be going into year 3 of our scholarship reduction numbers since I haven't seen anything saying the NCAA is going to make the reduction penalty retroactive. That means we have to be at 76 by 2016. With that in mind we can't even really use the 41/41/3 breakdown so you definitely don't want to tie up 16/17 scholarships with WR's. Also if you think 2017 doesn't have elite WR's you're crazy. Like I said before WR is and never will be a problem in sfl. I can start naming names through 2020 if you need me to of kids who can/will be elite at the position. You don't need a surplus of top WR's since you don't ever need to sign more than 3/4 in any class tops unless someone seriously f'd up recruiting the position in the past (ala Coker).
 
am1640 said:
Buddy do you even know how scholarship numbers and roster breakdowns work? Given that we are a pro style offense we need between 8-13 WRs. I don't really understand your listing since you're removing people who are committed and adding people who aren't but I'll just use the official roster and who we have committed. We have 7 soph/fr WR currently on the roster or did you process Jones already and forget that Njoku was still playing WR after attempting to try him at different positions last fall? That doesn't even include Gray who is listed as a RB/WR so assume Stacy leaves Gray would still be counted as a possible WR and leave us w/ 7 on the roster. Also we currently have 3 WR committed, it doesn't matter who sticks and who doesn't as of now we have 3 WR's committed and it gives us a general idea of what we want at WR this class which is 3 maybe 4. That will put us at 10. We also have 3/4 commits for 16 again it doesn't matter who sticks we have a general idea of what they were looking for for 2016 which was 3/4. Remember when the kids were committing last summer they said they were trying to get their spot because we we're only taking a certain # at the position (Richards has thrown that # out of whack because he's turned out to be an elite WR)and as I told you BC was trying to get someone else to commit before a certain WR that Pete just told you surprised the staff by wanting to commit early did. You don't over sign a position unless it's for a game changer late in process. You have a number and you try to stick to it give or take 1. That's why FSU turned down an elite back like Jordan because Jimbo has his number which appears to be 5 (ideal # for prostyle offense is 4-6 for RB).

That's not even taking into account that we will be going into year 3 of our scholarship reduction numbers since I haven't seen anything saying the NCAA is going to make the reduction penalty retroactive. That means we have to be at 76 by 2016. With that in mind we can't even really use the 41/41/3 breakdown so you definitely don't want to tie up 16/17 scholarships with WR's. Also if you think 2017 doesn't have elite WR's you're crazy. Like I said before WR is and never will be a problem in sfl. I can start naming names through 2020 if you need me to of kids who can/will be elite at the position. You don't need a surplus of top WR's since you don't ever need to sign more than 3/4 in any class tops unless someone seriously f'd up recruiting the position in the past (ala Coker).
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I do understand roster numbers and scholarships and our reductions. We only need to take 1 less in 2016 & 2017 with what we are looking class wise for 2015 class and our roster numbers right now.

Kids always transfer or leave, or whatever the case may be. You still must recruit the position. Some kids don't pan out either. You can't bet the bank on every kid to pan out, it doesn't work like that.

I do not list Jones, for my reasons. He's been passed up by two true freshman and other younger players. He got his number yanked by a true freshman QB. And he is already in his 3rd year in the program this season. I don't see him sticking around. That's my opinion.

Njoku is on his way to outgrowing WR. Staff is still trying to find his spot. The kid is 230 as an incoming freshman from high school. If you don't see him outgrowing WR I don't know what to tell you. Another year of strength and conditioning. Next year he'll be in the 240s range or maybe more. I don't see many 240+ receivers running around playing football to be honest with you.

Gray you must have missed it on my post but I also listed him as a possible receiver.

As well as I listed Coley as a possible 3 and out player to the draft.








Why did I take off current commits from 2015? Staff hasn't been contacting Spence much if at all lately and he might flip to Auburn. I added Peete cause it is the worst kept secret that he is a Miami lean. I took off Gosier cause at this point, no one knows what position he will be, he is a major project.

And if you don't think someone would be dropped to add Peete and/or Callaway you're a funny dude. Only way Miami would even go up to 4 receivers in 2015 class is if someone like Ridley or Phillips surprises us and wants in. 2-3 will be taken for 2015 and the reason why is because of the surplus that is 2016.


Chatman is the one who's spot is comfortable. But we have to watch for LSU to try and pry him off Miami.





If you believe FSU is really passing on Jordan Scarlett, you are smoking some very good ****.


I don't care about what he/she or whom said whatever about what a recruit says about certain position numbers to be taken. Only staff knows the numbers.

Jordan Cronkite thought Miami was taking two backs. We went up to as much as 4 with him. He decommited like I expected him to when Walton reclassified. If I go by your numbers. We would have 6 runningbacks on roster next year not including Duke and if Gray sticks at RB. So were gonna pass on stud RBs like McIntosh and Rasul because we would end up with 8? I highly doubt that, things work themselves out. They always do.






So you'll sit here and tell me Miami won't add another 1-3 receivers in the 2016 class? Trust me, if that's what you believe you will be surprised my friend. They will not pass on guys like Pinder, Newbold, Victor, Marcus, etc. if they want in. I expect at the very least another 2 added. Pie Young will be taken as an athlete so I don't count him at WR if he wants in.

Why do I expect 6-7? Cause some are capable of playing other positions if need be. Would you rather Pinder or Newbold blow up somewhere else?


I always hear, the next year. The next year. NO. 2016 is the premiere year of the receiver. No other year is as stacked as 2016 at receiver. I dare you to challenge that.


2017 yes. It does have stud receivers like Greene, Grimes, Jeudy, Henley and Matthews(He ain't coming, he's all FSU) but not the surplus the state has for 2016.

Matthews is a FSU commit. Grimes despite being at STA is very close with Cris Carter and loves OSU. So those two just might be out of our waters. Jeudy? Jeudy will follow the Ridley brothers and SBB wherever they go. So you really got Greene and Henley and then to try to stick on Grimes and pry him off OSU.

2016 is a very loaded year where a Cane Legacy and solid recruit like Brandon Johnson could very well be passed on compared to other years.

You find me a year that's as packed with the legit WR talent in the state as 2016 and prove me wrong. I'm not saying this for the **** of it.




And I would love for you to name those receivers you are talking about up until 2020. Would gladly add them to the database.
 
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Kids don't always pan out. Transfers happen. Injuries happen. 2017 will be the more selective year where it's probably 2, at the most 3 that year at the position. Yeah theirs WR talent every year but not the overload that 2016 has.

I don't see us getting Ridley or Phillips. So realistically on the board left is Peete and Callaway. And I don't see staff adding them and not dropping 2. It's already in motion.

Lot of the 2016 kids were still going after at receiver have more upside than the ones we have committed for 2015(excluding Chatman) or could realistically get.
 
We will not got Victor. Miami is slow playing him. They have other guys higher on their board. We could get Mullens but he won't come unless the defensive coaching staff changes. This all coming from a broward coach down there. But there's still plenty of talent left In '16
 
Anyone saying Ridley and Becker are not in play has not been paying attention to recruiting the past 10 years
 
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Fountain of Canes said:
jerzeycane said:
Anyone saying Ridley and Becker are not in play has not been paying attention to recruiting the past 10 years
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I have not been paying attention to recruiting this past 10 years. what makes you say this?
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this should get interesting...
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01Canes said:
Geo...

The younger Ridley no shot unless Calvin and SBB come to Miami, and he does not have a definite position yet, could end up a RB or WR.
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Cavin is a wide receiver and an elite one. See 58:38 and 1:09:30 against Coconut Creek from last weekend. I assume we're not getting either Ridley, but Cavin will be a WR in college.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGF4mkFGd4
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I know from what was said in the past that he can play both positions. I have watched him and like him at receiver. He is a bit bigger than his older brother too. Thing is, he's gonna follow them wherever they go. I do know Cavin liked UF in the past but that was a long while ago. Another bad situation is his grades, he did not play football at all as sophomore due to that issue.


Great plays by Cavin btw. If Ridley and SBB were committed to Miami. I would sing a different tune and expect the younger Ridley to give us a legitimate shot.
 
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jerzeycane said:
Anyone saying Ridley and Becker are not in play has not been paying attention to recruiting the past 10 years
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Ridley and SBB are definitely still in play. But some pieces have to fall in place. Beat FSU, the heat will turn up. Get them on a visit in December or January and finish the deal. And also bringing Hoggins on board could play some factor. For now though. Bama for them. They definitely are listening though and watching.
 
01Canes said:
Geo...

The younger Ridley no shot unless Calvin and SBB come to Miami, and he does not have a definite position yet, could end up a RB or WR.
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Cavin is a wide receiver and an elite one. See 58:38 and 1:09:30 against Coconut Creek from last weekend. I assume we're not getting either Ridley, but Cavin will be a WR in college.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGF4mkFGd4
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he's not a RB I don't know where that came from he played WR in lil league. Matter of fact him and Salomon played on the same team together for Coach Richie @ PPO a few years ago and Cavin was beasting at WR then.
 
am1640 said:
01Canes said:
Geo...

The younger Ridley no shot unless Calvin and SBB come to Miami, and he does not have a definite position yet, could end up a RB or WR.
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Cavin is a wide receiver and an elite one. See 58:38 and 1:09:30 against Coconut Creek from last weekend. I assume we're not getting either Ridley, but Cavin will be a WR in college.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGF4mkFGd4
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he's not a RB I don't know where that came from he played WR in lil league. Matter of fact him and Salomon played on the same team together for Coach Richie @ PPO a few years ago and Cavin was beasting at WR then.
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Was mentioned before the season that they weren't sure whether they would use Cavin at RB or WR before he suited up for Monarch this year. Due to having Calvin, SBB and Jeudy already there. I view it as more of a positive than negative that he could play RB, he's versatile.

Sam Bruce played some RB before he moved to full time at WR after his freshman year at USchool. As well as he could play defense, before he came into high school he won defensive MVP at the eastbay youth all-American game playing Corner.
 
Geo305 said:
am1640 said:
01Canes said:
Geo...

The younger Ridley no shot unless Calvin and SBB come to Miami, and he does not have a definite position yet, could end up a RB or WR.
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Cavin is a wide receiver and an elite one. See 58:38 and 1:09:30 against Coconut Creek from last weekend. I assume we're not getting either Ridley, but Cavin will be a WR in college.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGF4mkFGd4
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he's not a RB I don't know where that came from he played WR in lil league. Matter of fact him and Salomon played on the same team together for Coach Richie @ PPO a few years ago and Cavin was beasting at WR then.
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Was mentioned before the season that they weren't sure whether they would use Cavin at RB or WR before he suited up for Monarch this year. Due to having Calvin, SBB and Jeudy already there. I view it as more of a positive than negative that he could play RB, he's versatile.

Sam Bruce played some RB before he moved to full time at WR after his freshman year at USchool. As well as he could play defense, before he came into high school he won defensive MVP at the eastbay youth all-American game playing Corner.
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Bruce played RB in optimist at Lauderhill that's why he was playing RB his freshman year. That's what he came out of optimist playing. Causey started out at RB at US also, because he played RB at PPO the season before. The list goes on and on of kids who played in the backfield and ended up on the outside in HS. Kids don't go from playing on the outside in optimist into the backfield in HS, they move the opposite way. If a kid makes the move to WR while he's still in lil league than he's a WR.
 
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am1640 said:
Geo305 said:
am1640 said:
01Canes said:
Geo...

The younger Ridley no shot unless Calvin and SBB come to Miami, and he does not have a definite position yet, could end up a RB or WR.
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Cavin is a wide receiver and an elite one. See 58:38 and 1:09:30 against Coconut Creek from last weekend. I assume we're not getting either Ridley, but Cavin will be a WR in college.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGF4mkFGd4
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he's not a RB I don't know where that came from he played WR in lil league. Matter of fact him and Salomon played on the same team together for Coach Richie @ PPO a few years ago and Cavin was beasting at WR then.
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Was mentioned before the season that they weren't sure whether they would use Cavin at RB or WR before he suited up for Monarch this year. Due to having Calvin, SBB and Jeudy already there. I view it as more of a positive than negative that he could play RB, he's versatile.

Sam Bruce played some RB before he moved to full time at WR after his freshman year at USchool. As well as he could play defense, before he came into high school he won defensive MVP at the eastbay youth all-American game playing Corner.
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Bruce played RB in optimist at Lauderhill that's why he was playing RB his freshman year. That's what he came out of optimist playing. Causey started out at RB at US also, because he played RB at PPO the season before. The list goes on and on of kids who played in the backfield and ended up on the outside in HS. Kids don't go from playing on the outside in optimist into the backfield in HS, they move the opposite way. If a kid makes the move to WR while he's still in lil league than he's a WR.
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I know. For the Lauderhill Lions. Was invited to the all star game as a receiver though but ended up playing corner at the all star game.

I understand what your saying. But Cavin and the talk about RB or WR is not fluff. It was discussed over the offseason. He has more of a WR body IMO.

Theirs many kids that can play both and I believe it speaks level to their athleticism. Keyshawn "Pie" Young from Miami High for example.
 
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