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kryptonite said:
I see you're new to CIS, I'm gonna help you out. Around here all that matters is speed. The fastest guy is always the best guy and if he's not playing it's because the coaches are blind/stupid/biased. You won't go wrong if you apply this logic to all positions. Just pick a physical atribute and rank everyone based on that. For example, all that matters in a QB is arm strength. Good luck.
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So my question is, is it really about being “smart” v. being a relentless worker? U can understand routes all day long, but if u can’t catch, then for what?

I look at guys like Payton, Rice, Playmaker, Dre, ****erson, Largent, etc and they all had one thing in common.....tireless workers looking to improve every minute.

Think what sets our WRs apart from today v. yesterday is work ethics. Our WRs combined both speed, athleticism, along w a sick work ethic. They were trying to prove they were the best in the nation and in the locker room.

I mentioned months ago that Bama WRs push each other by playing rock, paper, scissors as to who’s going to score the next TD. That used to be us. We were blessed to have great WR coaches here yesteryear to help press these buttons, as well.
 
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edge said:
JT4 made a super smart play against FSU when he pass interfered and broke up a sure interception. I believe that saved 3 points. I have been clamoring for a long time that we don’t have a smart football team. Earlier in the year JT had a chance to make that same play and did not. Maybe we are turning the corner in that aspect.
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Facts , smartest play any of our receivers have made in recent years
 
rashawn scott in 2015 is another one... very low 3 star player who had more catches/yards/TDs than a bunch of guys who were NFL draft picks. and briefly made it onto an NFL roster as well.
 
D$ I agree with your premise overall, but you're also leaving out how much playing in an Offensive system can impact a WR's productivity.

Tutu Atwell has more yards, receptions & TD's than any WR on our roster as a True Sophomore & he was a QB in HS.

That's not to say he's not a smart football player & kid in general because he is, but he's brand new to WR & is already among the most productive in the ACC, that's because he plays in an offense that conducive to putting their best playmakers in a position to make plays often.

Omar Bayless leads the nation in yards & receiving TD's while at Ark St, how much of that is because of his Mensa score or that Blake Anderson/Keith Heckendorf Offense that came from Fedora at Southern Miss & UNC?

Devin Duvernay is one of the best WR's in the nation, top 10-15 in every category & was a high 4-star come in out of HS. He started since he was a TF & only missed time his Soph year due to injury, he's going to get drafted because he was developed correctly & played in a system that utilized his skill set.

LSU has 2 WR's in the top 10-20 in yards, receptions & TD's, Justin Jefferson & Ja'Marr Chase, so does SMU with James Proche & Reggie Roberson, again not taking away from their football intelligence but there's a clear & direct correlation to the scheme they play in & the numbers they put up.

No one would ever argue that having smart WR's aren't necessary & beneficial to your team, but the reason why the "smart" WR's seem to do well more at Miami in the recent years is because we don't play an offense that would allow for a WR to thrive in the same way that other systems do. When you play in a penny pincher offense like ours you better be a smart route technician that can block because your opportunities to play wide open & stretch the field rarely come.

Wiggins & JT4 showed in both the Va Tech & FSU games what happens when we spread it out & let the ball fly. Not taking anything away from KJ, he's a great WR for us & I wish he had another year of eligibility, but there's a decided difference in how the game looks when we allow our talent to thrive & put them in position to be impactful instead of stifling & bogging them down with average play calling.
 
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SayWhat said:
Patriots always have the smartest if not too three teams in the NFL per Wonderlic. I remember a story on that a few years ago.

I get what you're saying, but application of what you have in totality is what matters.

You aren't in a position though to talk about brains regarding our players. This approach that you've taken is more palatable.

KJ is a worker. Misevaluated as well. Again, totality.
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Patriots usually have the highest number of college graduates.
 
Dorsett has wheels, but not sure he'd classify as a smart or crafty receiver. Capable of dropping a few balls, too.
 
Rellyrell said:
So my question is, is it really about being “smart” v. being a relentless worker? U can understand routes all day long, but if u can’t catch, then for what?

I look at guys like Payton, Rice, Playmaker, Dre, ****erson, Largent, etc and they all had one thing in common.....tireless workers looking to improve every minute.

Think what sets our WRs apart from today v. yesterday is work ethics. Our WRs combined both speed, athleticism, along w a sick work ethic. They were trying to prove they were the best in the nation and in the locker room.

I mentioned months ago that Bama WRs push each other by playing rock, paper, scissors as to who’s going to score the next TD. That used to be us. We were blessed to have great WR coaches here yesteryear to help press these buttons, as well.
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I think work is part of what he's saying. Smart guys know talent only gets you so far, eventually it's work that makes the difference.
 
kryptonite said:
I see you're new to CIS, I'm gonna help you out. Around here all that matters is speed. The fastest guy is always the best guy and if he's not playing it's because the coaches are blind/stupid/biased. You won't go wrong if you apply this logic to all positions. Just pick a physical atribute and rank everyone based on that. For example, all that matters in a QB is arm strength. Good luck.
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kryptonite said:
I think work is part of what he's saying. Smart guys know talent only gets you so far, eventually it's work that makes the difference.
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So here’s my next ?; if 3/4’s of our starting WR have had the problem of not playing “smart” each season, then who does that fall under? Every year, we’re only naming 1 WR that’s standing out each season. How is that possible yr in & out?
 
Rellyrell said:
So here’s my next ?; if 3/4’s of our starting WR have had the problem of not playing “smart” each season, then who does that fall under? Every year, we’re only naming 1 WR that’s standing out each season. How is that possible yr in & out?
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I'm guessing "coaching" is what you're looking for here, and you're not wrong. I think there are only so many plays per game (and we play slow) so guys only get so many chances. Whoever starts to stand out probably gets more looks and furthers his lead in receptions and yards. I don't think it's uncommon to have a WR who gets the most targets and yards by a wide margin. So to some degree I think this is to be expected, but obviously our coaching has been lacking for a long time.
 
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ThomasM said:
Reggie Wayne is a perfect example. Great player, but not physically dominant. Great hands and great routes are very, very important.
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ThomasM said:
Reggie Wayne is a perfect example. Great player, but not physically dominant. Great hands and great routes are very, very important.
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In college Wayne was very dominant. In the NFL he was All-Pro!
 
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DMoney said:
Nobody said it was just about brains. You need talent. But we rarely talk about brains at the WR position. We focus on other things.

A couple former NFL scouts have a podcast (Move the Sticks) where they were going over their misses at WR, and they noted that they tended to undervalue things like brains and toughness in their WR evaluations.

That made me look at the Hurricanes and it was clear that the guys with the best mental approach were having the most success. Hurns, Dorsett and Berrios are all exceptional in that category, and KJ Osborn is currently outplaying a depth chart full of four stars.
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I think brains and toughness applies at every position. It’s football character and it’s enormously important to the success of players at every position and the team in general.

You need at least a baseline level of talent to put yourself in a position to succeed, but you need way more than speed and jumping ability to be great.
 
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