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-- The decision to let Borregales kick a 57-yard field goal vs Louisville
-- The onside kick vs NC State
-- Kicking a field goal in the fourth quarter inside the 10-yard line instead of going for a TD. Made the score 41-37. Trusted the D. We went ahead with a touchdown.

I don't remember those kinds of calls last year. Is he growing as a game day coach or is it a case of even a broken clock is right two times a day?
 
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this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
 
Manny is learning how to win as a coach as well as our plyers learning how to win tough games. I like Manny and I like our team.
All we can do is go 1-0 this week, that' all. Nothing else matters. We will judge this team again on Saturday. Do they pass the test or not.
I think we do, but it will be a battle. Looking forward to having Bloody Mary's starting at 10am thru the end of the game and hopefully, a cigar at the end (by halftime would be nice!). GO CANES!!! :11263272045-489f4f7972-o:
 
rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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Agreed, rayray, but it worked out so I will take it. But, the D was playing lights out the whole 4th quarter
 
That onside kick was a squib kick gone wrong (except right in this situation). Since NC state got a 15 yard penalty on the kickoff most teams will squib to take advantage of that. Since there is less field to cover the kicking team can reach the returners quickly so they squib it in hopes of getting them inside the 25, rather than a regular kick which would be a touchback.

If you look at the Borregales "onside kick" he is kicking it extremely hard and very much like a squib kick, nothing like the onside kicks he has done before. It just so happens that it hit one of the NC State players. But with the speed of the ball off the kick, even if it was on purpose, there was no chance that it would of worked more than 20% of the time. If they wanted to onside kick it they would of done their usual setup (in terms of speed and bounce, obviously not alignment)
 
rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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Disagree. Taking the 3pts there was an NFL move. Going for it would have been College Football move. I like the NFL mentality at the College level.
 
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Martycane said:
-- The decision to let Borregales kick a 57-yard field goal vs Louisville
-- The onside kick vs NC State
-- Kicking a field goal in the fourth quarter inside the 10-yard line instead of going for a TD. Made the score 41-37. Trusted the D. We went ahead with a touchdown.

I don't remember those kinds of calls last year. Is he growing as a game day coach or is it a case of even a broken clock is right two times a day?
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The guy is a 2nd year head coach. He's going to have ups and downs he's not a vet like the coaches at other top programs(alabama, clemson, etc) that he's compared to for some ridiculous reason.
 
rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why so many people on this board think that the FG was a good decision. We all (rightfully) laughed at Narduzzi kicking a FG from the 1 when down 7, but Manny kicking from the 6 down 7 is somehow smart? You don't even need advanced stats to see that 3 is a smaller number than 7, and since there is no 4 point play, taking 3 there is meaningless, since you still need to get 7. This isn't pawn stars, you can't negotiate like "we need 7" "best I can do is 3"
 
rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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We'retheBoss said:
Yeah, I'm not sure why so many people on this board think that the FG was a good decision. We all (rightfully) laughed at Narduzzi kicking a FG from the 1 when down 7, but Manny kicking from the 6 down 7 is somehow smart? You don't even need advanced stats to see that 3 is a smaller number than 7, and since there is no 4 point play, taking 3 there is meaningless, since you still need to get 7. This isn't pawn stars, you can't negotiate like "we need 7" "best I can do is 3"
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Kicking the FG was the right move any way you slice it. Why? Because if you don't get the TD, not only does it put more pressure on the D to get a stop, which they haven't shown the ability of doing all game, but a FG by NC State also makes it a 2 possession game, essentially ending it. Kicking the FG makes it a 1 possession game, even if the D gives up another FG on the next drive, its still a 1 possession game. Conversely he also understood that their Defense was having a tough time stopping his Offense as well. All of the statistical arguments are irrelevant in this instance, because they don't take into account the unique dynamics of this particular game.
 
Apex Predator said:
Kicking the FG was the right move any way you slice it. Why? Because if you don't get the TD, not only does it put more pressure on the D to get a stop, which they haven't shown the ability of doing all game
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there was pressure on the defense either way to stop NC state and get the ball back. allowing them to get a FG isn't a win for the defense, it just means your offense has to go all the way back down the field again just to get a chance at a tying touchdown, with far less time on the clock.
Apex Predator said:
Conversely he also understood that their Defense was having a tough time stopping his Offense as well.
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stop for a second and think about what you're saying. their defense was having a tough time stopping our offense so... let's take the offense off the field to kick a 20 yard field goal? that doesn't make any sense. if you have confidence in your offense let them stay on the field and go for a touchdown.

also, no offense but it's funny to be posting under the name "apex predator" while defending kicking a field goal from inside the 5 yard line.
 
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rayray said:
there was pressure on the defense either way to stop NC state and get the ball back. allowing them to get a FG isn't a win for the defense, it just means your offense has to go all the way back down the field again just to get a chance at a tying touchdown, with far less time on the clock.

stop for a second and think about what you're saying. their defense was having a tough time stopping our offense so... let's take the offense off the field to kick a 20 yard field goal? that doesn't make any sense. if you have confidence in your offense let them stay on the field and go for a touchdown.

also, no offense but it's funny to be posting under the name "apex predator" while defending kicking a field goal from inside the 5 yard line.
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I said there would be more pressure on the D to get a stop, if the Offense didn't score a TD. Even a FG by NC State on the next drive would've essentially ended the game. Also, what you're not taking into consideration is that NC State stopped MIA's Offense 3 straight times inside the red zone before making the decision to kick the FG. Which underscores the pt that it was more difficult to score inside the red zone, than it was scoring outside of it. MIA had over 600 yds of Offense for the game, so putting together a long, methodical drive was not a problem. Red zone Offense was the problem.

Someone who's an Apex Predator tries to win by any means necessary. They could care less about style pts
 
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Martycane said:
-- The decision to let Borregales kick a 57-yard field goal vs Louisville
-- The onside kick vs NC State
-- Kicking a field goal in the fourth quarter inside the 10-yard line instead of going for a TD. Made the score 41-37. Trusted the D. We went ahead with a touchdown.

I don't remember those kinds of calls last year. Is he growing as a game day coach or is it a case of even a broken clock is right two times a day?
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Not saying your wrong but its always easy to say that was a good move after it worked. There was a chance Miami does not score the TD against NC st after the field goal. Then what? Give me tomorrows lottery numbers today and that will be a great call. Getting back to these calls last year how many times did Manny trot out Baxa to win or keep Miami in the game? Too many because it did work.
 
#1cane said:
Not saying your wrong but its always easy to say that was a good move after it worked. There was a chance Miami does not score the TD against NC st after the field goal. Then what? Give me tomorrows lottery numbers today and that will be a great call. Getting back to these calls last year how many times did Manny trot out Baxa to win or keep Miami in the game? Too many because it did work.
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Wouldn't it be easy to say something is a bad move after it didn't work??
 
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