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rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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Disagree completely. You have to also look at the circumstances surrounding each event and not in a vacuum. It was fourth and one and we score but have a bs review stop it to go Review Kings knee. We then line up again and score a second time but get a five yard penalty.

look at the teams body language after that play. **** even me at home dropped my head like man wtf. So you have two touchdowns taken off the board now move back five yards. We lost momentum. We gained some back with the fg.
 
Manny is coaching not to lose. Nothing wrong with that. There are some ways to win but lots of ways to lose. He could have run his tough guy routine and tried to score a td on 4th down but the risk was just too high. Had he failed and lost, he would have not only lost in the game but they would have fallen behind in the chase that the Canes are on to win the ACC right now.

The same people telling him he should have gone for it would be crucifying him today had we lost so there is no victory to be gained trying to appease the fans who want to win in a particular way. It was a good play because we needed it to work and we executed.
 
Whatever Manny’s decision, that series of moves by the refs was straight bull****. To call replay after the play was run and we were in the end zone is ridiculous. I rewatched that series the next day and we get up to the line, snap the ball, runner breaks the plane and all of the sudden the back judge comes running up to stop the play. What the **** did he stop? The play was over with a result of a TD, fair and square but the ref got buzzed to take a look at the previous play’s replay? I wonder if they would have done so and given us our down back had we gotten stuffed on that 4th down. The ACC needs to censure this kind of activity or it just looks like they are trying to sway games away from us like in the old days of Thug U.
 
SBERG said:
Wouldn't it be easy to say something is a bad move after it didn't work??
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Absolutely Monday morning QB works both ways. Win great call lose terrible call it will always be that way. Giving up 41 points and putting faith in your defense to get a stop is a gutsy call. It worked. So its a good call. Give Manny the credit.
 
AHURT12 said:
The guy is a 2nd year head coach. He's going to have ups and downs he's not a vet like the coaches at other top programs(alabama, clemson, etc) that he's compared to for some ridiculous reason.
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According to a bunch of mopes/dopes on here, Dabo should be fired immediately and the school burnt to the ground for losing to ND because they were favored to win and had the better team. Top coaches NEVER do that...................
 
Martycane said:
-- The decision to let Borregales kick a 57-yard field goal vs Louisville
-- The onside kick vs NC State
-- Kicking a field goal in the fourth quarter inside the 10-yard line instead of going for a TD. Made the score 41-37. Trusted the D. We went ahead with a touchdown.

I don't remember those kinds of calls last year. Is he growing as a game day coach or is it a case of even a broken clock is right two times a day?
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this the difference between bubba baxa vs jose
Jose will make any coach look good
Baxa makes any coach look like a corch

manny does not kick those fgs with bubba or if he does he’ll miss and manny is a corch
 
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Going for the FG or a TD is not always black and white. I believe Manny sensed something in his team at that point and believed the D was coming to life and would get the ball back. Also, coming away with no points in that situation would have killed the Mo they had. Risk vs reward.
 
johnnytsunami01 said:
That onside kick was a squib kick gone wrong (except right in this situation). Since NC state got a 15 yard penalty on the kickoff most teams will squib to take advantage of that. Since there is less field to cover the kicking team can reach the returners quickly so they squib it in hopes of getting them inside the 25, rather than a regular kick which would be a touchback.

If you look at the Borregales "onside kick" he is kicking it extremely hard and very much like a squib kick, nothing like the onside kicks he has done before. It just so happens that it hit one of the NC State players. But with the speed of the ball off the kick, even if it was on purpose, there was no chance that it would of worked more than 20% of the time. If they wanted to onside kick it they would of done their usual setup (in terms of speed and bounce, obviously not alignment)
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No way man.... that was intentional. It was not your "traditional" onside kick but thats what caught them off guard. The ball hit the ground a yard in front of the tee and Jose stopped running right after he kicked or topped it and burns was looking for the bounce back. I also don't think that ball makes it beyond the 25 as it was already bouncing.

Also look at NC State's alignment. They had 4 guys right at the 35 yard line, then 2 at the 25 yard line but both were wayyyy outside the hashes and **** near on the #s then 3 on the 15 and 2 in the endzone. There was a hugeeee gap in the middle of the field, it was an alignment someone saw and took advantage of at the right time.

Based on his reaction afterwards, he intended to do it, he stops right after he kicks it then hauls *** to the sideline pumping his fist. you are right maybe it is a low percentage it hits him (maybe not with how accurate he as been), but no denying it hit the ground a yard after he kicked it and it was meant to be a scramble for the ball in the middle of the field that Manny saw as a low risk proposition with the penalty. Even if they recover it they are prob. on their own 35, not awesome field position but not terrible.

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major roll of the dice on the fg from inside the 10, percentages were not with him on that one, but kudos to him
 
We'retheBoss said:
Yeah, I'm not sure why so many people on this board think that the FG was a good decision. We all (rightfully) laughed at Narduzzi kicking a FG from the 1 when down 7, but Manny kicking from the 6 down 7 is somehow smart? You don't even need advanced stats to see that 3 is a smaller number than 7, and since there is no 4 point play, taking 3 there is meaningless, since you still need to get 7. This isn't pawn stars, you can't negotiate like "we need 7" "best I can do is 3"
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There was 6:12 remaining when we kicked it. Plenty of time.
Our D had shut them down.
Our offense was rolling.
We needed 2 scores to WIN in regulation.

I was 60/40 for it.
I wanted the TD but we needed to get points there to keep the mo going, especially after having the TD taken away from us via "previous play under review".
 
If that cat can skip a golf ball off the water 3 times for a hole-n-one at Augusta, I can’t help but think Bo has a good chance to hit one of these cats with a football from 10 yards. He’s truly an epic kicker.
 
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AHURT12 said:
The guy is a 2nd year head coach. He's going to have ups and downs he's not a vet like the coaches at other top programs(alabama, clemson, etc) that he's compared to for some ridiculous reason.
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Did you watch the Clemson game? Dabo's field goal before half by a veteran natty championship head coach was one of the dumbest moves ever. Game day management by coaches is mind boggling.
 
Cookie917 said:
No way man.... that was intentional. It was not your "traditional" onside kick but thats what caught them off guard. The ball hit the ground a yard in front of the tee and Jose stopped running right after he kicked or topped it and burns was looking for the bounce back. I also don't think that ball makes it beyond the 25 as it was already bouncing.

Also look at NC State's alignment. They had 4 guys right at the 35 yard line, then 2 at the 25 yard line but both were wayyyy outside the hashes and **** near on the #s then 3 on the 15 and 2 in the endzone. There was a hugeeee gap in the middle of the field, it was an alignment someone saw and took advantage of at the right time.

Based on his reaction afterwards, he intended to do it, he stops right after he kicks it then hauls *** to the sideline pumping his fist. you are right maybe it is a low percentage it hits him (maybe not with how accurate he as been), but no denying it hit the ground a yard after he kicked it and it was meant to be a scramble for the ball in the middle of the field that Manny saw as a low risk proposition with the penalty. Even if they recover it they are prob. on their own 35, not awesome field position but not terrible.

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This was our kicker.

 
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