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Liberty City El said:
Bama actually started TF S Malachi Moore & TF Edge Will Anderson.

Clemson started TF DT Bryan Bresee, TF LB Myles Murphy & TF OT Walker Parks.

LSU started TF CB Eli Ricks & TF WR Kayshon Boutte.

Oklahoma started TF WR Marvin Mims, Notre Dame started TF TE Michael Mayer, TCU started TF DE Khari Coleman, Oregon started TF LB Noah Sewell & Texas started TF RB Bijan Robinson.

That's just from last year, I could go back the 4 or 5 years & list a sh*t ton of True Freshman starters at major programs, Bama, Clemson, OH St, LSU, Oklahoma, UGA etc.. included.

It's not rare at all, it literally happens every year, Miami is really the only program in recent memory that doesn't many play TF's.
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I checked the depth charts for each of those teams and not a single one showed a true freshman starter. Maybe they were from the beginning of the season and those guys became starters later in the year but I didn’t just make that up.
 
hoops156 said:
just wondering, how many TF Dtackles/Dends play right away coming in late at other schools? the only major one I can think of is the Houston kid Ed Oliver. im sure im missing others, so im actually curious not trying to antagonize or anything. fwiw, I hope we get to see LT

edit:i saw your above post, but im more interested on the Line. I think its ridiculous overall that other spots that get burn when its far easier to translate over (I can understand the need to get stronger or bigger when you're playing on the line, but RBs WRs and CB can see the field asap)
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I think it really depends on what your system is. I think for a pass rush specialist/rush end, you can get away with plugging in a freshman. Tackle is a little more rare because guys who are strong enough to play right away out of high school aren’t common.
 
grover said:
I see what you did there. ...... soooooooo, if you were the head coach of Miami, who would you start or have in the regular rotation in 2021 among the TFs?
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- The WR's
- Any LB that can diagnose & tackle
- I'd use James Williams the same way Clemson used Isaiah Simmons
- I'd give Kam Kinchens every shot in the world to get reps at FS as well
- Any CB not named Ivey would get a shot at Boundary
- Elijah Arroyo would be my TE2 alongside Mallory in 12 & 22 personnel sets

My general point is, I wouldn't be beholden to guys like DJ Ivey, Amari Carter, BJ Jennings, Zach McCloud & even the Safety duo of Bolden & Hall just because they're upperclassmen. They'd have to earn their reps just like any TF would have to & I'd hold them accountable for their mistakes & missed assignments on the field by taking away playing time.

Only Miami fans think players need 4 years before they can see the field, TF's play all over the country at every type of program, be it G5 or major P5 title contenders, our fans have just been brainwashed & hoodwinked with the idea that we have to stick with slow lumbering upperclassmen who make continual mistakes because "tHe yOuNg gUyS aRen'T rEaDy bRo!"
 
You mean to tell me Clemson can find a way to start Breese but we’re going to redshirt LT? He should play over Miller and I don’t make any kind of impact on the game Jon Ford. I’m not saying he starts but he definitely needs reps on the second team.

As for JW, it’s Manny and crews job to play the 11 best players. Our linebackers minus Flagg are all suspect. Play 1 in the middle and put JW in a dime box position. If they trot out 44 while JW is wasting on the bench I’m gonna loose my sh/t! He’s too versatile and too good to be redshirting F that. Just hearing that ****es me off lol
 
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DTP said:
I checked the depth charts for each of those teams and not a single one showed a true freshman starter. Maybe they were from the beginning of the season and those guys became starters later in the year but I didn’t just make that up.
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Every single one of them were TF All-Americans, they started, I didn't just make it up either.
 
Liberty City El said:
- The WR's
- Any LB that can diagnose & tackle
- I'd use James Williams the same way Clemson used Isaiah Simmons
- I'd give Kam Kinchens every shot in the world to get reps at FS as well
- Any CB not named Ivey would get a shot at Boundary
- Elijah Arroyo would be my TE2 alongside Mallory in 12 & 22 personnel sets

My general point is, I wouldn't be beholden to guys like DJ Ivey, Amari Carter, BJ Jennings, Zach McCloud & even the Safety duo of Bolden & Hall just because they're upperclassmen. They'd have to earn their reps just like any TF would have to & I'd hold them accountable for their mistakes & missed assignments on the field by taking away playing time.

Only Miami fans think players need 4 years before they can see the field, TF's play all over the country at every type of program, be it G5 or major P5 title contenders, our fans have just been brainwashed & hoodwinked with the idea that we have to stick with slow lumbering upperclassmen who make continual mistakes because "tHe yOuNg gUyS aRen'T rEaDy bRo!"
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I think arroyo plays a ton this year as TE2. I hope the safeties are rotated if they struggle again. CBs are LOL. id only play Blades and Couch from the group that played a ton last year. thank god tyrique is here
 
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ajone228 said:
@RVACane you mind helping @caneinorlando start his own thread on food. I know he’s old and not sure if he needs glasses, etc but he’s hungry and would like to discuss food. He’s annoying in the fact he keeps derailing the wrong thread with food pics.
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Would you like him thread banned from your thread or just have me delete food posts or both?
A little busy with work but I can try to get on it. Should I thread ban the 15-0 guy too, while we’re on it?

Edit: I deleted all except for the one where he told told you he was hungry. That was funny and he had like 3 upvotes.
 
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RVACane said:
Would you like him thread banned from your thread or just have me delete food posts or both?
A little busy with work but I can try to get on it. Should I thread ban the 15-0 guy too, while we’re on it?

Edit: I deleted all except for the one where he told told you he was hungry. That was funny and he had like 3 upvotes.
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idk who the 15-0 guy is, so idc what you do with him.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I don’t know about George, but Brinson gets burn this year, in my opinion. He makes actual plays.
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My favorite guy (not player, but dude) in this class. I think a lot of people sleep on the fact that he was the Dade kid who really set off the run of local studs to Miami in this class. He was kind of the first of that crew to step up. And he did with mega swag.
 
Not sure if EE changed things but the staff wanted Taylor to get snaps at de this year. I’d be surprised if he didn’t get some burn in pass rush packages outside.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
My favorite guy (not player, but dude) in this class. I think a lot of people sleep on the fact that he was the Dade kid who really set off the run of local studs to Miami in this class. He was kind of the first of that crew to step up. And he did with mega swag.
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Unlike others in this thread, I think both him and Taylor get burn this year. Unless there is a miraculous turnaround by Pope and Wiggins, I’m counting on BS to get snaps. I rarely talk about recruits but I think he’s going to be special. 🤞
 
ajone228 said:
of the influx of talent we have coming in. The boys are competing and doing well but the talent level on this team is going to get turned up a notch with these summer enrollees.

RB: 2 good players in Franklin and Brown. At least 1 should play some on short distance downs.
WR: Extreme playmaker in Smith(will find a role somehow this year) and 2 good WR's in George and Brinson(Think both brinson/George RS this season)
TE: I like brantley but he probably RS
OL: BIG BABY is a problem and although he RS's he will be 3x better than what CLark gave us. I like Rodriguez too but he's not big baby level imo.
DL: Leonard Taylor will start this year imo at either SDE or tackle. He's just too good and we don't have any gamewreckers on the DL imo. Ishmael/Haye will RS
LB: I may be in the minority but I really like Tyler Johnson and think he'll have a huge ST role this season.
DB: James Williams has to play point blank period! Get him on the field. Curtis will compete with ST's and hopefully do well.

In this list the most important guys who need to make early contributions are in Bold with Leonard Taylor being the most important and James WIlliams a close second. I think Brashard Smith(although the WR is congested) will need to play because we need as many playmakers as possible and he's an easy shoe in out of the offensive skill talent coming in.
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r0fl_57omp7 said:
The reason why Manny is "obsessed with upperclassman" and what you guys seem to forget is each players' knowledge of the program.
The things like knowing the playbook, knowing how he wants them to play, etc. That is why. I remember the same argument where people were getting their panties in a bunch about why Lingard wasn't starting or playing. Then you watch tape and you see him not doing basic stuff like blocking. Then you listen to the interview where Manny is asked about it, and he says something to the effect of they have to 'do all the things right to play'. How does that not click with some of you?
You're expecting some summer enrollee true freshman to literally be starting? Smh I don't even know if that would work in NCAA football 14 haha

What you should be hoping for is that we do what other big programs do and blow the teams out that that we are supposed to, giving the younger guys chances to play and get experience.

I'm not saying it isn't possible for Leonard Taylor and some of the others to be playing and contributing this season, but mainly the WR's, I don't see any freshman WR doing anything. Hopefully they all get their feet wet on some ST packages and play in their 4 games or whatever and then RS.
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Yeah, this theory gets thrown out when we still have upperclassmen who miss their assignments or blow plays constantly. McCloud, Jennings, Amari Carter are all examples of upperclassmen who have blown assignments or don’t have the skill to execute them yet they continue to play.

There’s a combination of several things wrong that result in guys like McCloud still being relied on.
 
Liberty City El said:
Bama actually started TF S Malachi Moore & TF Edge Will Anderson.

Clemson started TF DT Bryan Bresee, TF LB Myles Murphy & TF OT Walker Parks.

LSU started TF CB Eli Ricks & TF WR Kayshon Boutte.

Oklahoma started TF WR Marvin Mims, Notre Dame started TF TE Michael Mayer, TCU started TF DE Khari Coleman, Oregon started TF LB Noah Sewell & Texas started TF RB Bijan Robinson.

That's just from last year, I could go back the 4 or 5 years & list a sh*t ton of True Freshman starters at major programs, Bama, Clemson, OH St, LSU, Oklahoma, UGA etc.. included.

It's not rare at all, it literally happens every year, Miami is really the only program in recent memory that doesn't many play TF's.
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I feel like I’m having deja vu.

8 out of the 12 guys you listed were legit 5 stars per 247 and better than anyone coming out of high school that Miami has recruited in the past 10 years. The only top guys we’ve had in recent memory are Jordan, who played and balled as a freshman and linguard.

we will see what Diaz does with Williams, it’s going to be tough for him to see the field because it’s our deepest room on the team. But good coaches find ways to get there talented players on the field so Diaz should be judged here.

Taylor should have every opportunity to play so if he doesn’t then we can sound the alarms.
 
- Brinson George and Smith all should be playing over Pope and Wiggins.
- Avantae Williams and James Williams should be playing over Gurvan Hall and Amari Carter
- Leonard Taylor should be 2nd string at DT or DE

if either of these scenarios don’t happen Fire Manny Diaz and find a Head Coach that doesn’t have his head up his ***.
 
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