SICK OF THE CYCLE....

The problem id we dont have the money the fans think we have. Look at the staffs of these major programs and look at ours. SEC teams spend on running back coaches what we spend on coordinators. Who in the **** is gonna wanna come here for lesser pay?

Total and utter nonsense. We rake in $30M/year from the ACC alone, before donations, ticket sales, merchandising, etc. https://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-acc-revenue-taxes-0526-story.html

Don't **** on my leg and tell me it's raining and don't tell me we can't afford to pay the football staff $10M/year+. We have just, up to this point, decided not to. And all that money we've "saved" has cost us a fortune.
 
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Of course Dabo Swinney is making that money—as he has won two national titles over the past three years, played in the title game three times over the past four and has reached the playoffs four years in a row, looking for number five right now.

Before that, he was Clemson's wide receivers coach for six years—never even holding the title of offensive coordinator, or anything higher—and was a dreaded holdover from a failed staff; in this case, Tommy Bowden who never got over the hump. Swinney took over in an interim role in 2008, was officially named head coach in 2009—and the majority of their fan base was up in arms, saying he was garbage hire—wanting to run him off for half a decade.

Finally wins the ACC year 3.5—and gets boat-raced 70-33 by West Virginia in the Orange Bowl—only to have Brent Venables fall in his lap; which no one saw coming, under the assumption he was an Oklahoma lifer, or would take a head coaching gig. Instead, Swinney lands a better version of a loyal Bud Foster-type, who changed everything for him when coming on in 2012.

Clemson's co-offensive coordinators—Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott—were absolute nobodies before taking over in 2015. Elliott was the running backs coach for four years; coaching up wide outs at South Carolina State and Furman the five years prior—while Scott coached at Blythewood High School in 2006, before coaching Presbyterian's wide outs in 2007 and taking over Clemson's in 2008 for the next seven seasons, before getting the co-OC title in 2015 along with Elliott.


Clemson was a staff of UNPROVEN UNKNOWNS and has since grown into a powerhouse program on par with Alabama, if having not surpassed them—yet you use Swinney as your benchmark that that it takes top notch guys across the board to succeed. Meanwhile, Miami just forked over a reported $1.5M for the services of Dan Enos—quarterback whisperer and "the guy Nick Saban wanted to promote to offensive coordinator in 2019"—and dude has been an absolute flop; despite UM paying an offensive coordinator more than it ever had before.


Literally every UM head coach and offensive coordinator over the past 15 years was MORE QUALIFIED ON PAPER than Swinney, Elliott or Scott—by a landslide—yet look how all that worked out. (Even Randy Shannon was a proven defensive coordinator, a Broyles Award winner and ran a national championship defense—while being a proven recruiter and a guy who played for UM, won a title, et al—while Swinney was a wideouts coach for a dead-beat head coach that had never won a meaningful game, outside of beating Daddy once or twice.)

Venables was the missing ingredient that took that program next level; and dude was one of the luckiest bounces in college football—effectively forced out of OU by Bob Stoops, when brother Mike wanted to return to his post (after things crapped out in Tuscon), making him available for Clemson.

Had Mike Stoops not returned to OU, a safe bet Venables is still in Norman right now, coaching under Lincoln Riley as the guy had "lifer" written all over him. The Tigers ended up landing one of the best defensive coordinators in the game—by pure luck—and the rest is history.


Dabo Salary - 2010

Dabo Salary 2015 (pre- 1st National Championship)*

*Please note, he was 26th highest paid coach BEFORE his ACC Championship and playoff appearance in 2015
 
I understand the sentiment. The Dolphins broke out of the 6 to 10 win malaise this season. It's been such a relief. They were stuck in mediocrity for 10 consecutive seasons, the only team in the league winning between 6 and 10 regular season games from 2009 through 2018. Easily the most boring and irrelevant stretch in franchise history.
 
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And this is why we will stay mediocre.
Don't think Mario would lead us to championships but all for him as the next coach. Best recruiter we would have as HC in decades. If fired in two years we would be stocked with talent. Add in the facilities upgrades and we would finally be ready to persue an elite coach. Could do alot worse as we have seen this year. If Mario was 6-6 there would be less fury due to the fact that we would have a top 10 class and blue chip Oline recruits on the way.
 
i never bought into diaz.
WISH I COULD SAY THE SAME BUT THE PREVIOUS HC’s UNTIL MANNY HAVE HAD ZERO OLD SKOOL TIES TO THIS PROGRAM ...EXCLUDING RANDY SHANNON WHO IMO, LIKE COKER, WAS PINNED DOWN BY SHALALA’S POLITICAL AGENDA....I STILL FEEL WE HAVE A CLEAN SHOT WITH FREINKINSTIENER TO PLANT SOME ROOTS AND MOVE FORWARD....
 
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The common factor is UM athletic directors who wouldn't know a competent football coach from a potato.

The rinse and repeat cycle stats with Flake making another bad hire.

Until UM gets a competent AD this cycle will go on ad infinitum.
 
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We're paying just fine. It's time to accept that nobody wants this job.
The highest we've ever paid and by far is 4 million to Richt. The top coaches are getting double that. When Richt steps down and leaves 20 million, not paying the previous coach since Butch, Flake hires Shanny within hours for 3 million. So not only did we go the cheap route again (with the most money available ever) but no search to actually know other interest.
 
The highest we've ever paid and by far is 4 million to Richt. The top coaches are getting double that. When Richt steps down and leaves 20 million, not paying the previous coach since Butch, Flake hires Shanny within hours for 3 million. So not only did we go the cheap route again (with the most money available ever) but no search to actually know other interest.
I agree on the search part, but what makes you think this is an attractive job? And why should we pay somebody $8 mil?

Looking form the outside, Miami has a lot of problems, and the last 4(5) coaches have failed. We don't have the financial support of the other schools that will pay $8mil. We don't have all that sht that people get excited about. We have sky high expectations and much less support than other programs.

And look, we might have mooney for something the coach wants to do, but it's not like Texas. When you want $10mil at Texas, it just appears and nobody bats an eye. We don't have it like that, that's serious money to us. It's a big deal to round up that cash.

So if you're a big-name guy, why not go somewhere you'll get the whole package?

And as for being willing to pay big money, are you sure saban or Meyer would kill it at Miami? The places they've done well have had more support than they'd get here. It would be interesting because it would tell us something about how important money is in winning, but it's far from certain those guys would be great here.

Bottom line: we keep saying "if the HC would just do X or Y, we'd win 10+ a year", but that keeps not happening. At what point do you look at the situation and start to wonder if anyone could do better? At what point do we look at ourselves and admit we're not playing the game everybody else is, so we're not going to win big no matter who the coach is? Not saying that's the truth, but at some point we should have done better with a coach just through sheer luck.
 
I agree on the search part, but what makes you think this is an attractive job? And why should we pay somebody $8 mil?

Looking form the outside, Miami has a lot of problems, and the last 4(5) coaches have failed. We don't have the financial support of the other schools that will pay $8mil. We don't have all that sht that people get excited about. We have sky high expectations and much less support than other programs.

And look, we might have mooney for something the coach wants to do, but it's not like Texas. When you want $10mil at Texas, it just appears and nobody bats an eye. We don't have it like that, that's serious money to us. It's a big deal to round up that cash.

So if you're a big-name guy, why not go somewhere you'll get the whole package?

And as for being willing to pay big money, are you sure saban or Meyer would kill it at Miami? The places they've done well have had more support than they'd get here. It would be interesting because it would tell us something about how important money is in winning, but it's far from certain those guys would be great here.

Bottom line: we keep saying "if the HC would just do X or Y, we'd win 10+ a year", but that keeps not happening. At what point do you look at the situation and start to wonder if anyone could do better? At what point do we look at ourselves and admit we're not playing the game everybody else is, so we're not going to win big no matter who the coach is? Not saying that's the truth, but at some point we should have done better with a coach just through sheer luck.
Everything you just mentioned involves money. The support they have is staff, analysts, etc. Of course all the past coaches after Butch failed because they absolutely were lazy and cheap hires. Richt gave us some success but he was worn out and wanted to run the offense. However, he proved with a good coach and better support, we can absolutely be successful but it can't be a stubborn one on the cusp of retirement.
 
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Wish there was a rewind button we could hit to around the turn of 21st century and effing get it right this time.
 
Sorry, but it takes money whether you or I like that conclusion or not. I definitely hate it knowing the commitment, or lack thereof, the U makes.

The "people and the objectives of those people" need to be about spending money on recruiting, coaching and equipment.

Ten coaches are making north of $6 million. Clemson's Dabo Swinney leads the way with $9.32 million in total compensation for 2019-20.

For the first time, there is a league in which all of the coaches are making at least $3 million. It's the 14-school Southeastern Conference, in which the average total pay is $4.95 million. We are more on the Vandy bottom side of that with LESS coaching experience all around.

We were in the ballpark with Richt FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, who might have had the fire when he came, but lost it pretty quick when he realized

how important it was to have top notch ($$$$$) assistants and top notch ($$$$$$) TRENCHES.

My major point, great coaches and great coaching staffs cost money. If your not willing to pay top salaries across your coaching ranks, you relegated to up and comers, and those on their way back down.

All of that said, we should not still be playing the Randy Shannon / Manny Diaz zero head coaching experience game at this stage...







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This
 
Again. when this program has a large, loyal alumni group that writes fat checks—you get top notch coaches.

When you're a second-rate program and a private school with 11K undergrad—in a pro-sports town full of transplants—where most of your fans aren't alum and don't back the program financially, this is what you get.

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face; Georgia just dumped $200M into their program—mostly through alumni-driven donations and funding, which are the reason they have a $13M annual budget for their coaches and a NCAA-highest $7M annual recruiting budget; all part of their "Do More" campaign to catch up with Alabama.

Stanford Stadium is packed to the gills six Saturdays every fall, while the entire city of Athens eats, breathes, lives and sleeps Bulldogs football.

Miami fans are doing GoFundMe campaigns to raise $495 to fly a banner weeks back, while another group is wearing people out to donate for a billboard—all while encouraging fans to stop doing to games at an already barely 2/3 full stadium on an average day.

You get what you pay for—and that's not in regards to a head coach or an athletic director, as much as it is a mostly non-alum fan base who doesn't support this program to a fraction of the football factories and national powers that our fans think Miami should be, simply because it was ahead of the curve three decades ago and did some magical things, due to a level of athleticism that other programs simply didn't possess back in they day.

Everyone has athletes now—and those programs with the most money are the ones that have a distinct advantage. A **** shame Miami doesn't have a Phil Knight, T. Boone Pickens or John Schattner as an alum, just throwing money at athletics because they want a football power. (Everyone b1tching about our left-leaning, liberal admin—y'all ever been to the state of Oregon? Didn't stop football from reigning supreme there as he with all the gold makes the rules.)


And as a result of all this, Miami is nowhere near the desirable job that our fans think it is. Hasn't been since Butch Davis pulled out of town two decades ago; the last in a short line of guys who parleyed the experience into quality NFL gigs and paydays.

No college town vibe, undying fan support, large student body—where football isn't just the biggest show in town, but it's the only show—not to mention deep-pocketed alumni who write checks.

Holy ****, Miami only FINALLY got an indoor practice facility when Mark Richt took over as head coach, worked behind the scenes to orchestrate and wrote a $1M check out of his own pocket.

Some of y'all need a serious reality check regarding what is, versus what you think is, or should be.
Ouch!
 
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