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Shemar Stewart

301cane said:
Except he doesn't. His odds of being drafted in the first round again next year are about the same as me being drafted in the first round next year
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I drank of 40 of Da Bull! And a vision from the ancient ones came to me...

 
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Memnon said:
No he doesn't.

No team is going to draft him in the 1st round again if he doesn't play his rookie season this year.

He can sit out the whole year & reenter the draft if he wants to, he will not go 1st round in 2026.

Take that to the bank & deposit it.
100% guarantee, wouldn't happen.
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I'm obviously missing something here...

I thought every NFL draft slot was on a schedule of pay + benefits and there was essentially no negotiation between parties.

What are they arguing over?
 
Rellyrell said:
I HATE the offseason besides the countdown
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COUNTERPOINT:

Offseason is filled with rational takes that help us ponder the meaning of the game we love and provides us all with a much deeper understanding of how everything works.

Spiritually uplifting and nourishes the soul as well.
































I really struggled typing all this with a straight face. Even for me.
 
Empirical Cane said:
I'm obviously missing something here...

I thought every NFL draft slot was on a schedule of pay + benefits and there was essentially no negotiation between parties.

What are they arguing over?
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The bengals are trying to make an example of him for whatever reason they’re all of a sudden trying to stick language in there that could void future gaurunteed money in this contract.
 
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canadacanes said:
The bengals are trying to make an example of him for whatever reason they’re all of a sudden trying to stick language in there that could void future gaurunteed money in this contract.
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Don’t sound too confident in a DE that’s all upside who only had 4 sacks must be nervous he’s all show no go
 
Bender said:
That was my first reaction too and then it all just came out piece by piece.

Bengals ownership is dirt cheap. They'll try and cut corners with every contract they put to paper.
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Well idk about dirt cheap I would say dumb they just paid what 300+ million for WRs lol now they are strapped for cash
 
Shogungts said:
Honestly, I think it is kinda messed up that there are rookie set terms. I understand why they did it - both teams and established players were upset that unproven players were coming in getting huge contracts and often busting <cough> Sam Bradford <cough> - but looking at the other side of it, it seems pretty unfair that players are collectively bargaining terms that hurt future players that are not able to be part of those conversations.
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This pre rookie cap contract was perhaps the straw that broke the camel's back.

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Six years, $78M. $50M guaranteed. In 2010 dollars.
 
Shogungts said:
Honestly, I think it is kinda messed up that there are rookie set terms. I understand why they did it - both teams and established players were upset that unproven players were coming in getting huge contracts and often busting <cough> Sam Bradford <cough> - but looking at the other side of it, it seems pretty unfair that players are collectively bargaining terms that hurt future players that are not able to be part of those conversations.
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Same thing happened with the NBA after 1994. Glenn Robinson asked for $100M for his rookie deal, and the owner remarked that perhaps he should just give him the team instead. He did get a ten year, $68M deal.
 
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Bender said:
They aren't strapped for cash, they're ******* fine. Higgins and Chase were subject to the same *** nonsensical contract clauses and they bullied them out of it.
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They should’ve let Higgins walk I think. Now they lose Hendrickson on an already weak defense. Just weird moves
 
Shogungts said:
Honestly, I think it is kinda messed up that there are rookie set terms. I understand why they did it - both teams and established players were upset that unproven players were coming in getting huge contracts and often busting <cough> Sam Bradford <cough> - but looking at the other side of it, it seems pretty unfair that players are collectively bargaining terms that hurt future players that are not able to be part of those conversations.
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The rookie cap helped improve the NFL in my opinion. It may hurt individual players....i think more Day 2 guys who fall due to injury or lower positional value....but the CBA is to benefit the majority and protect the sport, not the 1-off....or in this case, kids who aren't even part of the players association yet, so i at least understand why the slotting is in place and the benefit it brings to the game.

The slots allow deals to get done quick and these kids to get into camp early to learn the playbook and develop. The slotting also allows teams to know how much cap space they'll before rookies are drafted/signed and let's them proactively keep valuable vets, even at lower deals, to compliment the unproven rookies coming in and help mentor them, vs having to cyclically cut vets and keep cheaper 2nd/3rd year players just to make the cap work. Look at guy like Caleb Williams. The kid thought he should get part ownership and likely would have held out forever for something his play just doesn't justify aligned with top 10 NFL QBs.....crippling a bad teams salary cap from day 1 and not allowing them to improve much, which defeats the purpose of the draft and trying to have a level playing field across all teams. Very few of these high 1st round picks will be as good as proven NFL vets and will take a few years to get to that level, but they'll all think they should be paid as such day 1, with NIL only making them over-valuing themselves even more these days. If they wanted to make it truly equal, they could negotiate all contracts be guaranteed (with career ending injury exceptions) and the cap being truly a hard cap without void years and bonus manipulation....so teams would truly give contracts at values they could afford and see a player having, vs the bs contracts we see today that are mostly fluff.

NFL slotting leads to the best players being taken at the best picks. The slotting baseball has, with its money pool, still forces bad teams to pass the best talent bc they can't afford the player, taking cheaper HS players or college seniors out of eligibility to make the money last. When they do take an elite talent high, they are forced to go cheap on the next several picks, which is why teams like NY and LA still have farm systems as deep or deeper than bad small market teams.
 
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