Shallow Cross - Richt's MO at UGA/FSU

[Gatorhater]

You mean big games like ND or VT? Or against 10 win WVU in bowl game?

Get outta here with the "can't win big games" bullsh!t.

Clemson is better than us. In all honesty, we have no business beating them. But rest assured if we lose, the "big games" football chicks will be out in full force.

In the universe we are now leaving, Mark won several "big" game this year starting with fsu ending in ND which he won in Cane big win fashion. For the universe we want to go back too this is his first "big" game. Mark's done very well this year, but he needs to win not only thins game but the two after that to shake the "big games" knock.

The thing is this is not about Mark, it is about Hurricane football. Clemson is built to beat Bama. We need to be Canes. Our defense needs to set the tone of fierce "you are not getting out of here alive" aggression with frequent TO Chain appearances and maybe some points. The offense needs it big time players to make those big time plays: catch that behind you pass, find a way to get to that overthrow ball, drag the db over the goal line instead of leaving us in short yardage red zone plays, slip the tackle crossing over the middle and take it to the house instead of 5 yards. Mark has his part to play. He needs to not get out coached and make the adjustments required but most important he needs to have the team ready to play Hurricane football, not UGA or FSU football. Heck I don't know the difference in the technical ways some many here do, but I know Cane football when I see it. The ND game was it. Play that way and we win.

And if we lose to Clemson will you be crying, "Richt can't win the big game" ?

If you think we've arrived then so be it. I'm realistic enough to see that we aren't quite there yet.

Heck, I was worried that JJ couldn't win the BIG GAME after losing NCs twice in a row with our best QB ever and best or second best team ever. Shula couldn't win the big game either, until he went Perfect that great year. I've said several time that uga might not be able to win the big game, but Miami is all about winning the big game. I firmly believe Mark will win "the big game" here -- our 6th NC and his first. Mark is good enough to get us more NCs and that is good enough for me. We are not about great coaching. It has always been about the Jimmies and the Joes.

What are you talking about?

Mark is a great coach and we have been successful with great coaches. We are about great coaching.

I go way back with Howard to his Dolphin days. He was a fantastic coach and great man, but failed as HC in NFL and he did coach in college after Miami. How many additional NCs did he rack up? JJ never came back to college but he loss two NCs here before he finally won one. He was a work in progress that came here got better, won and left. Dennis did a lot of winning later but how many NCs? None after he ran out of Butch recruits. Butch? Coker? We won 5 title under 4 different coaches in 20 years -- what school has ever come close to that. I am not saying we don't not need good coaching, just we don't need a Saban.


I love Mark. Heck I knew him when he was the back up to Kelly(I was always close with Howard and him becoming a Cane made that closer). He is an excellent coach but by our standards, he needs to win the NC to be great. As much as I supported Butch, I never thought him a great coach, just so great a recruiter that it made up for it. This is not personal to me. Mark might have been a great coach at UGA but he needs to win the title to be a great coach at Miami. He knows it or he would not be here. It is his chance to FINALLY be THE guy, not the other guy.

 

[marshallrc13]

3 Reasons we don't use it.

1) Rosier's inaccuracy would contribute to more interceptions in the middle of the field
2) It is hard for shorter QB's to pass in the middle of the field and not get balls batted down, plus they don't see as well
3) Crosses are slow developing plays and Richt doesn't trust our OL to hold their blocks long enough

We don't use slants often enough for the same exact reasons.

Richt is handcuffed with Rosier, but regardless diversity in the offense is desperately needed to keep opposing defenses off balance. We are running the same plays over and over and over and it is too easy for opposing defenders to key on the very few plays we run. New plays should be introduced on a weekly bases vs every opponent, not just against the better opponents. Maybe Richt is only giving Rosier what he can execute though.

Still, even with the team playing flat vs Pitt, if Rosier hits on some passes he should have completed Miami easily wins the game.

He's really only inaccurate on the deep passes which require the OL to block longer. Short crosses shouldn't be an issue IMO. The line only has to block for a very short period of time. Imagine Berrios, Thomas, or Harley running the short crossing routes out of the slot. It would be deadly. 5 step drop and let it rip. If it isn't there find the check down, or tuck it and run.

 

[Waynecane]

This game is on Richt and his gameplan vs Clem. He has to scheme so we dont get stuffed in the running game and behind the sticks. Richt's real MO is being unable to win the "big" game. He's the offensive guy. He better do something Clem isn't ready for. Also it is imperative that Rosier runs the ball. Do not sit in the pocket. Clem can be beat but they have to be outcoahced, cause Venebrles is sitting in the film room licking his chops. We must do something diff.

You mean big games like ND or VT? Or against 10 win WVU in bowl game?

Get outta here with the "can't win big games" bullsh!t.

Clemson is better than us. In all honesty, we have no business beating them. But rest assured if we lose, the "big games" football chicks will be out in full force.

Amen to that


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[Canecling]

this is a very good discussion.. i have spent countless minutes in the stands screaming "just run a god**** crossing route"

 

[CanesAreAble]

We’ve run shallow crosses, but Rosier rarely takes them.

 

[simplycanes]

We’ve run shallow crosses, but Rosier rarely takes them.

I feel like we used them against FSU a lot more than usual and hit Berrios for some nice gains. Am I wrong? Probably.

 

[CanesAreAble]

We’ve run shallow crosses, but Rosier rarely takes them.

I feel like we used them against FSU a lot more than usual and hit Berrios for some nice gains. Am I wrong? Probably.

I don’t know if we used them more against FSU, but they’re there.

I think one of the things that’s happening is Malik likes to throw to the outside when he identifies man coverage.

 

[ShadowSpring]

I trust CMR with the offense. The guy knows his stuff, the second guessing of his scheme is silly.

 

[TheZacMamba]

been thinking this all season...we have play makers, run some drags. instead its just been slants

 

[DTP]

Has Rosier completed a single 5 yard slant against man coverage this whole season? His throws (the ones that don't get batted by linemen) are always behind the moving target, giving the DB a chance to break them up. This is one of the main reasons why teams aren't afraid to play cover one or cover zero against Miami. Your number one option against man should be the slant but Rosier can't throw one accurately.

 

[Tit-e-skr]

This game is on Richt and his gameplan vs Clem. He has to scheme so we dont get stuffed in the running game and behind the sticks. Richt's real MO is being unable to win the "big" game. He's the offensive guy. He better do something Clem isn't ready for. Also it is imperative that Rosier runs the ball. Do not sit in the pocket. Clem can be beat but they have to be outcoahced, cause Venebrles is sitting in the film room licking his chops. We must do something diff.

You mean big games like ND or VT? Or against 10 win WVU in bowl game?

Get outta here with the "can't win big games" bullsh!t.

Clemson is better than us. In all honesty, we have no business beating them. But rest assured if we lose, the "big games" football chicks will be out in full force.

In the universe we are now leaving, Mark won several "big" game this year starting with fsu ending in ND which he won in Cane big win fashion. For the universe we want to go back too this is his first "big" game. Mark's done very well this year, but he needs to win not only thins game but the two after that to shake the "big games" knock.

The thing is this is not about Mark, it is about Hurricane football. Clemson is built to beat Bama. We need to be Canes. Our defense needs to set the tone of fierce "you are not getting out of here alive" aggression with frequent TO Chain appearances and maybe some points. The offense needs it big time players to make those big time plays: catch that behind you pass, find a way to get to that overthrow ball, drag the db over the goal line instead of leaving us in short yardage red zone plays, slip the tackle crossing over the middle and take it to the house instead of 5 yards. Mark has his part to play. He needs to not get out coached and make the adjustments required but most important he needs to have the team ready to play Hurricane football, not UGA or FSU football. Heck I don't know the difference in the technical ways some many here do, but I know Cane football when I see it. The ND game was it. Play that way and we win.

And if we lose to Clemson will you be crying, "Richt can't win the big game" ?

If you think we've arrived then so be it. I'm realistic enough to see that we aren't quite there yet.

Guys on this board don't want to hear anything that is in the least bit critical of the Canes or how they may not be as good as the opponent they are playing. Predicting a Cane loss makes you less of a fan. They want you to pick the Canes no matter what the scenario is.

Clemson is better than Miami and Miami's weaknesses will show up big time in this game. Clemson will be playing at a different level than they have been most of the season. Miami is obviously on the right track, but they are still a few steps behind the "big boys".

 

[AUcane]

3 Reasons we don't use it.

1) Rosier's inaccuracy would contribute to more interceptions in the middle of the field
2) It is hard for shorter QB's to pass in the middle of the field and not get balls batted down, plus they don't see as well
3) Crosses are slow developing plays and Richt doesn't trust our OL to hold their blocks long enough

We don't use slants often enough for the same exact reasons.

Richt is handcuffed with Rosier, but regardless diversity in the offense is desperately needed to keep opposing defenses off balance. We are running the same plays over and over and over and it is too easy for opposing defenders to key on the very few plays we run. New plays should be introduced on a weekly bases vs every opponent, not just against the better opponents. Maybe Richt is only giving Rosier what he can execute though.

Still, even with the team playing flat vs Pitt, if Rosier hits on some passes he should have completed Miami easily wins the game.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the slants excuse for the reasons you listed above. They are not slow developing and Rosier is plenty tall to throw a slant. And, he's accurate enough to throw them. We run slants constantly.

 

[simplycanes]

We’ve run shallow crosses, but Rosier rarely takes them.

I feel like we used them against FSU a lot more than usual and hit Berrios for some nice gains. Am I wrong? Probably.

I don’t know if we used them more against FSU, but they’re there.

I think one of the things that’s happening is Malik likes to throw to the outside when he identifies man coverage.

I can't say for certain, obviously, but I think what Richt has done with Malik is created a bit of an unusual progression. Instead of throwing the ball based on how he reads the coverage, I think he reads based on which type of ball he throws best. If he can make it, he throws it, if not he has one read and run.

I agree, there are shallow crossers, but they look more like decoys to be honest, he seldom looks at them. Not a criticism, I think the job Richt has done with Malik is unreal, the Puttzburgh game doesn't negate that, IMO.

 

[simplycanes]

3 Reasons we don't use it.

1) Rosier's inaccuracy would contribute to more interceptions in the middle of the field
2) It is hard for shorter QB's to pass in the middle of the field and not get balls batted down, plus they don't see as well
3) Crosses are slow developing plays and Richt doesn't trust our OL to hold their blocks long enough

We don't use slants often enough for the same exact reasons.

Richt is handcuffed with Rosier, but regardless diversity in the offense is desperately needed to keep opposing defenses off balance. We are running the same plays over and over and over and it is too easy for opposing defenders to key on the very few plays we run. New plays should be introduced on a weekly bases vs every opponent, not just against the better opponents. Maybe Richt is only giving Rosier what he can execute though.

Still, even with the team playing flat vs Pitt, if Rosier hits on some passes he should have completed Miami easily wins the game.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the slants excuse for the reasons you listed above. They are not slow developing and Rosier is plenty tall to throw a slant. And, he's accurate enough to throw them. We run slants constantly.

Double slants into the end zone is commonplace in this offense. I agree. Richt isn't a double-middle finger playcaller like Dan Mullen, but he ain't Pat Nix either.

 

[CanesAreAble]

I can't say for certain, obviously, but I think what Richt has done with Malik is created a bit of an unusual progression. Instead of throwing the ball based on how he reads the coverage, I think he reads based on which type of ball he throws best. If he can make it, he throws it, if not he has one read and run.

I agree, there are shallow crossers, but they look more like decoys to be honest, he seldom looks at them. Not a criticism, I think the job Richt has done with Malik is unreal, the Puttzburgh game doesn't negate that, IMO.

I think that’s reasonable. Rosier is pretty good at the back-shoulder fade, which is a relatively safe throw.

Almost all of his INTs have come from throws over the middle of the field.

 

[Canesfan101]

Here's the one time I remember seeing it all season (isn't to say there haven't been other times - just not enough to notice).


10:50 mark in video

[video=youtube_share;p-7wE9wS9d0]https://youtu.be/p-7wE9wS9d0[/video]

A thing of beauty!!!

 

[Big Sky Cane]

3 Reasons we don't use it.

1) Rosier's inaccuracy would contribute to more interceptions in the middle of the field
2) It is hard for shorter QB's to pass in the middle of the field and not get balls batted down, plus they don't see as well
3) Crosses are slow developing plays and Richt doesn't trust our OL to hold their blocks long enough

We don't use slants often enough for the same exact reasons.

Richt is handcuffed with Rosier, but regardless diversity in the offense is desperately needed to keep opposing defenses off balance. We are running the same plays over and over and over and it is too easy for opposing defenders to key on the very few plays we run. New plays should be introduced on a weekly bases vs every opponent, not just against the better opponents. Maybe Richt is only giving Rosier what he can execute though.

Still, even with the team playing flat vs Pitt, if Rosier hits on some passes he should have completed Miami easily wins the game.

Let's see.... Rosier is inaccurate, oline can't hold blocks...... So let's make the oline hold their blocks longer and make rosier make more difficult lower percentage throws with the 4 verts design. Makes sense.

Whether it's rolling the pocket, incorporating the shallow cross, slants, hitches, this offense needs some higher percentage throws implemented for Rosier imo.

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[Caneadian]

This game is on Richt and his gameplan vs Clem. He has to scheme so we dont get stuffed in the running game and behind the sticks. Richt's real MO is being unable to win the "big" game. He's the offensive guy. He better do something Clem isn't ready for. Also it is imperative that Rosier runs the ball. Do not sit in the pocket. Clem can be beat but they have to be outcoahced, cause Venebrles is sitting in the film room licking his chops. We must do something diff.

So essentially, Richt vs Clemson coaches?
Then there is reason for optimism Clemson vs. Georgia - Game Summary - August 30, 2014 - ESPN

Yes Excellent. Usually in College Football it is how you coah up your boys. I am optimistic.

 

[canefan]

3 Reasons we don't use it.

1) Rosier's inaccuracy would contribute to more interceptions in the middle of the field
2) It is hard for shorter QB's to pass in the middle of the field and not get balls batted down, plus they don't see as well
3) Crosses are slow developing plays and Richt doesn't trust our OL to hold their blocks long enough

We don't use slants often enough for the same exact reasons.

Richt is handcuffed with Rosier, but regardless diversity in the offense is desperately needed to keep opposing defenses off balance. We are running the same plays over and over and over and it is too easy for opposing defenders to key on the very few plays we run. New plays should be introduced on a weekly bases vs every opponent, not just against the better opponents. Maybe Richt is only giving Rosier what he can execute though.

Still, even with the team playing flat vs Pitt, if Rosier hits on some passes he should have completed Miami easily wins the game.

He's really only inaccurate on the deep passes which require the OL to block longer. Short crosses shouldn't be an issue IMO. The line only has to block for a very short period of time. Imagine Berrios, Thomas, or Harley running the short crossing routes out of the slot. It would be deadly. 5 step drop and let it rip. If it isn't there find the check down, or tuck it and run.

What games are you watching? He can barely complete an accurate WR bubble screen half the time. He couldn't complete any against Pitt.

The kid is the least accurate QB to throw the ball here since Freeman.

 

[prinmemo]

This game is on Richt and his gameplan vs Clem. He has to scheme so we dont get stuffed in the running game and behind the sticks. Richt's real MO is being unable to win the "big" game. He's the offensive guy. He better do something Clem isn't ready for. Also it is imperative that Rosier runs the ball. Do not sit in the pocket. Clem can be beat but they have to be outcoahced, cause Venebrles is sitting in the film room licking his chops. We must do something diff.

So essentially, Richt vs Clemson coaches?
Then there is reason for optimism Clemson vs. Georgia - Game Summary - August 30, 2014 - ESPN

Clemson had the same staff on both sides of the ball?

That was a good Clemson team. UGA had Gurley, though.