Shalala Sponsoring a bill to limit coaching salaries

[SFbayCane]

Universities will just hire coach's wives to teach on campus.


Hmmmm???

 

[CashMoneyCane]

She missed her big payday when Hilary lost and now if she can’t get rich no one should be able to, it’s social justice.

Go Canes!

I think her salary at Miami was $900K a year.

Guessing she's doing OK.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

the football programs run their own budgets. They make money, and it funds the other athletics that tend to lose money. Taxpayer isn’t losing a dime to those salaries.

AD salaries are warping the economy of college sports.

If amateurism is the big lie of college athletics, then the notion that college sports will collapse if revenue-producing athletes receive more money is uncut malarkey. To understand why, let's crunch the numbers -- starting with the salaries of Athletic Directors.

www.sportsonearth.com

Taxpayers in Texas are paying the Texsa's AD's $1.1 million salary. Taxpayers in Kentucky are paying the UL AD's 1.4 million salary.

 

[Trafficante]

But conferences and the NCAA are private organizations. Is Shalala trying to claim anti-trust and threaten to break up the NCAA or something?

At its core this entire discussion rests on the conflict between a for-profit business model of athletic departments vs. the nonprofit educational mission of public universities and the NCAA. Anti-trust litigation & govt. intervention in this situation is inevitable as the transition towards athletes being paid for their names, images and likeness goes into effect.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

You're just talking about a way to circumvent Title IX issues (and potentially mitigate risk), but fundamentally it's irrelevant. The head coach of the football team at State U is the highest-paid state employee in the majority of cases.

Im not disputing that they are the highest paid state employees, but if tax dollars aren’t going to that salary then it’s essentially a moot point. They could honestly kick them completely off the state payroll and they would be making the same amount. Nike, Adidas, Under Armour and whoever else would gladly pick up that extra $350,000. I’m not against that idea at all.

I just think the bill is giving off the wrong idea and isn’t very transparent. The real problem is administrative costs at universities. Capping the number of front office employees would have a much larger impact.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Im not disputing that they are the highest paid state employees, but if tax dollars aren’t going to that salary then it’s essentially a moot point. They could honestly kick them completely off the state payroll and they would be making the same amount. Nike, Adidas, Under Armour and whoever else would gladly pick up that extra $350,000. I’m not against that idea at all.

I just think the bill is giving off the wrong idea and isn’t very transparent. The real problem is administrative costs at universities. Capping the number of front office employees would have a much larger impact.

I'm not sure what you mean by "front office," but all of the administrative support, especially the analysts, are the biggest contributing factor.

But if we're talking about skyrocketing coaches salaries, why aren't we talking about skyrocketing tuition costs?

Seems like trying to use a hammer to demolish an apartment complex.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

AD salaries are warping the economy of college sports.

If amateurism is the big lie of college athletics, then the notion that college sports will collapse if revenue-producing athletes receive more money is uncut malarkey. To understand why, let's crunch the numbers -- starting with the salaries of Athletic Directors.

www.sportsonearth.com

Taxpayers in Texas are paying the Texsa's AD's $1.1 million salary. Taxpayers in Kentucky are paying the UL AD's 1.4 million salary.

I don’t think the bill would cap AD’s salaries. which is my problem with it. Considering they are being paid 2-5 times more with tax dollars than coaches, why aren’t they going after them? What about bloated administrative staff? What about when Donna was making close to $900k and public President’s make around the same? Why isn’t that an issue?

 

[Trafficante]

I'm just curious Karl. How is it hurting the game now that she feels it needs to be addressed?

Here ya go Donald. I want you to read this very very slowly, so you really understand what's being discussed. Afterwards, let me know if you have any questions. Thanks

Why Congress Should Regulate Salaries and Spending in College Athletics

An exploration of the benefits that would accrue to college athletics if lawmakers also developed federal legislation to limit excessive spending on salaries and facilities.

athleticdirectoru.com

 

[Vengeful OldTestament God]

I wouldn't mind if the NCAA set a limit on coaching salaries.

Don't really care for the federal government setting a limit.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

I'm not sure what you mean by "front office," but all of the administrative support, especially the analysts, are the biggest contributing factor.

But if we're talking about skyrocketing coaches salaries, why aren't we talking about skyrocketing tuition costs?

Seems like trying to use a hammer to demolish an apartment complex.

Im referring to strictly university employees, not athletic analysts etc, who are paid from the athletic budget. Administrative costs are the main factor in skyrocketing tuition. The number of non-teaching faculty is out of control.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Every one of you that thinks this WOULDN'T benefit Miami needs to open up a book.

We're struggling to crack $4 million a year and the best schools are paying double that. If you want the college football to be literally four schools that have a chance (which is the direction things are going), the salary limits are terrible.

Miami will never be one of those four schools.

Salary limits don't make sense in a free market. The NCAA is not a free market.

Everyone prior to today: Miami can never compete! We don't have the money. The gap is just getting bigger and bigger. Georgia is spending more on their analysts than we spend on our entire coaching staph.

After Shalala tries to stop this: This is going to destroy Miami!!! How dare she try and regulate how much we spend on our coaches!

 

[The Svengali]

People are going to say capitalism should dictate coaches salaries, liberal agenda, socialism, yadda yadda, but college football is not a market governed by capitalism. Almost all the employees in this system are free laborers. Alabama can afford to pay Nick Saban $10M because the best players they get from around the country don't earn a dime (small bags aside). In a competitive market Alabama would have to be paying top dollar for all those 5 star athletes and their payroll would be massive. It wouldn't be a sustainable model. So because there's only one variable that schools need to navigate individuals, like Saban, hold incredible amounts of power. That's somewhat the gist of the antitrust aspect of the bill.

Great post. You’re way over the head of most folks that Post on this board, so don’t expect an intelligent response

 

[Trafficante]

Everyone prior to today: Miami can never compete! We don't have the money. The gap is just getting bigger and bigger. Georgia is spending more on their analysts than we spend on our entire coaching staph.

After Shalala tries to stop this: This is going to destroy Miami!!! How dare she try and regulate how much we spend on our coaches!

It shows how entrenched people are in their adopted political ideologies. It prevents them from examining a situation objectively, or thinking critically

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

It shows how entrenched people are in their own political ideology,. It prevents them from examining a situation objectively, or thinking critically

Yup, some people are just idiots that can't admit when someone from the opposing party is right.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Everyone prior to today: Miami can never compete! We don't have the money. The gap is just getting bigger and bigger. Georgia is spending more on their analysts than we spend on our entire coaching staph.

After Shalala tries to stop this: This is going to destroy Miami!!! How dare she try and regulate how much we spend on our coaches!

Also everyone: Miami should hire (name five people making a million dollars a year) and build a stadium!

Yup. A bunch of people with an opinion on economics that know nothing about economics. Fox News says it's bad, so it's bad!

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Im referring to strictly university employees, not athletic analysts etc, who are paid from the athletic budget. Administrative costs are the main factor in skyrocketing tuition. The number of non-teaching faculty is out of control.

Again, debatable based on the school, but effectively six or a half dozen. But I'd argue that the facilities and researcher/professor arms race is the major driver of tuition increases.

 

[Rellyrell]

hate when politics crosses over to sports.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

I wouldn't mind if the NCAA set a limit on coaching salaries.

Don't really care for the federal government setting a limit.

If the fed govt is giving money, it should be able to set whatever legal limits it wants. No different than the fed requiring that universities receiving federal funds allow military recruiters, unless you think tax payer funded universities should be allowed to deny recruiters access to campus. There is an inherent government interest. Likewise it is the responsibility of the federal government to ensure taxpayer money is being spent wisely. Athletic departments are responsible for about 13% of tuition costs.

To give another example of wasteful federal spending- it is ridiculous that a public university pays a tenured transgender post feminist womyns study professor 300,000 per year to teach 6 students a year. That means higher tuition for all students, making it less affordable and hence less accessible to prospective students. Providing a low cost quality education is the primary function of a public University. If UM wants to charge students 80k per year, it's not an issue. They are private. If UF tuition is 13k per year instead of 10k per year because the AD is getting paid 1.2 million of taxpayer money, then the legislature needs to act. The school will not police its own costs, that's the problem with spending other people's money.

If the coaching salary cap proposal can be shown to lower tuition, it is absolutely the function of the federal government to set the conditions to receive federal money. No one is forcing the schools to accept federal funds. The University of Alabama can decide to pay 12 million per year for Saban and stick the Alabama taxpayer with paying for the University. They can choose not to receive federal funds. It appears that you believe universities are entitled to federal funds without strings attached. I don't. I want the fed govt to be fiscally responsible, so if they establish that capping coaching salaries will have the effect of lowering tuition even 1%, then as a fiscal conservative I'm all for it.

 

[TerragonSix]

If you're best at your job, you should get paid accordingly.

If you suck at your job, you should get paid accordingly.

Putting a cap on salaries will just increase bonuses, incentives and perks.

If I were paid by the load in trucking, and lets say I ran 10 loads a day. I get paid a max cap of $300 for the day. Another guy runs 6 loads, and reaches his cap of $300.

We both made the same amount of money, but I hustled my *** off and the other guy didn't. But because of the cap, I have no incentive to work hard.

How is that remotely fair or reasonable?

 

[TemplarCane]

Aren’t a percentage of coaches salaries funded by apparel contracts and booster groups? At least at some schools?

Doesn’t it count for something if a football program’s revenue covers their costs?