Shalala Sponsoring a bill to limit coaching salaries

[CashMoneyCane]

This is beyond liberalism. This is outright socialism.

Weird, how an organization that takes profits from members and redistributes them accordingly is viewed as "socialist."

The NCAA is a socialist organization. Duh.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Every one of you that thinks this WOULDN'T benefit Miami needs to open up a book.

We're struggling to crack $4 million a year and the best schools are paying double that. If you want the college football to be literally four schools that have a chance (which is the direction things are going), the salary limits are terrible.

Miami will never be one of those four schools.

Salary limits don't make sense in a free market. The NCAA is not a free market.

 

[RVACane]

Weird, how an organization that takes profits from members and redistributes them accordingly is viewed as "socialist."

The NCAA is a socialist organization. Duh.

Pretty much and there’s no other game in town so it’s a monopoly in my opinion as schools need to join or not participate in athletics.

 

[RVACane]

Every one of you that thinks this WOULDN'T benefit Miami needs to open up a book.

We're struggling to crack $4 million a year and the best schools are paying double that. If you want the college football to be literally four schools that have a chance (which is the direction things are going), the salary limits are terrible.

Miami will never be one of those four schools.

Salary limits don't make sense in a free market. The NCAA is not a free market.

I agree that it helps Miami. The old lawyer in me is trying to see how they do this to private schools and all I can come up with is the threat of anti-trust actions by the federal government.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Ummm...public University football coaches are government employees. As long as public tax dollars are going towards these universities, the government has all the right to cap their salaries. Now a private university, who does not receive any tax subsidies, should be able to pay whatever they want.

The problem is regardless they're still member schools of the NCAA, which is effectively a cartel.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

I agree that it helps Miami. The old lawyer in me is trying to see how they do this to private schools and all I can come up with is the threat of anti-trust actions by the federal government.

If the federal gov't was going to go anti-trust on the NCAA, they would've done it a looooong time ago. The NCAA has monopolized major college athletics and created oligarchical athletic department members as a result.

 

[Ispyin]

Wait let me get this straight. The same people who freak out about the government being bloated and public dole also don’t want public employees at public colleges to have salary cap paid for in part by your taxes? If you didn’t just knee jerk react you’d see that at worst this would be good for a PRIVATE school like Miami. Or at least make the big state schools have to pay for it all with donations. I’m all down for not helping to pay FSU AND UF salaries.

but yeah you guys just go ahead and group think react as if you have intelligence on this.
I don’t like her. But got no issue with ******* over gators

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Both fall under private umbrella organizations. I don’t know how the NFL and the other sports survive anti-trust laws and get to do that. I can see the Federal government threatening funds to any States whose schools don’t abide by this, namely state schools. The professional leagues aren’t taking federal funds.

I won't/can't do the math, but the argument probably is that the economic viability is similar to a public utility -- more effective as a monopoly. Ultimately, you have the flagship athletic programs of dozens of states reaping millions of dollars in benefits, which on the margin is greater with the NCAA having a stranglehold on college athletics, as opposed to fewer, fragmented organizations.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Ummm...public University football coaches are government employees. As long as public tax dollars are going towards these universities, the government has all the right to cap their salaries. Now a private university, who does not receive any tax subsidies, should be able to pay whatever they want.

This is wrong. Go find the other thread about her interview on this topic. Public school coaches are paid low to mid six figure salaries from tax dollars the rest is from the athletic budget and endorsement deals. College coaches contracts are very complex and mostly supplemental. I broke it down in decent detail there.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Wait let me get this straight. The same people who freak out about the government being bloated and public dole also don’t want public employees at public colleges to have salary cap paid for in part by your taxes? If you didn’t just knee jerk react you’d see that at worst this would be good for a PRIVATE school like Miami. Or at least make the big state schools have to pay for it all with donations. I’m all down for not helping to pay FSU AND UF salaries.

but yeah you guys just go ahead and group think react as if you have intelligence on this.
I don’t like her. But got no issue with ******* over gators

"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance."

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Wait let me get this straight. The same people who freak out about the government being bloated and public dole also don’t want public employees at public colleges to have salary cap paid for in part by your taxes? If you didn’t just knee jerk react you’d see that at worst this would be good for a PRIVATE school like Miami. Or at least make the big state schools have to pay for it all with donations. I’m all down for not helping to pay FSU AND UF salaries.

but yeah you guys just go ahead and group think react as if you have intelligence on this.
I don’t like her. But got no issue with ******* over gators

Nobody is claiming this isn’t good for Miami and other private schools, but to say you are subsidizing 8 million dollars in coaches salaries is wrong.

 

[RVACane]

If the federal gov't was going to go anti-trust on the NCAA, they would've done it a looooong time ago. The NCAA has monopolized major college athletics and created oligarchical athletic department members as a result.

Right but that’s the only way I can imagine that they can force it on private schools. Wait... they can force public schools to not belong to any organization which doesn’t abide by a salary cap. The threat of loss of all the public schools would force the NCAA to mandate it for membership and private schools would have to agree in order to be permitted membership.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

This is wrong. Go find the other thread about her interview on this topic. Public school coaches are paid low to mid six figure salaries from tax dollars the rest is from the athletic budget and endorsement deals. College coaches contracts are very complex and mostly supplemental. I broke it down in decent detail there.

You're just talking about a way to circumvent Title IX issues (and potentially mitigate risk), but fundamentally it's irrelevant. The head coach of the football team at State U is the highest-paid state employee in the majority of cases.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Right but that’s the only way I can imagine that they can force it on private schools. Wait... they can force public schools to not belong to any organization which doesn’t abide by a salary cap. The threat of loss of all the public schools would force the NCAC to mandate it for membership and private schools would have to agree in order to be permitted membership.

You're not wrong but it's moot. If you want to play, you need to join the NCAA. THEY'D be the organization to force salary caps via bylaws, not state governments.

The economist in me sees salary limitations (on a STAFF level... not just as HC) set by the NCAA as likely adding marginal revenue. Competition is better for profits than having few dominant teams.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Aren’t the vast majority of coaches public employees? Isn’t the right always screaming about the public employee fleecing the taxpayer? This has to be about public universities as they all get federal funding.

This would actually be a good thing for UM, as we’d not have to compete w the salaries Bamer etc pays their coaches.

This wouldn’t just level the playing field, it’d allow UM to outspend the big public schools.

Get your LOGIC and REASON outta here! This is 'Murica! You're talking Commie liberal Pelosi BS!!!

 

[CashMoneyCane]

People are going to say capitalism should dictate coaches salaries, liberal agenda, socialism, yadda yadda, but college football is not a market governed by capitalism. Almost all the employees in this system are free laborers. Alabama can afford to pay Nick Saban $10M because the best players they get from around the country don't earn a dime (small bags aside). In a competitive market Alabama would have to be paying top dollar for all those 5 star athletes and their payroll would be massive. It wouldn't be a sustainable model. So because there's only one variable that schools need to navigate individuals, like Saban, hold incredible amounts of power. That's somewhat the gist of the antitrust aspect of the bill.

It's not as much about the HC as it is the entire staff. When the 'Bamas of the world can afford an army of high paid assistants (which I think are limitless on NCAA rules), THAT'S where competitive advantage issues come to play.

 

[raincane]

You have to have a cap on coaching salaries, when CFB teams have budgets that allow them to spend disproportionately. This is in stark contrast to the NFL where most teams spend similarly. At the end of the day the only that matters is preserving the integrity of the game. Liberalism vs. Conservatism vs. Communism vs. Capitalism is irrelevant in this discussion.

Aren’t the vast majority of coaches public employees? Isn’t the right always screaming about the public employee fleecing the taxpayer? This has to be about public universities as they all get federal funding.

This would actually be a good thing for UM, as we’d not have to compete w the salaries Bamer etc pays their coaches.

This wouldn’t just level the playing field, it’d allow UM to outspend the big public schools.

the football programs run their own budgets. They make money, and it funds the other athletics that tend to lose money. Taxpayer isn’t losing a dime to those salaries.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Ummm...public University football coaches are government employees. As long as public tax dollars are going towards these universities, the government has all the right to cap their salaries. Now a private university, who does not receive any tax subsidies, should be able to pay whatever they want.

Define irony: someone complaining that capping salaries at taxpayer funded public institutions controlled by a group that distributes profits evenly regardless of contribution is socialism.

 

[CashMoneyCane]

the football programs run their own budgets. They make money, and it funds the other athletics that tend to lose money. Taxpayer isn’t losing a dime to those salaries.

Money is a fungible asset, and therefore that perspective is highly debatable.

 

[Samson Doyo]

She missed her big payday when Hilary lost and now if she can’t get rich no one should be able to, it’s social justice.

Go Canes!