Shalala is stepping down

[Consigliere]

i can not stand some of our fans.

before you comments on the job the president of a university has done, stop listening to the Lukes of this fan base and start doing some research.


we are NOT Alabama, if you want the entire school admin to be focused around the football program go cheer for Ohio State, LCU, Alabama & FSU..


Foot... the president when UM had the best team in college football history .. .he wanted to shut down the football program!

Our football program is a small part of our entire school system and it will NEVER be how it is in Alabama or FSU. We are a small privet school and the only reason we are able to have a good team in the past is because of the talent around the city.

Any president that steps foot on this campus will be hired by the trustees to better the university not the football program & if you can't comprehends that you should not be commenting on this subject.


Shalala has brought in more money for this school then anyone in history of this program and that has helped this football program. If you want to fire Golden, or you want to hire a better coach.. that will cost you a pretty penny.. and guess what!? your not going to pay for it.. the school is.


Either way.. the program with our program is NOT the president of the university (i still can't believe I have to type that because some of you believe everything Luke tweets) its with our staff, and you don't make decisions like this after 2 games! you wait out at the VERY least half way through the season.

Shalala put this program milestones ahead of every other school in the state..she raised billions! (yes with a b) and she does not hire or fire the coach...there is a long chain this goes through and even if she wants to fire him, the trustees have to approve it..

Three things:

1. President and their Job

I get what you're saying about the President and their job. I think she was an incredible President for the school minus football and baseball. Since this is a sports message board, this will be what most focus on.

My problem is that she was WAY TOO hands on (hiring/firing) for someone who knows nothing about the issues involved (bringing in proper coaches). She could have instead, hired a AD who was ACTUALLY in charge of the Athletic Department and free to make decisions without the President's 2 Cents. Instead she is a bit of a micro-manager.

So Shalala was excellent for the SCHOOL as a WHOLE but not so much for sports. Who cares at this point, she is done and we're moving on. There is no need to continue the amount of impact she has had on athletics because she is STEPPING DOWN. It is irrelevant at this point.

2. Good football v. Good Academics.... OH NO, SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOLS!!!!

There is/are a lot of grey area here.

It is not ONE (good football school) or the OTHER (good academics).

It is only ONE or the OTHER if you completely shut down one and focus on the other.

There is Stanford with 7000 undergrad students who is not in AS a fertile recruiting area and for a long time was getting 4th/5th tier talent in California. Then they made an excellent hire (Harbaugh) and things changed. They made a second good hire (Shaw) and things continued at that level. Stanford is 47-9 since 2010, they have been to 4 straight BCS games and won 2.

It's funny because even a program like Duke (6500 undergrad) was able to win the Coastal before we ever did.

Then there was Miami, who made 3 poor terrible coaching decisions in a row. Small private schools can have success but they need to make the right coaching decisions. Considering we're 0 for 3 over the last X Years...what do you expect?

As for the past, (local talent) that isn't the sole reason Miami became a Success.

Starts with Coaching...

A. Snelly went on to coach in the Pros (USFL) after Miami

B. JJ went on to coach in the Pros after Miami

C. Erickson went on to coach in the Pros after Miami

D. Butch went on to coach in the Pros after Miami

What you have is 4 for 4 coaches moving on to bigger gigs...PRO GIGS.

Perhaps this coaching thing can overcome a lot.

3. Judging Al after "2 Games."

It isn't 2 games...It is 3 seasons and 2 games. So we have almost 40 games to judge him by at this point.

23-16 (13-12)

What indication will he turn it around at this point? Do you think a guy who is 52% during conference play is going to beat FSU (0-3 during his tenure) and VT (1-2 during his tenure) this season?

(to the board not the poster)

I think many of you just have low expectations at this point. Almost as if we could never have success again. Well it starts with bringing in the right guy. Bring in the wrong guy (Coker, RS and Al) and you will continue this trend.

 

[Vanquish9]

The football program built this University period!!!

 

[Ispyin]

U guys realize she could have an internal hire replace her??? one of her people

Umm no.

Won't happen.

I'd bet almost as much as I would on Coley never getting it right as OC play calling wise that an internal hire won't happen either. It will be a President from somewhere else or a way high regarded #2 from a giant school with academic prestige.

She hired bad. No doubt about it. But if you think Tad Foote builds the BAC, redoes the baseball stadium, gets the funding going for the new building and gets the field replaced among others, you are absolutely forking delusional. DELUSIONAL. I'm not her fan. Her bad decision on Randy directly influenced the choices when Folden was hired. But she is also not the evil to the program overall some make out to be. And so many here have no idea how donations really work and I'm not about to try to educate those who don't want to learn.

I pray the next person is better. I really do. The hire could be. And I will smile my football loving, actual donating to the program *** off.

But that said, I do think its kind of ironic that those that would be so quick to point out rightly to those who take one glimmer of hope and make it sunshine (like our D this year lol) on other issues instantly assume that this will turn out better for the program rather than the same or worse.

Like all things, best to let it play out.

it's a process after all as we have come to hear over and over and over and....

 

[weownfsu]

Please hire a President with SEC ties who gets it!!!

If UM hires anybody with SEC ties whose "SEC ties" aren't from Vanderbilt, UM failed.

This board acts like the BOT is going to be interviewing football coaches for president, LOL. Newsflash, UM is going to hire another academic who will talk about how they want the sports program to be strong in a presser for about 10 seconds, and that's all you're going to get.

 

[Gatorhater]

BREAKING: MESSAGE BOARD POSTERS CELEBRATE THE NEWS THAT A PRESIDENT OF A UNIVERSITY THEY NEVER ATTENDED IS RETIRING

I did attend and paid hard $$$$ for every single credit hour. I could not be any happier about here leaving. She should have been fired in disgrace for her hand in the ncaa scandal--note her hand was actually in it. The only bad news is any retirement she takes with her.

 

[HurricaneU]

All I see is a lack of power focused on a championship football program. I think we have people who are supportive. Who want a successful program But their metric for success isn't necessarily crystal at the end of the year.

Until we either get a focused group of boosters or that one or two big money booster - not Ray Lewis/The Rock type of cash, I mean a Phil Knight, T Boone Pickens, or god forbid Stephen Ross type of donor - that is committed to Championship football with a capital "C", it won't matter who the president is.

 

[Ispyin]

i can not stand some of our fans.

before you comments on the job the president of a university has done, stop listening to the Lukes of this fan base and start doing some research.


we are NOT Alabama, if you want the entire school admin to be focused around the football program go cheer for Ohio State, LCU, Alabama & FSU..


Foot... the president when UM had the best team in college football history .. .he wanted to shut down the football program!

Our football program is a small part of our entire school system and it will NEVER be how it is in Alabama or FSU. We are a small privet school and the only reason we are able to have a good team in the past is because of the talent around the city.

Any president that steps foot on this campus will be hired by the trustees to better the university not the football program & if you can't comprehends that you should not be commenting on this subject.


Shalala has brought in more money for this school then anyone in history of this program and that has helped this football program. If you want to fire Golden, or you want to hire a better coach.. that will cost you a pretty penny.. and guess what!? your not going to pay for it.. the school is.


Either way.. the program with our program is NOT the president of the university (i still can't believe I have to type that because some of you believe everything Luke tweets) its with our staff, and you don't make decisions like this after 2 games! you wait out at the VERY least half way through the season.

Shalala put this program milestones ahead of every other school in the state..she raised billions! (yes with a b) and she does not hire or fire the coach...there is a long chain this goes through and even if she wants to fire him, the trustees have to approve it..

Three things:

1. President and their Job

I get what you're saying about the President and their job. I think she was an incredible President for the school minus football and baseball. Since this is a sports message board, this will be what most focus on.

My problem is that she was WAY TOO hands on (hiring/firing) for someone who knows nothing about the issues involved (bringing in proper coaches). She could have instead, hired a AD who was ACTUALLY in charge of the Athletic Department and free to make decisions without the President's 2 Cents. Instead she is a bit of a micro-manager.

So Shalala was excellent for the SCHOOL as a WHOLE but not so much for sports. Who cares at this point, she is done and we're moving on. There is no need to continue the amount of impact she has had on athletics because she is STEPPING DOWN. It is irrelevant at this point.

2. Good football v. Good Academics.... OH NO, SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOLS!!!!

There is/are a lot of grey area here.

It is not ONE (good football school) or the OTHER (good academics).

It is only ONE or the OTHER if you completely shut down one and focus on the other.

There is Stanford with 7000 undergrad students who is not in AS a fertile recruiting area and for a long time was getting 4th/5th tier talent in California. Then they made an excellent hire (Harbaugh) and things changed. They made a second good hire (Shaw) and things continued at that level. Stanford is 47-9 since 2010, they have been to 4 straight BCS games and won 2.

It's funny because even a program like Duke (6500 undergrad) was able to win the Coastal before we ever did.

Then there was Miami, who made 3 poor terrible coaching decisions in a row. Small private schools can have success but they need to make the right coaching decisions. Considering we're 0 for 3 over the last X Years...what do you expect?

As for the past, (local talent) that isn't the sole reason Miami became a Success.

Starts with Coaching...

A. Snelly went on to coach in the Pros (USFL) after Miami

B. JJ went on to coach in the Pros after Miami

C. Erickson went on to coach in the Pros after Miami

D. Butch went on to coach in the Pros after Miami

What you have is 4 for 4 coaches moving on to bigger gigs...PRO GIGS.

Perhaps this coaching thing can overcome a lot.

3. Judging Al after "2 Games."

It isn't 2 games...It is 3 seasons and 2 games. So we have almost 40 games to judge him by at this point.

23-16 (13-12)

What indication will he turn it around at this point? Do you think a guy who is 52% during conference play is going to beat FSU (0-3 during his tenure) and VT (1-2 during his tenure) this season?

(to the board not the poster)

I think many of you just have low expectations at this point. Almost as if we could never have success again. Well it starts with bringing in the right guy. Bring in the wrong guy (Coker, RS and Al) and you will continue this trend.

Sometimes you just got to applaud. Spot on.

 

[Vanquish9]

BREAKING: MESSAGE BOARD POSTERS CELEBRATE THE NEWS THAT A PRESIDENT OF A UNIVERSITY THEY NEVER ATTENDED IS RETIRING

I did attend and paid hard $$$$ for every single credit hour. I could not be any happier about here leaving. She should have been fired in disgrace for her hand in the ncaa scandal--note her hand was actually in it. The only bad news is any retirement she takes with her.

i change my mind. she failed the education system

 

[nycane]

the football program took miami to a new level as a university. i know a ton of kids from north east who went to miami. they werent doing that before the 1980s

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6WMzDOh1o

 

[88]

I don't see another president coming in and immediately easing the grip on athletic scholarship requirements. It could be set in stone by now.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

the football program took miami to a new level as a university. i know a ton of kids from north east who went to miami. they werent doing that before the 1980s

That is commonly known, ironically, as the "Flutie Effect." There is no doubt that the exposure of the school increased dramatically during those years and the applications increased as a result of it. With the increase in applications, the school became more selective and the prestige of the school rose. But make no mistake, President Shalala's desire to have a world class medical school and hospitals was also a factor in raising the profile of the school and the prestige of a degree from UM.

 

[nycane]

they might make an internal hire. I can't see an SEC person because SEC has literally no academic requirements

 

[nycane]

the football program took miami to a new level as a university. i know a ton of kids from north east who went to miami. they werent doing that before the 1980s

That is commonly known, ironically, as the "Flutie Effect." There is no doubt that the exposure of the school increased dramatically during those years and the applications increased as a result of it. With the increase in applications, the school became more selective and the prestige of the school rose. But make no mistake, President Shalala's desire to have a world class medical school and hospitals was also a factor in raising the profile of the school and the prestige of a degree from UM.

miami also has a very good law school

 

[dookie blaylock]

Some of y'all don't get when she raised academics we lost our connection with South Florida. The community and the kids that made The U no longer could get in The U and those 5-10 kids who can't get in every year are your difference makers. This is why every Saturday we field soft *** football teams. Because choir boy scholars ain't tough!!!

i take it that you never spoke to those northwestern kids in 2008. half of them couldn't speak understandable english. great football players (in high school anyway), but they were not remotely academically qualified for any major university.

Jacory Spence and Streeter were all very smart kids Streeter was actually attending Turner Tech which was a magnet program so yes you don't know what your talking about.

i had class with sean. he's a nice guy and very football-smart, but i've seen his academic prowess first-hand. it's really not there.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

they might make an internal hire. I can't see an SEC person because SEC has literally no academic requirements

Vanderbilt says "hello."

 

[Gatorhater]

As an alumni I want to thank Shalala for everything she has done to improving the school it what is most important, academics. I can only hope that the next president does not turn us into FSU which only cares about athletics, or worse an a university who sucks at athletics and academics

As an alumni of SUN TAN U, drop dead! The football team gave our diplomas exponential value. Before Howard, you told people you went to Miami and they said, "oh." After JJ they said "No s..t, you went to THE U!!!!! ****." Donna did not do that. A bunch of kids sweating and working hard did it. We owe our reputation to those players not her. The growth of the school came from football. The fame came from football. And all the money she raised came because of football. She did not make THE U some academic oasis. JJ graduated somewhere near 70% of his players when St Bobby was doing under 20%. And remember, our football HC turned the little scum bucket away while you wonder women smiled and took his illegal money. She should have been canned by NCAA for her involvement in the second biggest scandal in college history--just like the PSU dude.

 

[dookie blaylock]

As an alumni I want to thank Shalala for everything she has done to improving the school it what is most important, academics. I can only hope that the next president does not turn us into FSU which only cares about athletics, or worse an a university who sucks at athletics and academics

As an alumni of SUN TAN U, drop dead! The football team gave our diplomas exponential value. Before Howard, you told people you went to Miami and they said, "oh." After JJ they said "No s..t, you went to THE U!!!!! ****." Donna did not do that. A bunch of kids sweating and working hard did it. We owe our reputation to those players not her. The growth of the school came from football. The fame came from football. And all the money she raised came because of football. She did not make THE U some academic oasis. JJ graduated somewhere near 70% of his players when St Bobby was doing under 20%. And remember, our football HC turned the little scum bucket away while you wonder women smiled and took his illegal money. She should have been canned by NCAA for her involvement in the second biggest scandal in college history--just like the PSU dude.

dumbest statement in a thread of dumb statements. yeah, the president of the university knew that the guy was just short of a billion dollars in his ponzi scheme before the sec and fbi knew about it. get the **** out of here.

 

[Consigliere]

the football program took miami to a new level as a university. i know a ton of kids from north east who went to miami. they werent doing that before the 1980s

That is commonly known, ironically, as the "Flutie Effect." There is no doubt that the exposure of the school increased dramatically during those years and the applications increased as a result of it. With the increase in applications, the school became more selective and the prestige of the school rose. But make no mistake, President Shalala's desire to have a world class medical school and hospitals was also a factor in raising the profile of the school and the prestige of a degree from UM.

Correct.

 

[561Cane]

I'm not an alum of UM but a lifelong fan. As a fan, I appreciate the job she has done academically. It's been tremendous. For her, the challenge has been Athletics. It started with Paul Dee. The man stayed on a few years to late and Shalala probably was not close enough to situation, making an assumption, to replace him.

Dee hired Haith, kept Coker too long, and someone could argue kept Morris longer than need be. Shannon was the perfect minority hire for Shalala and it failed miserably. Along with that came two failed AD hires that were flat out horrible! And the hiring of Golden which quickly turned into Shapirogate. Almost felt like the Admin new it was coming and therefore wanted to hire a great ambassador to the football program moreso than a great Head Football Coach.

So we sit here today with a Univeristy that is in a better place academically, yet athletics seem to be a far second. This is why, in my opinion, you need to look at someone from ND, Stanford, Vandy, Baylor, to name a few. Small schools with very good academic programs. Something UM is not today...

Go Canes!