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DTP said:
Roughing the passer and pass interference it’s existed in 2001. Like I said earlier, teams were already doing the stuff they do now on offense but it wasn’t popular yet. The big boys all started running spread offenses when the little guys started lighting up their defenses. Spreads didn’t take over college football because of rule changes, they took over because they worked.
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Bruhhhh!!! Everybody...

U know what, U’re right.
 
Rellyrell said:
Bruhhhh!!! Everybody...

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One of the reasons Dennis Erickson liked to use three WRs was because defenses were predominantly using three traditional LBs. It forced a mismatch where one of the LBs had to cover a WR. I remember reading this in an analysis of DE's new offense that he brought to UM in '89. I think that concept is time-limited because over time defensive coaches would adapt. Perhaps that's why we see more hybrid types of defenders with positions like striker, where a former DB ends up playing a position that is a combination of LB and DB, if I understand it correctly. Most of our striker candidates are former DBs.

I noticed over the years that innovations on offense worked for a while, until defensive coaches designed new defensive systems to cope with them.

I don't know if this is considered an innovation, but I'm thinking of how rarely top college football programs used shotguns in the 1980's. I heard a rumor before one of our big bowl games in the '80s that we had been working on the shotgun in practice and that would have been a stunner if unveiled in the bowl game. It didn't.

Everybody worked under center...Kosar, Kelly, Testaverde, Walsh and Erickson, as I recall. Does anybody remember one of our 1980's or early '90's teams using the shotgun. Did our 2001 team ever use it with Dorsey? I don't ever remember seeing it.

I guess the shotgun was intended to help neutralize the pass rush, making it easier for the QB to start reading the defense while the ball was on its way to him.
 
caneinorlando said:
Beard would be a starting WR on this UM team...
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Well, he never got drafted after playing 4 years at Miami and had 10 career receptions in the arena league. As I stated before, let's see how Harley and Rambo perform this season because Beard wasn't anything to brag about.

*And this topic is based on the 2001 team and Beard from 2001 would not start on this Miami team.
 
CanesDynasty said:
Well, he never got drafted after playing 4 years at Miami and had 10 career receptions in the arena league. As I stated before, let's see how Harley and Rambo perform this season because Beard wasn't anything to brag about.
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I care nothing about what you stated...I don't give any Fs about the NFL in regards to the topic...Bottomline is.....Beard would have started at UM the past 7-10 yrs with absolutely no doubt....
 
TheMatador said:
One of the reasons Dennis Erickson liked to use three WRs was because defenses were predominantly using three traditional LBs. It forced a mismatch where one of the LBs had to cover a WR. I remember reading this in an analysis of DE's new offense that he brought to UM in '89. I think that concept is time-limited because over time defensive coaches would adapt. Perhaps that's why we see more hybrid types of defenders with positions like striker, where a former DB ends up playing a position that is a combination of LB and DB, if I understand it correctly. Most of our striker candidates are former DBs.

I noticed over the years that innovations on offense worked for a while, until defensive coaches designed new defensive systems to cope with them.

I don't know if this is considered an innovation, but I'm thinking of how rarely top college football programs used shotguns in the 1980's. I heard a rumor before one of our big bowl games in the '80s that we had been working on the shotgun in practice and that would have been a stunner if unveiled in the bowl game. It didn't.

Everybody worked under center...Kosar, Kelly, Testaverde, Walsh and Erickson, as I recall. Does anybody remember one of our 1980's or early '90's teams using the shotgun. Did our 2001 team ever use it with Dorsey? I don't ever remember seeing it.

I guess the shotgun was intended to help neutralize the pass rush, making it easier for the QB to start reading the defense while the ball was on its way to him.
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Most teams played exclusively under center in the 80’s. Teams had shotgun packages but they were usually reserved for obvious passing situations. It was assumed that you were limiting your running game by not giving your back a running start before the handoff. In the 90’s when spread/air raid offenses first started showing up most of those teams pretty much threw it every down. No coincidence that Mike Leach was leading that wave. When I was at UCF in the late 90’s, the OC (who later became Head Coach) Mike Kruzeck ran a full time shotgun offense with 3 or 4 wide receivers on every play. Mostly because they didn’t have the offensive linemen to just line up and run the ball. It helped make Daunte Culpepper a Heisman finalist and first round draft choice.
 
DTP said:
Roughing the passer and pass interference it’s existed in 2001. Like I said earlier, teams were already doing the stuff they do now on offense but it wasn’t popular yet. The big boys all started running spread offenses when the little guys started lighting up their defenses. Spreads didn’t take over college football because of rule changes, they took over because they worked.
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Yup, like Rich Rod at Glenville St. & Tulane.

****, FSU ran Rich Rod's stuff to their first Natty.
 
caneinorlando said:
I care nothing about what you stated...I don't give any Fs about the NFL in regards to the topic...Bottomline is.....Beard would have started at UM the past 7-10 yrs with absolutely no doubt....
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Lmao you’re so full of ****. Beard was frustratingly inconsistent his entire career here.
 
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DTP said:
So the point of the “discussion” is that 2021 Miami isn’t nearly as good as the greatest team of all time? Ok. Proceed with that discussion, chief
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CaneSince4Ever said:
Yup, like Rich Rod at Glenville St. & Tulane.

****, FSU ran Rich Rod's stuff to their first Natty.
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I don’t think Rodriguez had anything to do with FSU but he was probably the first guy to use the no huddle spread as mainly a rushing offense. I’m pretty sure he’s credited with inventing the zone read play. And yes, he was running that offense in the 90’s at Glenville and Tulane. Also he was at Clemson for a year before taking over at West Virginia. These offenses all came way before targeting rules were implemented. It’s just that most of the name brand programs were afraid to do anything different because football coaches are often the most stubborn people in the world who are afraid to change anything.
 
DTP said:
I don’t think Rodriguez had anything to do with FSU but he was probably the first guy to use the no huddle spread as mainly a rushing offense. I’m pretty sure he’s credited with inventing the zone read play. And yes, he was running that offense in the 90’s at Glenville and Tulane. Also he was at Clemson for a year before taking over at West Virginia. These offenses all came way before targeting rules were implemented. It’s just that most of the name brand programs were afraid to do anything different because football coaches are often the most stubborn people in the world who are afraid to change anything.
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Brad Scott (who I've known for many yrs) was FSUs TE coach before being named OC in 1990...after he left in 93...Mark Richt was named OC (who was taught the Fast Break offense by Scott)... But since Ward was gone....Richt implemented an offense that he learned at UM under Schnellenberger...because no way in **** would Kanell's sloth footed *** have been able to run the Offense Ward ran.
 
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caneinorlando said:
No....it wasn't Rich Rods stuff...Brad Scott developed FSUs "Fast Break" Offense that Won them a NC and Ward a Heisman....
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I think it was more of a collabaration than anything.

If you read the Bowden book, He says the seeds of the offense were planted in a loss to us in 92'...says Ward looked better in a 2:00 offense.

Go back & watch the 93' game, FSU was running zone read then, and we didnt have an answer for it...that's Rich Rod.
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
I think it was more of a collabaration than anything.

If you read the Bowden book, He says the seeds of the offense were planted in a loss to us in 92'...says Ward looked better in a 2:00 offense.

Go back & watch the 93' game, FSU was running zone read then, and we didnt have an answer for it...that's Rich Rod.
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I was at the 90...91...92 and 93 games....
 
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