Seattle interviewing Ken Dorsey for OC?

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Could be our next Head Coach

Will preface this by saying Manny will be the head coach at the start of the 2022 season without a doubt in my mind....after that though, tbd.

I want someone with college and NFL experience, preferably more NFL than college. NFL OC with good passing concepts. Or an personable DC with a strong body of work. That can instill discipline on every play and in practice. Ken Dorsey, Joe Brady, Raheem Morris, Byron Leftwitch, Ken Norton Jr. - would love to see these guys get interviews next go around. Hiring from the college ranks ain't cutting it for me. Problem with Dorey, Brady, and Leftwitch (black coorindators ain't getting hired as quickly) is offensive minds in their 30s are getting snatched up quickly for NFL HC jobs.
 
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The game isn't what it was 20 years ago. Recruiting is 90% of winning. How often do you see NFL guys getting HC gigs in college anymore without significant college experience?

Agree on the game not being what it was 20 years ago. Manny and Golden and Richt were all heavily involved while the game was evolving, two failed, one tbd. Whatever % of winning involved recruiting 30 years ago, is still true to this day. Needed great players to win back then and still do now.

Are NFL guys not getting college HC because college ADs don't think it's a good idea or is it because the NFL guys don't want those jobs? I'd lean the latter. In the the SEC, the recent trend is to hire from Saban's tree. Which P5 schools made championship hires at head coach in the 2010s? Urban Meyer who is not there anymore. Lincoln Riley and Kirby Smart...and both of them can't seem to get the right ingredients on opposing sides of the ball to put a ring on their finger. Whole bunch of up and coming and next big thing college coaches (Tom Herman) or even formerly successful coaches (Justin Fuente/Chip Kelly) failing everywhere. Winning is hard as ****.

Our last NFL head coach would still be coaching here if he wanted too. Kirk Ferentz gained an intricate knowledge of Iowa (81-89 OLINE coach), spent 8 years in the NFL (93-98), and coached the Hawkeyes for the last twenty years while outlasting scores of failed head coaches. There are some NFL coaches, who did and did not attend UM for undergraduate, that have an intricate knowledge of Miami and could possibly turn this ship around. Dorsey might not be Ferentz, but he has an intricate knowledge of Miami and has experience as a quarterback coach, offensive coordinator (probably getting another OC job after the season), and a scout (as evaluations becomes a hotter topic on this board). Should at least get an interview.

I'd want a NFL guy with college experience too, though. There are plenty of coaches who have been in both arenas. Even PJ Fleck getting one year with the Bucs is an advantage. Same with Ryan Day and his two years in the NFL. Hope to hire someone who won in the NFL as well. Two different types of hires as Ryan Day maintains Urban's blueprint while Fleck builds his own. We would need a builder like Fleck. In 2012, Ryan Day coordinated BC's offense who scored 19.8 ppg, best for 118th in the country. In 2013, Ryan Day coordinated Temple's offense who scored 19.6 ppg, best for 88th in the country. In 2014, Ryan Day coordinated Temple's offense who scored 17.8 ppg, best for 100th in the country. Al Golden's temple offenses were better, but no one calls him an offensive wizard. His relationship with Chip Kelly (who hired him as the Eagles qb coach after 2014) was the first real domino in him becoming OSU's head coach.

Manny follows in line with Dabo, Day, Pat Fitzgerald, Luke Fickell, Smart, and Riley as high level college assistants who'd never been head coaches before. I don't think he is as good as any of those guys, but shows there are a lot of different ways to get it done.

The goal is to compete with OSU, Bama, and Clemson and whoever are the current national championship contenders. I hope Miami expands the guys they look next go around. One would hope that someone who has won at the NFL would bring a level of professionalism to the practice field that would not have us in the top ten in penalty yards given up for the zillonith year in a row.
 
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Remember when Dorsey wasn't good enough to be an OC here, but he's getting looks for an NFL OC gig.

Wouldn't have mattered anyways, as he would've bolted for an NFL job. The guy is possibly the smartest offensive player to ever lace em up for us.

NFL and college games are two completely different animals. Despite NFL being a more advanced level than college, it may be easier to be a first time HC or coordinator at the pro level because of unlimited resources and coaching positions available to mitigate lack of experience. Exception being at a program like Alabama, which is essentially an NFL team.. Also, at pro level, you don't have to worry about recruiting. So, yes, Dorsey is better suited to stick with NFL trajectory.
 
Needed great players to win back then and still do now.

And identifying and recruiting them now is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than it was pre-internet. Hence, getting the great players is much more difficult than it used to be, and we're witnessing that change extremely clearly in CFB, where four teams have won the last ten championships (or whatever that actually works out to be).

How did those teams fare in recruiting?

College football is akin to 90's-era Olympic basketball right now. Have the best players and you're gonna win the vast majority of your games, on average, over time.
 
Right, because two years as an Offensive coordinator would not set him up for possible NFL or college head coaching gigs. ****, his results as QB coach is on par with what Kellen Moore has done imo.

He's literally never recruited and your position on him being "our next HC" is closer to comatose than actively moronic.

Seriously just stop with the former players BS. The vast majority of the time over the last two decades it has went poorly.
 
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