Scrimmage thoughts

[supersaiyanshel]

Perry & Williams have to get better with their protection calls.

On one play Williams spin moved into a sack...on another play Perry missed a blitz call and got sacked.

I also saw Perry miss a check down in the RZ where the RB could've strolled into the end zone...He actually missed another throw in that sequence...badly.

Enos was livid!

Thought Perry overthought that sequence, trying not to force a turnover. Cost the offense 6.

 

[RedPill Stepdad]

Those teams you just listed proved my point. They may have top 25 offenses, but they not winning what really matters. They use spread to do more with less and paint the narrative that you are falling for. They putting a top 25 offense on the field every year, but not winning nattys (Thats their program selling pitch).More often than not you can put up crazy numbers with spread concepts, but thats just window dressing if it don't help you win when it counts. I was a UM fan when we were winning, so I don't care about all that pretty sh**t, I just want to win.

Ohio State and Clemson are the only 2 teams in recent history that I can recall right now who actually won what matters running a true spread offense and never go under center. Oklahoma has had success running it recently, but still came up short despite having 2 Heisman winners.

Those spread teams not winning nattys is not a good argument. Realistically there are only two teams that are winning nattys. One of them is full fledged spread. Look at all the teams that's gotten to the national title. Oregon, Ohio St, Auburn with Nick Marshall at QB (converted CB), Auburn with Cam Newton, Notre Dame. Oklahoma has been to the CFB. 90% of the Top 25 offenses are spread and it's not a coincidence, and it is translating to wins. If UCF ran a pro-style they would not have won the games they have the past few years.

U think we are in a position where we don't have to do more with less? Line up in I Formation in the ACCCG and see what happens. There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't run a true spread. Our QBs are most comfortable with it, majority of our recruits come from spread offenses, and the spread would mask some of the online deficiencies.

 

[Mark_RichtOC]

If Frierson is ready against the run we might have something serious there at Striker. He had perfect coverage on Osbourn on that deep out.

 

[Mark_RichtOC]

Enos was livid!

Thought Perry overthought that sequence, trying not to force a turnover. Cost the offense 6.

Perry doesn't seem to like the checkdown RB, looks for the WR majority of time even if blanketed.

 

[Mark_RichtOC]

Bro wtf is this lmao

 

[demcanes26]

I’ll say 75% gun and 25% under center this season. Also if we get a top 50 offense, Enos ain’t here next season.

The Allen brothers were 1st, and 3rd in passing yards in 2015 and 2016. The majority of those plays were under center.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

Not going to glean too much from Tate performance, he made a few good throws and a couple of bad ones but bottom line his drives were pretty **** short with not a lot of plays to get a feel of what he really can do. Just think about it, first drive 3 and out I think. Next one after a great throw to Osborn for 15-20 yards he had an int(I believe It was pass interference on that play). Next series after that he got a first down with a throw to pope. Then he tripped on a roll out which was for a sack. After that threw a bad pass so basically only a handful of plays there. Next drive he had a pass to Dallas for 10 yards and then deejay bust one for 40 or so. Too little of a sample size for the way people was sh*tting on martell the other day IMO

completely agree. That int was supposed to go to Wiggins coming on the drag, not Irvin (who did get bumped as the ball came out). Still very early.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

TE group also looked very physical.

 

[brock]

completely agree. That int was supposed to go to Wiggins coming on the drag, not Irvin (who did get bumped as the ball came out). Still very early.

And he probably could have had George in the flats but as you said I think That was PI regardless

 

[Swampcity]

How do we know who goes through progressions better than who? By his head turning? We have no idea who the keys are, who he is looking at and how fast or accurately he is seeing what's happening. This is an absurd assessment based on nothing. One **** scrimmage that you likely did not attend cannot tell you who goes through their reads better.

I said this in another thread and will say it again. JW played against the two defense with walk ons at dt, safety and lbs. OF COURSE HE LOOKED GOOD IN A CLEAN POCKET. He didnt have Nesta collapsing **** on him. Let's stop making **** up to feed whatever narrative you are hoping plays out. Lol. We have seen Jarren throw 30 passes in the stuff they show us and the couple of scrimmages. How can we come to any definitive conclusions? The only thing we know is he hasn't played in a game yet and hasn't lost the faith of the fans. He is the shiny new toy and now everyone wants to crown him with a very limited data set.

He looks good and made some good throws and made a few really bad decisions. One could argue based on the bad decisions that he was not seeing things well and not going through his progressions well on those plays. Just sayin.

Nailed it.

 

[canes732]

How do we know who goes through progressions better than who? By his head turning? We have no idea who the keys are, who he is looking at and how fast or accurately he is seeing what's happening. This is an absurd assessment based on nothing. One **** scrimmage that you likely did not attend cannot tell you who goes through their reads better.

I said this in another thread and will say it again. JW played against the two defense with walk ons at dt, safety and lbs. OF COURSE HE LOOKED GOOD IN A CLEAN POCKET. He didnt have Nesta collapsing **** on him. Let's stop making **** up to feed whatever narrative you are hoping plays out. Lol. We have seen Jarren throw 30 passes in the stuff they show us and the couple of scrimmages. How can we come to any definitive conclusions? The only thing we know is he hasn't played in a game yet and hasn't lost the faith of the fans. He is the shiny new toy and now everyone wants to crown him with a very limited data set.

He looks good and made some good throws and made a few really bad decisions. One could argue based on the bad decisions that he was not seeing things well and not going through his progressions well on those plays. Just sayin.

Perfect post. No one knows **** about progressions and u have to look at the guys on D that they go up against

 

[TrueFloridian]

The thing that made Jarren stand out to me was his ability to feel pressure and make subtle moves to extend plays without dropping his eyes and panicking.

Perry and Tate might be better runners, but I don’t care about having a QB who tucks and runs at the first sign of pressure. You need a QB with functional mobility, which is the ability to make subtle moves while still looking to make plays in the pass game.

This was obvious at last years spring game, too.

 

[AUcane]

****, where ya been, @AlexCane? Good to see you back on the site and thanks for the post!

 

[SWFLHurricane]

I didn’t hear that, little brother. But his subtle movements in and around the pocket look so much better than the other guys. I’m not so sure that’s a teachable thing either. There are guys who have that feel and guys who don’t, and it’s usually one of the major factors that separates the top guys from the guys who aren’t.

Remember last year, as soon as Perry felt any pressure he’d duck his head and take off. Rosier was famous for that too.

Fans get too caught up in straight line speed with QBs and shuttle times and all that. Some of the fastest QBs over the years have also been the most often sacked. It’s the subtle footwork that matters way more than speed.

Exactly....

 

[ScorpioCane]

Those spread teams not winning nattys is not a good argument. Realistically there are only two teams that are winning nattys. One of them is full fledged spread. Look at all the teams that's gotten to the national title. Oregon, Ohio St, Auburn with Nick Marshall at QB (converted CB), Auburn with Cam Newton, Notre Dame. Oklahoma has been to the CFB. 90% of the Top 25 offenses are spread and it's not a coincidence, and it is translating to wins. If UCF ran a pro-style they would not have won the games they have the past few years.

U think we are in a position where we don't have to do more with less? Line up in I Formation in the ACCCG and see what happens. There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't run a true spread. Our QBs are most comfortable with it, majority of our recruits come from spread offenses, and the spread would mask some of the online deficiencies.

I hate to break this news to you but winning and/or competing for nattys is the only argument as a true UM fan, regardless of spread or pro-style offenses. And those spread teams not winning nattys is what matters for this conversation, again as I said from the beginning its does not matter what style of offense we run if the OC can not run an offense effectively when it counts and it does not translate to winning nattys . If a spread offense translates to winning as easy as you are portraying then I would like to know what happen last year when we lined up in the shotgun 98% of the time?

And for the record pro style does not mean I Formation and also does not mean we will not line up in shotgun and run some spread concepts.

You should probably consider changing your allegiance to UCF if all you are concerned about is the perception of having a top 25 spread offense and winning is an ancillary benefit. Those are goals for programs who have never won a natty let alone multiple nattys.

But I'm done with this debate, since running spread is all you care about as a UM fan and winning is secondary to that.

 

[blackvern]

How do we know who goes through progressions better than who? By his head turning? We have no idea who the keys are, who he is looking at and how fast or accurately he is seeing what's happening. This is an absurd assessment based on nothing. One **** scrimmage that you likely did not attend cannot tell you who goes through their reads better.

I said this in another thread and will say it again. JW played against the two defense with walk ons at dt, safety and lbs. OF COURSE HE LOOKED GOOD IN A CLEAN POCKET. He didnt have Nesta collapsing **** on him. Let's stop making **** up to feed whatever narrative you are hoping plays out. Lol. We have seen Jarren throw 30 passes in the stuff they show us and the couple of scrimmages. How can we come to any definitive conclusions? The only thing we know is he hasn't played in a game yet and hasn't lost the faith of the fans. He is the shiny new toy and now everyone wants to crown him with a very limited data set.

He looks good and made some good throws and made a few really bad decisions. One could argue based on the bad decisions that he was not seeing things well and not going through his progressions well on those plays. Just sayin.

Fake News

JArrens best drive of the second half was against the first team defense, thats when Osbourne dropped that pass in the back of the endzone on 3rd down

 

[CalCane]

I didn’t hear that, little brother. But his subtle movements in and around the pocket look so much better than the other guys. I’m not so sure that’s a teachable thing either. There are guys who have that feel and guys who don’t, and it’s usually one of the major factors that separates the top guys from the guys who aren’t.

Remember last year, as soon as Perry felt any pressure he’d duck his head and take off. Rosier was famous for that too.

Fans get too caught up in straight line speed with QBs and shuttle times and all that. Some of the fastest QBs over the years have also been the most often sacked. It’s the subtle footwork that matters way more than speed.

Yeah a guy named Brady. Another named Brees.

 

[MedleyCane]

For those that weren't able to go, here are my random thoughts:

1. Saw a lot of big sets from Enos. There were a lot of 2 TE sets and plenty of Realus George. A lot of plays were run under center.
2. It is a two-man race between Kosi and Jarren. Tate is clearly well behind both. I'll discuss Tate later.

Kosi and Jarren were pretty close from what I saw. I'm no pro scout, but if I had to say, I'd say Jarren throws a better ball. I'd guess that the job will go to the QB that displays better maturity and really digs into the playbook. I have a feeling the stuff we don't see (locker room, meetings, etc.) will determine who wins the job. I wonder if Kosi's conduct last year will stain this coaching staff's views or expectations of him.

3. Tate. Rough day. Candidly, if I didn't know better, I'd say he was a non-scholarship kid. He struggled. He reminded me of that lefty UNC kid. He's got some real skills running the ball, but he's way behind the other 2. Also, at least from what we saw of the offense, if a majority of plays will be run under center, it doesn't seem like Enos' offense is built for him. Without the benefit of replay and a crappy vantage point, it seemed to me he couldn't set his feet because balls were landing several feet in front of receivers. I don't think the issue was a lack of arm strength. There was a slant to Njoku that was thrown well behind him.

4. KJ Osborn looks like he'll be this team's Braxton Berrios. They have a different game, but he looks like he'll be Mr. Dependable. Physically, he's also more developed than the other WRs on the roster. He'll be a solid rotation guy and catch 25-40 this year. I'd expect him to be the guy the QBs look to on critical downs. He had 5 catches (I was there through the 3rd) from what I saw, although I think he dropped a TD pass on what looked to me like a well-thrown ball by Jarren.

5. Will Mallory strikes me as an NFL player. It's a small sample size but he looks and plays the part. He had a really nice play getting away from a tackler and extending the play.

6. Cam'ron Harris was the player of the day, IMO. He had a long run and two "wow" moves that drew ahhs from the crowd. Deejay is awesome but Cam'ron looks like a home run hitter, particularly when he gets outside. I suspect Deejay will get more carries between the tackles and will be the go-to back when Enos wants to tire out a defense. Deejay craves contact. I suspect Cam'ron will have more opportunities to get outside in space and bake. RB is a strength of this team (and we didn't get a chance to see Lingard). I thought we'd miss Homer but we'll be fine.

7. Bethel and Pope took KRs to the house. There was a nice fake punt that Deejay (I think) nearly returned to the house.

8. Baxa missed one, but otherwise made 3 or 4. He'll be solid.

9. Neither JT4 nor Big Jon Ford played. Jon Ford is bigger than nearly everyone even without pads!

10. Jordan Miller looks the part. Thick, stocky kid.

11. Njoku is an interesting guy. There was one pass that he snared and high-pointed and looked great doing so. It seems to me that he has the capability to make highlight plays. Does he have the every-down consistency to be trustworthy though? I don't know. He looks like a boom or bust career here.

12. Pope took an end-around nearly to the house. That kid looks like a nightmare in the open field. Quick, shifty, and twitchy.

13. Rousseau in the huddle looks like the varsity guy that snuck onto JV. I've seen him in person and he's a legit 6'5." In cleats on the field, he towers over everyone else. He likely would've had a sack.

14. I'm concerned about OL play. I wasn't observing who was where but overall, the unit struggled I thought.

15. Sightings: Sheldrick Redwine, Malek Young and Jaelan Phillips.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[HarryCarayisGoat]

Deejay needs to be our Najeh Davenport

 

[MIA42178]

JW is unquestionably more polished than Perry. Better footwork, release, and placement. And yet, his completion percentage was identical (shouldve been worse actually) against the lesser defense, and worse the previous game.

Fundamentals are awesome, but you gotta put down that work as well. JW gotta outperform Perry.

So far, he has not.

I don't wanna hear about who looks better.

Who is making plays?

Was Jarren running with 2’s himself? I mean on offense. Thanks for insight