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[reg]

Everybody with an agenda has been pulling the "as far as knowing what to do" line out of context and trying desperately to cover up the fact that Richt book-ended that statement by describing exactly what 'knowing what to do means.

I have no agenda. The only horse that I have in this race, is the one that Richt picks as the QB. To me, it's obvious that he wants that to be anyone but Malik, even though it may end up being Malik in the end.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I have no agenda. The only horse that I have in this race, is the one that Richt picks as the QB. To me, it's obvious that he wants that to be anyone but Malik, even though it may end up being Malik in the end.

Sorry. I meant no disrespect, and I wasn't directing that at you. Clearly there are those who've had an agenda since the recruitment of N'kosi Perry began. And while I hope the kid turns out to be a stud for us, I just never saw that "day 1 starter" that other people saw and still refuse to admit wasn't there. Like Jarron, Perry needs time to develop. How much time? I don't know. Perhaps one of the other guys get there before the fall. They do have a head start on the guy who didn't take the job seriously until his Junior year, and if that comes back to bite Malik in the ***, so be it.

 

[Brooklyndee]

There is no comparing Kaaya and Rosier. Anyone throwing up the coastal championship and wins vs Top 25 has lost their ability to accurately remember the differences in teams each played with and most importantly, individual performances in the games they played.

There is a laundry list of examples where games should and could have been won during Kaaya's tenure where factors beyond his control cost us wins.

He wasn't all world, he had his deficiencies, but the whole "Well Malik beat FSU" position when discussing the two QBs is preposterous.

So did kirby freeman da gaawd!

 

[kryptonite]

I think we also have to take into account the perception of "ceiling" for our QBs. I personally think what you got last year from Rosier is the maxed-out version. Everyone knows he has accuracy and mechanical issues. Everyone knows he's a one-read QB.

Certainly there's no way to know what Perry or Williams' ceilings are at this point, but I think the hope is that, once they pick up the playbook, they're higher than Rosier's.

The dilemma of course is, which QB gives you the best chance to win games right away. With LSU right out of the gate, I have to think it's Rosier - unless Perry or Williams show some amazing things in Fall camp. And if we beat LSU with Rosier at QB, you gotta figure he'll be the QB at least until FSU if not beyond.

Where it gets sticky IMO is if Rosier starts vs. LSU and stinks up the place. Then I'd like to see a short leash and get Williams/Perry in sooner than later.

Agree with all that, especially about going with the guy who gives you the best shot right now. I've got no problem playing a RF/F, but only if they look better than Rosier at this point. I'm not in the mood for a throw away year so the new guy can get experience.

But if it looks like we're losing anyway with Rosier, put the #2 in against LSU and see what they can do.

 

[Go Canes!!]

If you'll read my other posts, I'm not making it about just the FSU game. Kaaya didn't get the reputation for choking because he JUST lost to FSU three times. He was 1-7 against ranked teams, his only win coming against #18 West Virginia. And in those games he mostly played well. But throwing for 62% and 350 yards don't mean **** if you fade in the 4th. If you can't make that one throw you have to have to pick up that 4th down conversion or score that game winning TD.

Give me the guy who's 54% but has the balls to wave for the opposing fans to get louder right before he throw a game winning dagger in their hearts.

Sometimes the dagger is making the simple, accurate throw on 3rd and 4 to keep the clock running and their offense on the sideline late in a game.

Malik failed in that respect far too often last year.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Agree with all that, especially about going with the guy who gives you the best shot right now. I've got no problem playing a RF/F, but only if they look better than Rosier at this point. I'm not in the mood for a throw away year so the new guy can get experience.

But if it looks like we're losing anyway with Rosier, put the #2 in against LSU and see what they can do.

I'm just not buying the Malik can't improve angle. He's never going to be Peyton Manning back there, and he'll almost certainly never make it even to a practice squad at the next level, but how much improvement did we really need last season?

And where is all this "everyone knows he's a one-read QB" noise coming from? Who is everybody? Because it sure as **** ain't any of the coaches. In fact Richt said being able to go through proper progressions is one of the specific factors he considers when grading QBs right before saying "Malik is ahead of everybody, no question about it." I agree that was the case last season for the most part, but come on. He only just started even showing up in the film room. You're telling me that a guy can go from never going to start here to a 10 game winner with 31 TDs and over 3600 total yards in one off-season, but that's the cap? That's it? He can't improve even a tiny bit? He can't get from 54% to maybe 56 or 57%?

****, i'll go out on a limb and say that if we had 54% Malik instead of 44% Malik the last three games, we make the playoffs. Will 54% be enough this year? Will 57 or 57% get us over the hump? Not if we still struggle to run the ball, it won't.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I think we also have to take into account the perception of "ceiling" for our QBs. I personally think what you got last year from Rosier is the maxed-out version. Everyone knows he has accuracy and mechanical issues. Everyone knows he's a one-read QB.

Certainly there's no way to know what Perry or Williams' ceilings are at this point, but I think the hope is that, once they pick up the playbook, they're higher than Rosier's.

The dilemma of course is, which QB gives you the best chance to win games right away. With LSU right out of the gate, I have to think it's Rosier - unless Perry or Williams show some amazing things in Fall camp. And if we beat LSU with Rosier at QB, you gotta figure he'll be the QB at least until FSU if not beyond.

Where it gets sticky IMO is if Rosier starts vs. LSU and stinks up the place. Then I'd like to see a short leash and get Williams/Perry in sooner than later.

The thing is, it’s not impossible for any of the three QBs to catch and pass Malik before LSU. It’s extremely hard, but not impossible.

You would expect N’Kosi to have the lead over a true freshman and the scout team QB, because he was the legit number 2 at the end of last tear.

There will be almost 5 months after spring practice ends, and the key time will be from that last spring scrimmage/practice to August 1. Which of the 3 will put in the most time and effort, both on the field and in the film room, to take it from Malik.

It’s on THEIR SHOULDERS.

Imagine if it was you, and you had an opportunity to be the starting QB of the Miami Hurricanes. You’d think they’d move heaven and earth, not sleep, spend every spare second they had, doing whatever they could, to TAKE that job away.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Sometimes the dagger is making the simple, accurate throw on 3rd and 4 to keep the clock running and their offense on the sideline late in a game.

Malik failed in that respect far too often last year.

Not as often as every QB we've had since 2003.

 

[ghost2]

The thing is, it’s not impossible for any of the three QBs to catch and pass Malik before LSU. It’s extremely hard, but not impossible.

You would expect N’Kosi to have the lead over a true freshman and the scout team QB, because he was the legit number 2 at the end of last tear.

There will be almost 5 months after spring practice ends, and the key time will be from that last spring scrimmage/practice to August 1. Which of the 3 will put in the most time and effort, both on the field and in the film room, to take it from Malik.

It’s on THEIR SHOULDERS.

Imagine if it was you, and you had an opportunity to be the starting QB of the Miami Hurricanes. You’d think they’d move heaven and earth, not sleep, spend every spare second they had, doing whatever they could, to TAKE that job away.

Absolutely agree.

 

[scrantoncane]

I think we also have to take into account the perception of "ceiling" for our QBs. I personally think what you got last year from Rosier is the maxed-out version. Everyone knows he has accuracy and mechanical issues. Everyone knows he's a one-read QB.

Certainly there's no way to know what Perry or Williams' ceilings are at this point, but I think the hope is that, once they pick up the playbook, they're higher than Rosier's.

The dilemma of course is, which QB gives you the best chance to win games right away. With LSU right out of the gate, I have to think it's Rosier - unless Perry or Williams show some amazing things in Fall camp. And if we beat LSU with Rosier at QB, you gotta figure he'll be the QB at least until FSU if not beyond.

Where it gets sticky IMO is if Rosier starts vs. LSU and stinks up the place. Then I'd like to see a short leash and get Williams/Perry in sooner than later.

This is a good take that unfortunately I agree with. I think Malik gives us the best chance vs LSU.

I’ve always been in opposition of the QBs splitting series, but I think it’s the way we need to go to start this season. Malik the starter, Perry/Williams rotate in for series, until the are ready to take over the starting duties.

 

[k9cane]

Rosier's stats are the new '53-9'....Many of you who were on Canestime back about a decade ago will know what Im referring to

 

[GirthQuake]

Start at 3:10

“We don’t get too much into stats. We get into; Did you make the right decision as far as, we have to tell people who we concider a MIKE linebacker to set protections and run game and all that, so are you doing that right? Are you handing the ball off properly and carrying out your fake? When you do drop back to pass, are you going through the proper progression, and if it’s open, are you throwing an accurate ball? There are some balls that could be intercepted. Obviously if you throw a receiver a ball and it hits him right in the heart and it bounces up and it’s an interception, on the stat it’s an interception, but for us he gets a plus because he put it exactly where I asked him to put it. So we give an accuracy grade instead of a completion grade. We have a grade for doing their job properly. We have a grade for the technique of doing their job properly, which is mostly ball handling stuff. Then we have a grade for accuracy. That’s kinda how we grade. Malik is ahead of everybody as far of knowing what to do and how to do it. There’s no question. Even throughout the week, we had eight other practices. It was very evident that if we’re going to try to run our total system, he’s more than well equipped to do it.”

No. I'm not an insider. But I also am not foolish enough to just blindly believe that Malik can't run the offense, can't read the defense, can't call out protection and alignment, and can't make it past his first read just because some anonymous person on an internet message board says so when I have the coach saying the exact opposite.

**** yo chart.

**** bro I'm not trying to get you riled up
But you're being a straight hypocrite rn man you're getting salty because people aren't agreeing with you

 

[orange&green84]

say huh?

maybe you meant Homer? I assume??

IF so, Walton was the better runner and receiver

Yes, I meant Homer. I don't disagree that Walton was the better overall RB. But it's not by a significant margin which is the main point.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Absolutely agree.

I mean, there it is.

Right in front of you.

The opportunity of a lifetime.

It’s just that sometimes when we’re young we don’t fully realize it. Hopefully one of them gets it. Because they may not EVER have an opportunity like this again.

One of those guys can literally change the trajectory of their lives by busting their humps over a few months. They pretty much all have the physical skills. Do they have the will and desire?

 

[OkieCane]

No shlt.

It's sad that supposed "fans" will do this, but a few here absolutely will

 

[orange&green84]

I see your point here. However, I think all of the coaches, especially Richt, have been very strategic about their messaging, almost like a talking point for a politician. The coaches keep using different variations of the same phrase, "as it relates to knowing what to do, Malik is far ahead!" Anytime a question is asked about whether or not Malik is still ahead in the race, they preface their message with said phrase. That sounds calculated to me.

It's one thing to know something; it's another thing to execute what you know. If I know that simple principle, clearly so do our coaches. To me, this is basic. If Richt didn't want it to be a QB competition, it would not be a QB competition. Prior and during his first spring at Miami, he stated that the only person on the entire team who was locked in as a starter, was Brad Kaaya! Richt could have very easily done the same thing with Malik, but he didn't and hasn't. Kaaya was the incumbent starter(Malik). Malik was a redshirt SO (Perry). Jack Allison was a true freshman (Williams). There was actually more experience behind Kaaya than it is with Malik, because Malik was a redshirt SO and Perry is just a redshirt FR (Williams and Allison cancels each other out).

The whole, "every position is up for grabs" is just coach speak. That may apply for some positions, but not QB, unless the coach is looking for the incumbent to be unseated. Every coach in America, especially a QB Head Coach like Richt, would love to go into Spring, Summer, and Fall knowing who is going to be under center. This race is more than what meets the eye.

Ding ding ding

And it's very telling that this is occurring while Malik's a 5th year senior.

 

[OkieCane]

I REALLY want this kid to step up and be the man @ QB. I don't know what level of HS ball he played but in his Jr/Sr season he threw for 5630 yards, 54 TDs and 8 Ints. Fingers crossed he's the one.

Jarren Williams
Jarren Williams comes to Miami from Central Gwinnett High School in Georgia. Coach Mark Richt poached Williams from his old backyard only 45 minutes from the UGA campus. The Bulldogs pulled in Justin Fields, also from Georgia, and Miami was able to bring Williams down to Florida. Williams is more compact than Perry standing at 6’2 and 205 pounds. When he rolls out and throws he reminds me of Baker Mayfield. Williams threaded the needle in his highlight tape and put some balls into windows that will close much quicker at the college level. Where Perry’s tape showed too many fades, Williams’ tape has more variety showing he can make a multitude of throws and reads.
Williams also played in a national showcase game as he’s considered a blue chip prospect. Williams was a member of the Elite 11 along with Fields and Trevor Lawrence (Clemson) who were the top two rated players in the country in 2018. Williams was the 77th rated player in the 2018 recruiting class. Williams had a 9.6 composite ranking from 247 Sports as a four-star quarterback.

 

[ghost2]

Rosier's stats are the new '53-9'....Many of you who were on Canestime back about a decade ago will know what Im referring to

I hear you k9 but to me it wasn't just about statistics with Rosier, especially when we were winning. That kid has HEART and he gutted out some really signature plays last year. I'd say a better comparison might be Brock Berlin - good when the offense is tailored specifically to his strengths (see UF 2003/most of 2004), terrible when it's not (the rest of 2003, esp the UT game.) Brock's 03 UT game was Malik's Pitt game last year. A flat-out terrible performance with everything to play for on the line.

 

[rsa coral gables]

I hear you k9 but to me it wasn't just about statistics with Rosier, especially when we were winning. That kid has HEART and he gutted out some really signature plays last year. I'd say a better comparison might be Brock Berlin - good when the offense is tailored specifically to his strengths (see UF 2003/most of 2004), terrible when it's not (the rest of 2003, esp the UT game.) Brock's 03 UT game was Malik's Pitt game last year. A flat-out terrible performance with everything to play for on the line.

people are so godd@m polemic. Rosier is both good AND bad, a concept that some people on here have a difficult time understanding. he's neither the GOAT or the WOAT. he had some great plays, had some great throws and won some great, memorable games. he also had some very poor throws, plays and losses. and yes we could have gone further if he had played better.

and unfortunately he might be the best we got right now AND against LSU.

what is so godd@m difficult to understand about that?

 

[k9cane]

I hear you k9 but to me it wasn't just about statistics with Rosier, especially when we were winning. That kid has HEART and he gutted out some really signature plays last year. I'd say a better comparison might be Brock Berlin - good when the offense is tailored specifically to his strengths (see UF 2003/most of 2004), terrible when it's not (the rest of 2003, esp the UT game.) Brock's 03 UT game was Malik's Pitt game last year. A flat-out terrible performance with everything to play for on the line.

I dont disagree ghost but its just my opinion is that for Miami to get to the next level they need better QB play(which I simply dont think Rosy can provide - and hopefully Im wrong). I just look at the weapons the Canes have this upcoming season and it would be a **** shame if they didnt have a triggerman who could consistently make - and see - the routine plays

If Richt believes 12 is our best QB, so be it. I just hope he can be better than what he showed last year.