Scarlett VS Walton

[kev13108]

Scarlett is bigger withj a 20/25 lb. advantage...Scarlett is faster...Scarlett will have a bigger more advanced O-line to block for him....

Wait... so you're still saying Scarlett is better??????

I'd still go all in on Scarlett being better than Walton. It's always been that way, and it's pretty obvious when you watch the 2 play.

This isn't a good thread bump for BigDikCane. He starts by going all in on Walton over Scarlett, then later says Yearby would start over Cook, after their Freshman years in college. Yikes

The "yikes" is you putting a bust like Scarlett ahead of Walton.

If that's not proof of your delusional hatred, I don't know what is.

I went through all this with Yearby vs. Cook when Yearby was getting more carries and putting up more yards in HS. When you watched them, the difference was obvious. I never understood what people were watching, only that Yearby was going to Miami.

It's a smaller gap in the Scarlett vs. Walton comparison, but still obvious when you watch them. And I think people have the orange & green blinders on here too.

Walton has Scarlett killed in TD's in receiving, no question. But UF doesn't throw to their RB's, their passing offense has been terrible, and they play a tougher schedule. Despite that, Scarlett only had 228 less yards on 30 less carries. Not sure how that makes Scarlett a "bust".

When you watch them run, Scarlett's superior athleticism, speed, physicality, and running ability is obvious. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident that Scarlett is the better RB.

Lol take your gator blinders off you Fa**ot

 

[Canemang]

Scarlett is bigger withj a 20/25 lb. advantage...Scarlett is faster...Scarlett will have a bigger more advanced O-line to block for him....

Wait... so you're still saying Scarlett is better??????

I'd still go all in on Scarlett being better than Walton. It's always been that way, and it's pretty obvious when you watch the 2 play.

This isn't a good thread bump for BigDikCane. He starts by going all in on Walton over Scarlett, then later says Yearby would start over Cook, after their Freshman years in college. Yikes

The "yikes" is you putting a bust like Scarlett ahead of Walton.

If that's not proof of your delusional hatred, I don't know what is.

I went through all this with Yearby vs. Cook when Yearby was getting more carries and putting up more yards in HS. When you watched them, the difference was obvious. I never understood what people were watching, only that Yearby was going to Miami.

It's a smaller gap in the Scarlett vs. Walton comparison, but still obvious when you watch them. And I think people have the orange & green blinders on here too.

Walton has Scarlett killed in TD's in receiving, no question. But UF doesn't throw to their RB's, their passing offense has been terrible, and they play a tougher schedule. Despite that, Scarlett only had 228 less yards on 30 less carries. Not sure how that makes Scarlett a "bust".

When you watch them run, Scarlett's superior athleticism, speed, physicality, and running ability is obvious. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident that Scarlett is the better RB.

I've watched them both many of times, you're full of **** if you think Scarlett is better than Walton. The only advantage he has over Walton is speed (and not by much).

Vision same
Balance - Walton
Ability to break tackles - Walton
Receiving - Walton
Pass Pro - Walton


Lmao at using the excuse that UF doesn't throw to their RB.....

 

[brock]

Walton is >>>> than Scarlett at this point let's be real. The film shows it period. I don't know about you guys but I don't see 4.3 speed when Scarlett actually play in pads. We have seen Walton break plenty of long runs last year. He looked like a legit 4.4 guy on that block he gave on ahmmon richards td vs wvu though..

 

[bshaw28]

I've watched them both many of times, you're full of **** if you think Scarlett is better than Walton. The only advantage he has over Walton is speed (and not by much).

Vision same
Balance - Walton
Ability to break tackles - Walton
Receiving - Walton
Pass Pro - Walton


Lmao at using the excuse that UF doesn't throw to their RB.....

When both were committed to Miami, I posted about how I thought Scarlett was much better. I see the same things in College I did in HS.

Advantages - I look at their last year like this - Would you rather have?

Coach - Richt or McElwain?
QB - Kaaya or 1/2 Luke Del Rio, 1/2 Austin Appleby?
OL - Miami or UF?
WR - Coley/Richards or Callaway/Powell?
TE - Njoku/Herndon or Goolsby/Lewis?

IMO - Walton has a huge advantage by playing with better coaching, and in a more high powered offense surrounded by better players and offensive weapons.

Measurables

Scarlett is taller, bigger, faster, more athletic. That's just a fact. Just look at their numbers from The Opening in 2014 - https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2014/7/8/5881543/2014-sparq-combine-results-the-opening

Your Comparisons
Vision - same. It's pretty subjective, but even the biggest Walton fans would admit Vision is not his strength. I think both spend way too much time dancing and should hit the hole harder
Balance - Walton. Agree. Walton has great balance, and that's the main reason for him breaking his longest runs last year
Ability to break tackles - Walton. Disagree. If you look at their highlights I think you see Scarlett running tougher and through more people
Receiving - Walton. Agree. Walton has better hands. But I think Scarlett would have better RAC ability if he got the ball more in open space
Pass Pro - Walton. Disagree. See below. Walton may read the man to block better, but he gets run over way too many times.


Pass Pro - First clip, he gets completely trucked. Because of his small size, you can see it's very hard for him to stand his ground when taking on a rusher straight up at 0:05, 4:30, 4:39, 5:50. He does much better when going low like at 0:57.

Losses - The runs for losses at 0:34, 2:18, 4:08, 6:04 are too much on the OL, who are only partly to blame. Walton's style/vision leads to way too many losses. Much more than any other RB since he's been here. I can show what I mean if you disagree.

[video=youtube;S4Vd5-N2xsw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4Vd5-N2xsw&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

[Plzwork4]

Your examples were complete bull****. Hilarious.

 

[MT-hurricane]

Who writes a diatribe like that just to "prove" a gator is better than a Miami player? Wow that post sucked.

 

[bshaw28]

Walton is >>>> than Scarlett at this point let's be real. The film shows it period. I don't know about you guys but I don't see 4.3 speed when Scarlett actually play in pads. We have seen Walton break plenty of long runs last year. He looked like a legit 4.4 guy on that block he gave on ahmmon richards td vs wvu though..

I understand why you feel Walton's better. I just disagree.

Walton looked fast in that clip because he was running straight down the field while Richards was running sideline to sideline in traffic.

Walton says "I'm not the fastest back". Brown says "he's not the fastest back". Why would you say he runs a 4.4 when both he & coach admit to him not having speed? Can you find any link or reference anywhere of him running any better than a 4.6?

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I've watched them both many of times, you're full of **** if you think Scarlett is better than Walton. The only advantage he has over Walton is speed (and not by much).

Vision same
Balance - Walton
Ability to break tackles - Walton
Receiving - Walton
Pass Pro - Walton


Lmao at using the excuse that UF doesn't throw to their RB.....

When both were committed to Miami, I posted about how I thought Scarlett was much better. I see the same things in College I did in HS.

Advantages - I look at their last year like this - Would you rather have?

Coach - Richt or McElwain?
QB - Kaaya or 1/2 Luke Del Rio, 1/2 Austin Appleby?
OL - Miami or UF?
WR - Coley/Richards or Callaway/Powell?
TE - Njoku/Herndon or Goolsby/Lewis?

IMO - Walton has a huge advantage by playing with better coaching, and in a more high powered offense surrounded by better players and offensive weapons.

Measurables

Scarlett is taller, bigger, faster, more athletic. That's just a fact. Just look at their numbers from The Opening in 2014 - https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2014/7/8/5881543/2014-sparq-combine-results-the-opening

Your Comparisons
Vision - same. It's pretty subjective, but even the biggest Walton fans would admit Vision is not his strength. I think both spend way too much time dancing and should hit the hole harder
Balance - Walton. Agree. Walton has great balance, and that's the main reason for him breaking his longest runs last year
Ability to break tackles - Walton. Disagree. If you look at their highlights I think you see Scarlett running tougher and through more people
Receiving - Walton. Agree. Walton has better hands. But I think Scarlett would have better RAC ability if he got the ball more in open space
Pass Pro - Walton. Disagree. See below. Walton may read the man to block better, but he gets run over way too many times.


Pass Pro - First clip, he gets completely trucked. Because of his small size, you can see it's very hard for him to stand his ground when taking on a rusher straight up at 0:05, 4:30, 4:39, 5:50. He does much better when going low like at 0:57.

Losses - The runs for losses at 0:34, 2:18, 4:08, 6:04 are too much on the OL, who are only partly to blame. Walton's style/vision leads to way too many losses. Much more than any other RB since he's been here. I can show what I mean if you disagree.

[video=youtube;S4Vd5-N2xsw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4Vd5-N2xsw&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Motherfūcker writes a fūcking thesis trying to prove his bullshīt case that a gaturd is better than a cane, when the actual college stats PROVE otherwise.

Get all the way outta here gaturd lover - GFY and then DIAF

 

[rekofred]

This makes me want to vomit in a b!tches mouth. Why is there even a question? The **** stats speak for themselves in this conversation. I admit scarlett represents potential beyond walton but i wouldnt trade for jack ****. Give me mark and the funky bunch all day and especially saturday. Mr scarlett wont even make a nfl practice squad. ***** that traitor

 

[rekofred]

Thanks for bleeping me CIS. Seriously I do appreciate it. Policing myself is quite bothersome

 

[Dwinstitles]

Scarlett and it ain't close, and it brings you Bruce also so Scarlett easily.

lol

I can't knock Dwins. I was on the same Scarlett train. Thought he was a stud

We cant always be right man everything is wait and see until the lights come on we will all be wrong at some point

 

[Dwinstitles]

Walton is >>>> than Scarlett at this point let's be real. The film shows it period. I don't know about you guys but I don't see 4.3 speed when Scarlett actually play in pads. We have seen Walton break plenty of long runs last year. He looked like a legit 4.4 guy on that block he gave on ahmmon richards td vs wvu though..

He looked fast as fuq hes probably the biggest surprise to me in that class.......also take into the fact that this is his first real year with his body matured like shaq mcloud pickney and Ahmon......u will see different players and better players. They r at that sophmore stage where your body is mature for college football.....they will be better than last season

Scarlett had all the measurables but hasnt put it together.....I dont watch gator football to know if its his OL or what I guess time will tell. I hope he doesnt do well at all for playing us like he did fuq him

 

[jw410]

Walton is a **** gunnner on specials....get this thread and b Shaw away from me.

 

[LoyalCane24]

I'm not gonna bet you because I think I agree with you. I'd still like to have signed Scarlett if for nothing else it would have helped with Sam Bruce.

Welp

 

[Pearson704]

Scarlett is bigger withj a 20/25 lb. advantage...Scarlett is faster...Scarlett will have a bigger more advanced O-line to block for him....

Wait... so you're still saying Scarlett is better??????

I'd still go all in on Scarlett being better than Walton. It's always been that way, and it's pretty obvious when you watch the 2 play.

This isn't a good thread bump for BigDikCane. He starts by going all in on Walton over Scarlett, then later says Yearby would start over Cook, after their Freshman years in college. Yikes

The "yikes" is you putting a bust like Scarlett ahead of Walton.

If that's not proof of your delusional hatred, I don't know what is.

I went through all this with Yearby vs. Cook when Yearby was getting more carries and putting up more yards in HS. When you watched them, the difference was obvious. I never understood what people were watching, only that Yearby was going to Miami.

It's a smaller gap in the Scarlett vs. Walton comparison, but still obvious when you watch them. And I think people have the orange & green blinders on here too.

Walton has Scarlett killed in TD's in receiving, no question. But UF doesn't throw to their RB's, their passing offense has been terrible, and they play a tougher schedule. Despite that, Scarlett only had 228 less yards on 30 less carries. Not sure how that makes Scarlett a "bust".

When you watch them run, Scarlett's superior athleticism, speed, physicality, and running ability is obvious. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident that Scarlett is the better RB.

Nah, Scartlett runs too upright, isn't physical, and other than his above average speed doesn't have elite talent or great feel for the position. Walton is a tough RB with elite balance, elusiveness, and good feel for the position, who's been running behind offensive lines degrees worse than UF's and FSU's over the last several years. Despite the gap in Oline talent, Walton's production has been way better than JS and that's credit to Mark's work ethic, ability and determination..

I'm not sure what you're watching...

BTW, I've always thought DC was better than JY but you have to credit FSU's system and talent for Dalvin's production. JS, JY, and MW could have performed similarly to what DC has done at FSU given the opportunity in the same system, IMO.

 

[Pearson704]

Scarlett and it ain't close, and it brings you Bruce also so Scarlett easily.

lol

I can't knock Dwins. I was on the same Scarlett train. Thought he was a stud

We cant always be right man everything is wait and see until the lights come on we will all be wrong at some point

It's not about being wrong. It's about being dead-*** wrong and "it ain't even close".

 

[DTP]

One guy is an all conference performer and the other guy is a bust. There's no if ands or buts. It's not that Walton is this once in a lifetime talent. He's a pretty good back. Scarlett is a bum.

 

[bshaw28]

Wait... so you're still saying Scarlett is better??????

I'd still go all in on Scarlett being better than Walton. It's always been that way, and it's pretty obvious when you watch the 2 play.

This isn't a good thread bump for BigDikCane. He starts by going all in on Walton over Scarlett, then later says Yearby would start over Cook, after their Freshman years in college. Yikes

The "yikes" is you putting a bust like Scarlett ahead of Walton.

If that's not proof of your delusional hatred, I don't know what is.

I went through all this with Yearby vs. Cook when Yearby was getting more carries and putting up more yards in HS. When you watched them, the difference was obvious. I never understood what people were watching, only that Yearby was going to Miami.

It's a smaller gap in the Scarlett vs. Walton comparison, but still obvious when you watch them. And I think people have the orange & green blinders on here too.

Walton has Scarlett killed in TD's in receiving, no question. But UF doesn't throw to their RB's, their passing offense has been terrible, and they play a tougher schedule. Despite that, Scarlett only had 228 less yards on 30 less carries. Not sure how that makes Scarlett a "bust".

When you watch them run, Scarlett's superior athleticism, speed, physicality, and running ability is obvious. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident that Scarlett is the better RB.

Nah, Scartlett runs too upright, isn't physical, and other than his above average speed doesn't have elite talent or great feel for the position. Walton is a tough RB with elite balance, elusiveness, and good feel for the position, who's been running behind offensive lines degrees worse than UF's and FSU's over the last several years. Despite the gap in Oline talent, Walton's production has been way better than JS and that's credit to Mark's work ethic, ability and determination..

I'm not sure what you're watching...

BTW, I've always thought DC was better than JY but you have to credit FSU's system and talent for Dalvin's production. JS, JY, and MW could have performed similarly to what DC has done at FSU given the opportunity in the same system, IMO.

I totally understand if people think Walton is better than Scarlett, it's just not my opinion.

For the OL - in the last 2 years in the draft - Florida has had 1 4th rounder, Miami has had 1 5th rounder, and FSU has had 1 5th rounder. Both UF & FSU gave up more sacks than Miami in both 2016 & 2015. UF was dead last, ranked 128th in sacks allowed in 2015. I would say the OL has been pretty even.

I think you're underselling Cook. Yes, FSU definitely had the best system to play in. But Cook was a high 2nd round NFL draft pick while Yearby didn't even get invited to the NFL combine. If Cook had gone to Miami and Yearby & Walton had gone to FSU, we'd be on a 3 game win streak vs. FSU right now. Cook single handedly beat Miami all 3 years he was at FSU.

 

[BigDikCane]

I'd still go all in on Scarlett being better than Walton. It's always been that way, and it's pretty obvious when you watch the 2 play.

This isn't a good thread bump for BigDikCane. He starts by going all in on Walton over Scarlett, then later says Yearby would start over Cook, after their Freshman years in college. Yikes

The "yikes" is you putting a bust like Scarlett ahead of Walton.

If that's not proof of your delusional hatred, I don't know what is.

I went through all this with Yearby vs. Cook when Yearby was getting more carries and putting up more yards in HS. When you watched them, the difference was obvious. I never understood what people were watching, only that Yearby was going to Miami.

It's a smaller gap in the Scarlett vs. Walton comparison, but still obvious when you watch them. And I think people have the orange & green blinders on here too.

Walton has Scarlett killed in TD's in receiving, no question. But UF doesn't throw to their RB's, their passing offense has been terrible, and they play a tougher schedule. Despite that, Scarlett only had 228 less yards on 30 less carries. Not sure how that makes Scarlett a "bust".

When you watch them run, Scarlett's superior athleticism, speed, physicality, and running ability is obvious. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident that Scarlett is the better RB.

Nah, Scartlett runs too upright, isn't physical, and other than his above average speed doesn't have elite talent or great feel for the position. Walton is a tough RB with elite balance, elusiveness, and good feel for the position, who's been running behind offensive lines degrees worse than UF's and FSU's over the last several years. Despite the gap in Oline talent, Walton's production has been way better than JS and that's credit to Mark's work ethic, ability and determination..

I'm not sure what you're watching...

BTW, I've always thought DC was better than JY but you have to credit FSU's system and talent for Dalvin's production. JS, JY, and MW could have performed similarly to what DC has done at FSU given the opportunity in the same system, IMO.

I totally understand if people think Walton is better than Scarlett, it's just not my opinion.

For the OL - in the last 2 years in the draft - Florida has had 1 4th rounder, Miami has had 1 5th rounder, and FSU has had 1 5th rounder. Both UF & FSU gave up more sacks than Miami in both 2016 & 2015. UF was dead last, ranked 128th in sacks allowed in 2015. I would say the OL has been pretty even.

I think you're underselling Cook. Yes, FSU definitely had the best system to play in. But Cook was a high 2nd round NFL draft pick while Yearby didn't even get invited to the NFL combine. If Cook had gone to Miami and Yearby & Walton had gone to FSU, we'd be on a 3 game win streak vs. FSU right now. Cook single handedly beat Miami all 3 years he was at FSU.

WTF u smoking... I need some of that ****

 

[Pearson704]

I'd still go all in on Scarlett being better than Walton. It's always been that way, and it's pretty obvious when you watch the 2 play.

This isn't a good thread bump for BigDikCane. He starts by going all in on Walton over Scarlett, then later says Yearby would start over Cook, after their Freshman years in college. Yikes

The "yikes" is you putting a bust like Scarlett ahead of Walton.

If that's not proof of your delusional hatred, I don't know what is.

I went through all this with Yearby vs. Cook when Yearby was getting more carries and putting up more yards in HS. When you watched them, the difference was obvious. I never understood what people were watching, only that Yearby was going to Miami.

It's a smaller gap in the Scarlett vs. Walton comparison, but still obvious when you watch them. And I think people have the orange & green blinders on here too.

Walton has Scarlett killed in TD's in receiving, no question. But UF doesn't throw to their RB's, their passing offense has been terrible, and they play a tougher schedule. Despite that, Scarlett only had 228 less yards on 30 less carries. Not sure how that makes Scarlett a "bust".

When you watch them run, Scarlett's superior athleticism, speed, physicality, and running ability is obvious. Time will tell, but I'm pretty confident that Scarlett is the better RB.

Nah, Scartlett runs too upright, isn't physical, and other than his above average speed doesn't have elite talent or great feel for the position. Walton is a tough RB with elite balance, elusiveness, and good feel for the position, who's been running behind offensive lines degrees worse than UF's and FSU's over the last several years. Despite the gap in Oline talent, Walton's production has been way better than JS and that's credit to Mark's work ethic, ability and determination..

I'm not sure what you're watching...

BTW, I've always thought DC was better than JY but you have to credit FSU's system and talent for Dalvin's production. JS, JY, and MW could have performed similarly to what DC has done at FSU given the opportunity in the same system, IMO.

I totally understand if people think Walton is better than Scarlett, it's just not my opinion.

For the OL - in the last 2 years in the draft - Florida has had 1 4th rounder, Miami has had 1 5th rounder, and FSU has had 1 5th rounder. Both UF & FSU gave up more sacks than Miami in both 2016 & 2015. UF was dead last, ranked 128th in sacks allowed in 2015. I would say the OL has been pretty even.

I think you're underselling Cook. Yes, FSU definitely had the best system to play in. But Cook was a high 2nd round NFL draft pick while Yearby didn't even get invited to the NFL combine. If Cook had gone to Miami and Yearby & Walton had gone to FSU, we'd be on a 3 game win streak vs. FSU right now. Cook single handedly beat Miami all 3 years he was at FSU.

Miami players consistently outperform their draft position, so looking at where players get drafted isn't a great proxy for their talent level. Also, sacks come about for many reasons... Sometimes WR don't get open, coaches make bad calls, QBs hold the ball too long, no running game... I haven't watched enough film to say what UF's problems were, but based on the games I did see and tapes above, there weren't defenders consistently in the backfield and JS had some nice holes to run through.

Also, Richt needed to keep 9 guys back at times to throw a deep ball and regularly kept 8 in passing situations that weren't RPO quick reads, so add that to the fact Brad has a quickish release and you see Miami went out of their way to help the Oline not have to protect for too long. Not sure the same can be said about UF.

As far as Cook, i'm not underselling him at all. Just look at his highlights and tell me when he encounters the first defender. Most were second-level defenders after he was able to accelerate through the line, and many college level starting caliber backs would be able to break arm-tackles under similar circumstances. Dalvin was barely touched all year, which is a credit to Jimbo's system, recruiting, and coaching. Compare his highlights to Mark Walton's who looks like a Wolverine character fighting 11 dudes at once. There's no comparison.