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I also wouldn’t put Lane or Sarkisian in that boat. To me they are Pete Carrol disciples if anything.

Next we will be calling Bill O’Brien a Saban disciple
 
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SouthParkCane said:
Your last sentence makes him a disciple.
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I disagree. He was with Saban for how long? To me, a coaching disciple is someone that was working under an established coach BEFORE he landed a big time job. Kiffin had 3 major jobs (including one in the NFL) before he ever got to Saban. IMO Kiffin is more of a Pete Carroll disciple, that learned some things while he was having a few cups of coffee in Tuscaloosa. It's semantics, but Saban does deserve a good deal of credit for his current success.
 
KANE said:
I disagree. He was with Saban for how long? To me, a coaching disciple is someone that was working under an established coach BEFORE he landed a big time job. Kiffin had 3 major jobs (including one in the NFL) before he ever got to Saban. IMO Kiffin is more of a Pete Carroll disciple, that learned some things while he was having a few cups of coffee in Tuscaloosa. It's semantics, but Saban does deserve a good deal of credit for his current success.
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And that’s just fanspeak honestly. That’s not how coaches view it amongst themselves. I know lane a little bit too. He had more than a cup of coffee. If you ask him he learned more there than anywhere
 
gacaneaddict said:
Saban
Dabo
Day
Smart
Harbaugh
Riley
B. Kelly
Kiffin
C. Kelly
Leach
Gundy
Fisher

Huepel
Mario
Franklin
Whittingham

Dykes
Doehren

Im just listing names off I would say top 15 ish for Mario.
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Good one on chip Kelly. I think what he’s done at ucla has been a slow burn but they look good. And they play second fiddle in their own city
 
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KANE said:
I disagree. He was with Saban for how long? To me, a coaching disciple is someone that was working under an established coach BEFORE he landed a big time job. Kiffin had 3 major jobs (including one in the NFL) before he ever got to Saban. IMO Kiffin is more of a Pete Carroll disciple, that learned some things while he was having a few cups of coffee in Tuscaloosa. It's semantics, but Saban does deserve a good deal of credit for his current success.
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This. Add to it his **** dad was a long tenured nfl coach.
 
AUcane said:
Disagree with that. By the time Jimbo left, that lockeroom was a toxic mess.
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Would you say it was similar to the mess left behind by Dennis Errickson?

My point being that winning a national title absolves a coach of how they left the program. Jimbo won a title at FSU.
 
SouthParkCane said:
And that’s just fanspeak honestly. That’s not how coaches view it amongst themselves. I know lane a little bit too. He had more than a cup of coffee. If you ask him he learned more there than anywhere
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I respectfully disagree because I know quite a bit of college coaches, and the ones I talk to, lean more in the opposite direction. We're all branches off of someone's "tree". The disciple stuff is just fanspeak, but the thought is once you become an established coach (head coach, OC, or DC), your underlings are effectively the start of your own "tree", even though you're still a branch off of someone else's. All coaches have roots (whether it's O/D scheme, play calling, terminology, or whatever) in systems that they believe in. Like I have been in this coaching thing for so long (about 25 years), I can **** near tell an OC's or DC's system roots, just by watching game film, or hearing him make a play call. You can see and hear the similarities in each call. Once you become an established coach, you can pick up stuff you like from other coaches, but you not from their "tree". Like Rhett Lashlee can work for Manny Diaz, for 12 years, but he's not, nor will he ever be from the Manny Diaz "tree" (LMAO at the thought of Manny actually having a coaching tree). He's a Gus Malzhan guy. Same with Mullen, he can work anywhere he chooses, for anyone he chooses to work for, for however long he wants to, but he's still a branch off of Urban Meyer. If you ask me, the Saban/Kiffin marriage was a helluva trade off. Lane got the info on the inner secrets of how to coach a big time program and Saban got the ins and outs of a modern day pro style offense, which as of 2022, Bama's O still has some of Lane's fingerprints on it. Now you don't have to agree with me. It's your right, but that's how coaches see it.
 
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KANE said:
I respectfully disagree because I know quite a bit of college coaches, and the ones I talk to, lean more in the opposite direction. We're all branches off of someone's "tree". The disciple stuff is just fanspeak, but the thought is once you become an established coach (head coach, OC, or DC), your underlings are effectively the start of your own "tree", even though you're still a branch off of someone else's. All coaches have roots (whether it's O/D scheme, play calling, terminology, or whatever) in systems that they believe in. Like I have been in this coaching thing for so long (about 25 years), I can **** near tell an OC's or DC's system roots, just by watching game film, or hearing him make a play call. You can see and hear the similarities in each call. Once you become an established coach, you can pick up stuff you like from other coaches, but you not from their "tree". Like Rhett Lashlee can work for Manny Diaz, for 12 years, but he's not, nor will he ever be from the Manny Diaz "tree" (LMAO at the thought of Manny actually having a coaching tree). He's a Gus Malzhan guy. Same with Mullen, he can work anywhere he chooses, for anyone he chooses to work for, for however long he wants to, but he's still a branch off of Urban Meyer. If you ask me, the Saban/Kiffin marriage was a helluva trade off. Lane got the info on the inner secrets of how to coach a big time program and Saban got the ins and outs of a modern day pro style offense, which as of 2022, Bama's O still has some of Lane's fingerprints on it. Now you don't have to agree with me. It's your right, but that's how coaches see it.
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We can agree to disagree for sure
 
KANE said:
Yes, for making him a better overall coach and CEO of a program. But unlike his other "disciples", or branches of his tree, he had other big time jobs before Saban. Even a NFL gig.
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Kiffin is also the son of NFL DC Monte Kiffin, and an assistant under Norm Chow and HC Pete Carroll at USC.

What Saban gave Kiffin was organization and structure to run a program. The same things Mario and other Bama assistants learn. The Bama Way. This doesn’t mean they didn’t have other influences. i.e. Butch and Mario.

Kirby Smart would be Saban disciple. He was attached to Saban’s hip for most of his career, waiting for the UGA job.
 
KANE said:
I respectfully disagree because I know quite a bit of college coaches, and the ones I talk to, lean more in the opposite direction. We're all branches off of someone's "tree". The disciple stuff is just fanspeak, but the thought is once you become an established coach (head coach, OC, or DC), your underlings are effectively the start of your own "tree", even though you're still a branch off of someone else's. All coaches have roots (whether it's O/D scheme, play calling, terminology, or whatever) in systems that they believe in. Like I have been in this coaching thing for so long (about 25 years), I can **** near tell an OC's or DC's system roots, just by watching game film, or hearing him make a play call. You can see and hear the similarities in each call. Once you become an established coach, you can pick up stuff you like from other coaches, but you not from their "tree". Like Rhett Lashlee can work for Manny Diaz, for 12 years, but he's not, nor will he ever be from the Manny Diaz "tree" (LMAO at the thought of Manny actually having a coaching tree). He's a Gus Malzhan guy. Same with Mullen, he can work anywhere he chooses, for anyone he chooses to work for, for however long he wants to, but he's still a branch off of Urban Meyer. If you ask me, the Saban/Kiffin marriage was a helluva trade off. Lane got the info on the inner secrets of how to coach a big time program and Saban got the ins and outs of a modern day pro style offense, which as of 2022, Bama's O still has some of Lane's fingerprints on it. Now you don't have to agree with me. It's your right, but that's how coaches see it.
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This is how i see it.

Lane Kiffin likely during practice at Bama tried to embarass Sabans defense...He aint off of his tree at all...especially being on the other side of the ball.

I dont even see much in coaching philosophy that is similar seeing how conservative saban is...matter of fact i may consider Mario to be off of his tree considering if you know the coaching game an ol coach and a dc likely are more similar...and u see how conservative offenses are under Mario. Lane doesnt even recruit like saban lol
 
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