Rumph to UM

[CanesAreAble]

No i said when he took his first coaching job..not a GA position...

Saban was a defensive GA/Assistant for 9 YEARS IN COLLEGE before he EVER landed his FIRST position coaching job. See the difference yet?

1972–1974 Kent State (GA)

1975–1976 Kent State (D. Asst.)

1977 Syracuse (D. Asst.)

1978–1979 West Virginia (D. Asst.)

1980–1981 Ohio State (DB)

1982 Navy (D. Asst.)

1983–1987 Michigan State (DB/DC)

1988–1989 Houston Oilers (DB)

1990 Toledo

1991–1994 Cleveland Browns (DC)

1995–1999 Michigan State

2000–2004LSU

2005–2006 Miami Dolphins

2007–present Alabama

If Rumph wants to grind it out in the lower levels for 9 years and then come back I'll be on board in a heart beat.

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ******* clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ******* grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ******* high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ******* sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

and just because I want to quote myself.

Rumph isn't the first former player to dive into a position coach job at a major school, and he won't be the last.

Some guys prove to be good coaches. Some don't. It's way too early to tell. At the very least, he played the game at a high level, and learned from some successful defensive coaches (Pagano, Schiano, Shannon, Stoops).

 

[Cans4life]

Yep. They're actually ridiculing the guys who question the hiring of a HS coach who was renowned for winning by recruiting.

In one breath, they squawk "you have no idea if he's going to be great or not" and then in typical contradictory ****** fashion they hit us with "we know he's a major upgrade over Williams." How the fck do they know if he's an upgrade if they're telling us we have no idea how good or bad he'll be?

It's the disease of the new coaching hire. Richt could have brought in Pat Nix as OC, and they'd applaud it.

Hiring a HS corch for a position coach at the U of M was universally recognized as a bad idea 2 weeks ago.

Now? "Great hire" "local ties" "he was a great DB here".

Nobody would've applauded a Patrick Nix hire.

Because he didn't play here.

I know this with certainty: If Rumph doesn't deliver all those studs from Heritage then Richt is a sap. Richt should have made it crystal clear that Rumph can have the CB gig if he delivers all the Heritage guys.

I don't want to hear any stupid **** about getting on them "too late". Rumph was their goddam HC and leader. He absolutely must deliver. None of this sissified "well he can't force them to come here" horse **** we've heard the last ten years or as Ice's excuse for failing to deliver local dudes.

This. Right now, the only tangible advantage to hiring Rumph is his recruiting. We have no idea if he can coach DBs but we know he knows the Heritage kids very well. He needs to deliver them now.

Unless Rumph turns out to be the best Cornerbacks coach in the country this has been a disastrous hire thus far.

 

[Richard Belding]

Last year, we had much more talent at DB than we have coming back this year....but we probably had the worst tackling secondary I've ever seen at this level. It was pathetic. Clemson just raped us with little WR screens all day because our secondary didn't know what tackling is.

All that is to say...if Rumph wants to make a positive impact and make the team better, he can start by teaching these corners how to be more physical, especially on screens and in run support. Teach them to get off blocks and play hard and contribute.

 

[pimpcane1]

No i said when he took his first coaching job..not a GA position...

Saban was a defensive GA/Assistant for 9 YEARS IN COLLEGE before he EVER landed his FIRST position coaching job. See the difference yet?

1972–1974 Kent State (GA)

1975–1976 Kent State (D. Asst.)

1977 Syracuse (D. Asst.)

1978–1979 West Virginia (D. Asst.)

1980–1981 Ohio State (DB)

1982 Navy (D. Asst.)

1983–1987 Michigan State (DB/DC)

1988–1989 Houston Oilers (DB)

1990 Toledo

1991–1994 Cleveland Browns (DC)

1995–1999 Michigan State

2000–2004LSU

2005–2006 Miami Dolphins

2007–present Alabama

If Rumph wants to grind it out in the lower levels for 9 years and then come back I'll be on board in a heart beat.

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

and just because I want to quote myself.

Much props [MENTION=477]Big Sky Cane[/MENTION], you pretty much nailed it with your response.

 

[RVACane]

Saban was a defensive GA/Assistant for 9 YEARS IN COLLEGE before he EVER landed his FIRST position coaching job. See the difference yet?

1972–1974 Kent State (GA)

1975–1976 Kent State (D. Asst.)

1977 Syracuse (D. Asst.)

1978–1979 West Virginia (D. Asst.)

1980–1981 Ohio State (DB)

1982 Navy (D. Asst.)

1983–1987 Michigan State (DB/DC)

1988–1989 Houston Oilers (DB)

1990 Toledo

1991–1994 Cleveland Browns (DC)

1995–1999 Michigan State

2000–2004LSU

2005–2006 Miami Dolphins

2007–present Alabama

If Rumph wants to grind it out in the lower levels for 9 years and then come back I'll be on board in a heart beat.

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

and just because I want to quote myself.

Much props [MENTION=477]Big Sky Cane[/MENTION], you pretty much nailed it with your response.

Yes he did... And that was 6 months ago.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Saban was a defensive GA/Assistant for 9 YEARS IN COLLEGE before he EVER landed his FIRST position coaching job. See the difference yet?

1972–1974 Kent State (GA)

1975–1976 Kent State (D. Asst.)

1977 Syracuse (D. Asst.)

1978–1979 West Virginia (D. Asst.)

1980–1981 Ohio State (DB)

1982 Navy (D. Asst.)

1983–1987 Michigan State (DB/DC)

1988–1989 Houston Oilers (DB)

1990 Toledo

1991–1994 Cleveland Browns (DC)

1995–1999 Michigan State

2000–2004LSU

2005–2006 Miami Dolphins

2007–present Alabama

If Rumph wants to grind it out in the lower levels for 9 years and then come back I'll be on board in a heart beat.

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

and just because I want to quote myself.

Much props [MENTION=477]Big Sky Cane[/MENTION], you pretty much nailed it with your response.

Im as skeptical of rumph as a recruiter as anyone, but it sure is premature to pat yourself on the back for declaring him a failure of a coach. Today was day 1 of his first fall camp. He hasn't coached a single game. Skepticism may be appropriate. Conclusions, not so much.

 

[kryptonite]

Seems like either the DBs will play well and his recruiting will pick up or Richt will find somebody better. Either way, let's give the dude a minute to do some coaching and see how that goes.

 

[jw410]

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

and just because I want to quote myself.

Much props [MENTION=477]Big Sky Cane[/MENTION], you pretty much nailed it with your response.

Im as skeptical of rumph as a recruiter as anyone, but it sure is premature to pat yourself on the back for declaring him a failure of a coach. Today was day 1 of his first fall camp. He hasn't coached a single game. Skepticism may be appropriate. Conclusions, not so much.

What do you expect.. you go porsters on here who are judges! They know he stinks and there is nothing we can do. Maybe big skeet can email Coach Richt and let him know what an awful job he did in hiring our CB coach.

 

[deleted3746]

POWER. MOVES.

 

[TooColdToHold]

Horrible recruiter.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Horrible recruiter.

and unfortunately for us......it's about 75% of a CB college coaches job. Should be **** canned on the spot.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Horrible recruiter.

and unfortunately for us......it's about 75% of a CB college coaches job. Should be **** canned on the spot.

What makes him a bad recruiter exactly?

 

[KevinCaneFace]

experts shine again lol

 

[orange&green84]

Horrible recruiter.

and unfortunately for us......it's about 75% of a CB college coaches job. Should be **** canned on the spot.

What makes him a bad recruiter exactly?

Not being able to land one kid from the high school he coached at is a start.

 

[RVACane]

Horrible recruiter.

and unfortunately for us......it's about 75% of a CB college coaches job. Should be **** canned on the spot.

What makes him a bad recruiter exactly?

Not being able to land one kid from the high school he coached at is a start.

This in a nutshell. It has to be unheard of where he can't pull one kid from his school. It also probably means that kids, coaches and parents all simply don't like him.

 

[RVACane]

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

and just because I want to quote myself.

Much props [MENTION=477]Big Sky Cane[/MENTION], you pretty much nailed it with your response.

Yes he did... And that was 6 months ago.

I should say now in looking at it closely that Big Sky nailed Rumph on the recruiting end but not necessarily on the coaching end. Rumph did a good job in his coaching only duties. Unfortunately, his inability to pull 1 kid from his own high school is an epic fail and to me is a major problem when that's a big part of the job.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

and just because I want to quote myself.

Much props [MENTION=477]Big Sky Cane[/MENTION], you pretty much nailed it with your response.

Yes he did... And that was 6 months ago.

I should say now in looking at it closely that Big Sky nailed Rumph on the recruiting end but not necessarily on the coaching end. Rumph did a good job in his coaching only duties. Unfortunately, his inability to pull 1 kid from his own high school is an epic fail and to me is a major problem when that's a big part of the job.

Maybe they have no interest in coming to UM and thats all there is to it

 

[Santa]

and just because I want to quote myself.

Much props [MENTION=477]Big Sky Cane[/MENTION], you pretty much nailed it with your response.

Yes he did... And that was 6 months ago.

I should say now in looking at it closely that Big Sky nailed Rumph on the recruiting end but not necessarily on the coaching end. Rumph did a good job in his coaching only duties. Unfortunately, his inability to pull 1 kid from his own high school is an epic fail and to me is a major problem when that's a big part of the job.

Maybe they have no interest in coming to UM and thats all there is to it

Rumph doesn't help us land these kids, so what good is he? Even if it isn't his fault, if he isn't going to land us kids from AH then we're better off firing him and bringing in someone who CAN land us some 4 stars from whatever school

 

[Big Sky Cane]

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

and just because I want to quote myself.

Much props [MENTION=477]Big Sky Cane[/MENTION], you pretty much nailed it with your response.

Yes he did... And that was 6 months ago.

I should say now in looking at it closely that Big Sky nailed Rumph on the recruiting end but not necessarily on the coaching end. Rumph did a good job in his coaching only duties. Unfortunately, his inability to pull 1 kid from his own high school is an epic fail and to me is a major problem when that's a big part of the job.

To be fair I never really questioned his ability or knowledge of the position.....That was the least of my worries. I do think that position coaches, however, often times get to much credit when things are going well with their unit and to much blame when going bad. EX....Oline. It's the coordinator job to make each unit click together and play to the strengths of the individuals and mask deficiencies. An example is overall tackling from the defense and DBS in general was improved. Who is responsible? It's Diaz style (Hawk tackling) and how they taught pursuit as a whole that was a success. Does Rump deserve some credit for that? I suppose but I'll continue to give credit to Diaz where most of the praise belongs on the Def.

 

[RVACane]

Either way you were spot on about the recruiting thing and you're still right about that in that if he can't land recruits then he's a fail as a hire.