Rumph to UM

[Salt]

Richt hires Kool and we call it a great move.
Richt hires Rumph and we say it a mistake.
Lets just trust Richt that he knows what he's doing.

Where the f*ck have you been the last 10 years?

After Coker, Shannon & the fraud Golden No one will get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

You really need to take a deep breath. Look at those hires you mentioned. Coker had never been a HC before he got the gig. Same with Shannon, and he even had less coaching experience than Coker. Golden took a horrible Temple program and made them mediocre. Never had a signature win in his resume. Compare all that to Richt's resume. Exhale slowly.

 

[52CANES]

And the recruits Malzahn brought to Arkansas never did jack ****.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

Art briles was never a ga or oc.

So now you guys are comparing Mike Rumph to Art Briles & Gus Mahlzan? **** my life.

Last questions Big... Do you think you know .. more than Rump when it comes to coaching?

I don't claim to, however, I've coached HS FBALL too for over a decada (DB's for that matter). Sure as **** doesn't qualify me for a DB coach @ Miami. This isn't an indictment on Rumph, as much it is an indictment on ALL HS coaches making a jump to a Power 5 position coach job. I just hate the idea of HS coaches making the jump to major college football. I think it's shortsighted.

Rumph could be a genius, I don't know. But that doesn't mean he's prepared for this job or the grind it entails. We shall see.....I hope it works out.

 

[UknowWhat]

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

Art briles was never a ga or oc.

So now you guys are comparing Mike Rumph to Art Briles & Gus Mahlzan? **** my life.

All Malzahn ever did was coach high school football in mudhole, arkansas. Next thing you know he was an SEC offensive coordinator. Was it harder to coach HS football in Arkansas or something? Rumph already has 2 state titles... in florida. Why can't he be compared to Malzahn?

Uuuuhhmmm what could it be?

 

[The Franchise]

Richt hires Kool and we call it a great move.
Richt hires Rumph and we say it a mistake.
Lets just trust Richt that he knows what he's doing.

Richt hired Schottenheimer as OC at Georgia last year too. How'd that work out? Bunch of blind ******* homers. The guy isn't teflon.

Didn't you know? If you make one great hire that means that every hire you make is great.

 

[INCaneFan]

As a graduate assistant at Kent St.? Nope....I think that was a very appropriate launching pad for Saban. Do you not understand the difference here?

No i said when he took his first coaching job..not a GA position...

Saban was a defensive GA/Assistant for 9 YEARS IN COLLEGE before he EVER landed his FIRST position coaching job. See the difference yet?

1972–1974 Kent State (GA)

1975–1976 Kent State (D. Asst.)

1977 Syracuse (D. Asst.)

1978–1979 West Virginia (D. Asst.)

1980–1981 Ohio State (DB)

1982 Navy (D. Asst.)

1983–1987 Michigan State (DB/DC)

1988–1989 Houston Oilers (DB)

1990 Toledo

1991–1994 Cleveland Browns (DC)

1995–1999 Michigan State

2000–2004LSU

2005–2006 Miami Dolphins

2007–present Alabama

If Rumph wants to grind it out in the lower levels for 9 years and then come back I'll be on board in a heart beat.

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

Do you know what goes into coaching at this level? Unless you're a coach at this level, have friends that are, or played yourself....I'm guessing you're like everyone else here....guessing what it would be like.

Rumph qualifies on all of those points besides actually coaching in college. 100 hour work weeks, that's not the norm. Possibly at the NFL level, but not college and not year round.

As for the recruiting stuff, he does that at AH. Yes, it's different at this level, but he's been recruited and helped as a player recruit, seen the way other coaches do, and gotten his own kids at the high school level. I'm sure him and his staff have gone through names and candidates just like you would in college. Sure, the scope isn't national, but then he also doesn't have the support staff in high school that he will here at the college level.

He may fall flat on his face, we shall see. He may do alright or even great, who knows. He will learn things and as I said previously, Richt has to like what he sees in him as a coach or he wouldn't get this opportunity.

 

[shayleon]

Richt hires Kool and we call it a great move.
Richt hires Rumph and we say it a mistake.
Lets just trust Richt that he knows what he's doing.

Richt hired Schottenheimer as OC at Georgia last year too. How'd that work out? Bunch of blind ****ing homers. The guy isn't teflon.

My man it ain't a situation of being a blind homer. It's a situation of realizing that Richt is better positioned in his occupation to fully evaluate who is best suited to coach the cbs than me in my occupation. Every head coach has assistants that don't pan out. But unfortunately my man, Richt is in a better position to evaluate who should be considered than me and u. It's more to Rumph than what's on Wikipedia . Richt got 145 wins, how many u got? Not Madden...

 

[BrandCanes]

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

Art briles was never a ga or oc.

So now you guys are comparing Mike Rumph to Art Briles & Gus Mahlzan? **** my life.

Last questions Big... Do you think you know .. more than Rump when it comes to coaching?

I don't claim to, however, I've coached HS FBALL too for over a decada (DB's for that matter). Sure as **** doesn't qualify me for a DB coach @ Miami. This isn't an indictment on Rumph, as much it is an indictment on ALL HS coaches making a jump to a Power 5 position coach job. I just hate the idea of HS coaches making the jump to major college football. I think it's shortsighted.

Rumph could be a genius, I don't know. But that doesn't mean he's prepared for this job or the grind it entails. We shall see.....I hope it works out.

Big Sky was a Dnofrio lover for quite some time

 

[RVACane]

So every position coach needs to have started as a GA?

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

Art briles was never a ga or oc.

So now you guys are comparing Mike Rumph to Art Briles & Gus Mahlzan? **** my life.

Last questions Big... Do you think you know .. more than Rump when it comes to coaching?

[MENTION=10044]UknowWhat[/MENTION], I'm curious to know if you and Shaq ever had interaction with Rumph... on the field, at a camp, off the field... And what were your impressions?

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Big Sky was a Dnofrio lover for quite some time

HaHa good one BF.

 

[52CANES]

Yea i'm sure Rumph has no idea how he will be able to handle recruiting by picking up the phone or visiting all the people he probably regularly talks to anyway as a south florida head football coach. He's never seen anyone recruit. He's never worked hard on the grind to get where he's gotten.. he's just a dumb lazy lucky ex player.... i guess.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Do you know what goes into coaching at this level? Unless you're a coach at this level, have friends that are, or played yourself....I'm guessing you're like everyone else here....guessing what it would be like.

Rumph qualifies on all of those points besides actually coaching in college. 100 hour work weeks, that's not the norm. Possibly at the NFL level, but not college and not year round.

As for the recruiting stuff, he does that at AH. Yes, it's different at this level, but he's been recruited and helped as a player recruit, seen the way other coaches do, and gotten his own kids at the high school level. I'm sure him and his staff have gone through names and candidates just like you would in college. Sure, the scope isn't national, but then he also doesn't have the support staff in high school that he will here at the college level.

He may fall flat on his face, we shall see. He may do alright or even great, who knows. He will learn things and as I said previously, Richt has to like what he sees in him as a coach or he wouldn't get this opportunity.

Yes, Yes and Yes

 

[UknowWhat]

At the Div 1 level? I'd say it's a no brainer genius. Do you ****ing clowns even know what goes into coaching at the college level? It's a ****ing grind to the bone. 100 hour work weeks and ****. I'd prefer my position coaches to understand and flourish in that role before coaching at UM.

Has he ever had to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to a **** school? Has he ever had to communicate and deliver a game plan to kids at this level? Has he ever had to sit in a meeting room and discuss the merits of a particular recruit and why he should or shouldn't be offered? Has he ever failed, succeeded or honed in his instruction skills that are required for this level. This isn't ****ing high school anymore boys. I'd prefer my position coaches have already gone through those growing pains before they reach our level. It's common ****ing sense.

It's not just "Hey bro....you need a little more bend in your knees in your back pedal". The nuances of coaching at this level are enormous.

Art briles was never a ga or oc.

So now you guys are comparing Mike Rumph to Art Briles & Gus Mahlzan? **** my life.

Last questions Big... Do you think you know .. more than Rump when it comes to coaching?

[MENTION=10044]UknowWhat[/MENTION], I'm curious to know if you and Shaw ever had interaction with Rumph... on the field, at a camp, off the field... And what we're your impressions?

No never met the guy... Never seen him in actions... If it wasn't for this board I would not have known he won two state championships... but
what I do know is that I would never cast judgement on someone because I didn't know or like them. I have sat down and talked with Coach Richt on several occasions... while here at UM and a few times when he was at UGA... I know he has made some good choices and some bad choices...but I trust he knows what he is doing. And for those that feel that Rump or any of the other hires was a horrible choice then I think they feel that Richt was a bad hire.

 

[Canezum5]

Someone quoted Chad Morris in this thread, I can't find it.

Chad Morris coached in HS as a HC from 1994-2009. Then he went to Tulsa.

Does anyone see a difference?

Yeah one was coordinating an entire offense. The other is coaching CBs.

The other is the fact that chad is older and started back in the day. Maybe coaches don't want to wait 10+ years before they give an obvious stud a chance.

Same as today's recruiting. There are players today that wouldn't have even been looked at if they played back in the day.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Richt hires Kool and we call it a great move.
Richt hires Rumph and we say it a mistake.
Lets just trust Richt that he knows what he's doing.

Richt hired Schottenheimer as OC at Georgia last year too. How'd that work out? Bunch of blind ******* homers. The guy isn't teflon.

georgia fans are pretty adamant that schottenheimer was mcgarity's choice and richt had no say in the matter, which is how he got such an absurd contract despite being a **** coordinator.

 

[Zbrod95]

Hugh freeze was a high school coach and jumped right to ole miss as a te coach and its recruiting coordinator

 

[JD08]

Wait a minute. Does this mean we're no longer ****ed about Diaz, Jon Richt, Hartley, Brown, Kuligowsky, or Richt?

We've still got a couple of positions to go. This should be fun.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I'll concede. As you can see I'm not a fan of the hire. Hope it works out because we've been horrible far too long. I'm not meaning to criticize the hire because it's Rumph in particular....it's high school coaches "in general/as a rule" are not ready for that role.

It has no bearing on their history as a player. Playing and coaching are TWO separate entities and if you can't see that then you've obviously NEVER coached. And coaching HS & college are also night and day.

Last I'll comment on this hire. Not gonna go all FullyEricht on ya.

 

[CanesAreAble]

I'm a little surprised people are so strongly against the Rumph hire.

He was a great college player who was more of a technician because he wasn't an elite athlete. He also played for a while in the NFL. Now NFL experience alone wouldn't lead me to believe he can coach, but he was able to apply what he learned as a player in college (under up-and-coming great coaches) as well as in the NFL (under professional coaches) and lead a big-time high school program to back-to-back state titles.

I haven't watched American Heritage much, but from what I understand, they're well-coached.

Rumph didn't go the GA route like a lot of coaches do, but most of those coaches weren't 1st round draft picks that played in the NFL for half a decade. Instead of learning from NFL coaches, would Rumph have been better served learning under some random guy at Podunk State Seminary College? BOTH paths are legitimate.

Ken Norton had a similar trajectory. After the NFL, he briefly coached in high school, then moved on to LB coach at SC. Now he's the DC for the Oakland Raiders. A lot of former players quickly transition to position coaches.

Rumph also gives us a position coach with South Florida ties to appease those that are overly concerned about that kind of thing. It'll be interesting to see if he can deliver some studs from AH.

At the end of the day, Rumph's job will be to drill CB technique, motivate players, and recruit. He played corner at a high level, so I'm not too worried about that. Usually the guys that struggle to transition from being good players to coaches are the ones that don't have the patience to teach, or don't embrace the drudgery of being a coach. Rumph started off as a high school assistant, so he clearly accepted that grind. As for recruiting and motivating kids, well he had to do both at AH. And he seems to have done it well.

 

[52CANES]

I'll concede. As you can see I'm not a fan of the hire. Hope it works out because we've been horrible far too long. I'm not meaning to criticize the hire because it's Rumph in particular....it's high school coaches "in general/as a rule" are not ready for that role.

It has no bearing on their history as a player. Playing and coaching are TWO separate entities and if you can't see that then you've obviously NEVER coached. And coaching HS & college are also night and day.

Last I'll comment on this hire. Not gonna go all FullyEricht on ya.

Nah but for real though, I wouldn't say they are as a rule not ready. I'd say it is next gradual step in progression of some coaches. Some are ready and some aren't. I mean people can't keep posting a dozen examples and none of them are allowed to be compared to Rumph. It seems like its starting to be the norm.