Rumph to UM

[UknowWhat]

Do you know what goes into coaching at this level? Unless you're a coach at this level, have friends that are, or played yourself....I'm guessing you're like everyone else here....guessing what it would be like.

Rumph qualifies on all of those points besides actually coaching in college. 100 hour work weeks, that's not the norm. Possibly at the NFL level, but not college and not year round.

As for the recruiting stuff, he does that at AH. Yes, it's different at this level, but he's been recruited and helped as a player recruit, seen the way other coaches do, and gotten his own kids at the high school level. I'm sure him and his staff have gone through names and candidates just like you would in college. Sure, the scope isn't national, but then he also doesn't have the support staff in high school that he will here at the college level.

He may fall flat on his face, we shall see. He may do alright or even great, who knows. He will learn things and as I said previously, Richt has to like what he sees in him as a coach or he wouldn't get this opportunity.

Yes, Yes and Yes

I met one coach on Shaq's recruiting trail and he told me during the season... he cut a deal so that he could come to work late 7:30am so he could wake his kids up to have breakfast with them and drop them off at school... so during that time and a couple hours after each home game was the only time he had with his kids. And doing the recruiting season he was on the road more than he was home. On a visit to UGA the coaches hung out with me and the other coaches from Shaq's HS until 1:30 in the morning... We got up at 5:30am (a few hours later) to head over to Auburn. When we got down to the lobby two of UGA's coaches were there waiting on us with coffee in hand... I expressed my appreciation as said that .. they didn't need to wake up to see us off.. and the one coach said its all in a days work... I know a guy that would make a great college coach... he knows it too. He has the connection to have a job tomorrow, but he said he would rather coach at the HS level until his kids grow up, because he knows the sacrifice... I here it in the tone of a lot of posters on this site.. as if I'm just a parent of recruit so I really don't know what really goes on and just hop on the Hurricane ban wagon... I became a Hurricane fan because a black kid from Daytona (my home town) was given an opportunity to play QB in a D1 program... so ever since Kenny McMillian (the QB before Jim Kelly and Mark Richt circa 1977) was given that chance at UM I have been a fan.

 

[01Canes]

Rumph also gives us a position coach with South Florida ties to appease those that are overly concerned about that kind of thing. It'll be interesting to see if he can deliver some studs from AH.

Rumph has to do that. When a top program adds a high school coach to the staff with connections to the local community and/or the university, they absolutely must deliver top talent from that HS. That's presumably one of the biggest reasons why Richt brought him into the fold considering his past success at AH while at UGA combined with UM's failures at the school in recent years before he arrived.

If Rumph delivers Burns and/or Eubanks next month, and if he helps us land most of Heritage's top talent from the group of Slaton/Campbell/Wilson/Bryan/Herbert/Surtain Jr. among others over the next couple years, then it'll be a hire that pays dividends at least to some degree.

There are no excuses if we continue to struggle at Heritage despite having Rumph on the staff. He has to have an impact there for this to pay off, IMO.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Rumph didn't go the GA route like a lot of coaches do, but most of those coaches weren't 1st round draft picks that played in the NFL for half a decade. Instead of learning from NFL coaches, would Rumph have been better served learning under some random guy at Podunk State Seminary College? BOTH paths are legitimate.

Rumph probably knows all there is to know about the fundamentals of the position.....that I'm not worried about. I'm a little more concerned about "everything else" that goes into being a position coach in college. Learing from your own failures, successes etc. There is going to be a learning curve here and it concerns me. Hope for the best.

 

[Miami82]

Rumph also gives us a position coach with South Florida ties to appease those that are overly concerned about that kind of thing. It'll be interesting to see if he can deliver some studs from AH.

Rumph has to do that. When a top program adds a high school coach to the staff with connections to the local community and/or the university, they absolutely must deliver top talent from that HS. That's presumably one of the biggest reasons why Richt brought him into the fold considering his past success at AH while at UGA combined with UM's failures at the school in recent years before he arrived.

If Rumph delivers Burns and/or Eubanks next month, and if he helps us land most of Heritage's top talent from the group of Slaton/Campbell/Wilson/Bryan/Herbert/Surtain Jr. among others over the next couple years, then it'll be a hire that pays dividends at least to some degree.

There are no excuses if we continue to struggle at Heritage despite having Rumph on the staff. He has to have an impact there for this to pay off, IMO.

I don't see why people can't see the high risk involved with this hire. I think 01 did a very good job of highlighting the obvious positives. Rumph will be learning on the job and I really don't have issue with that if he delivers us some studs.

This argument has been done on this board ad nauseam, this isn't a learning ground for all ex-players. What would be best for the U is for them to go the GA route and learn and make mistakes at a lower tiered school and make their way to the U, but I do concede Rumphs background could be a bonus in the long term.

 

[FINCHLION]

Some posters on here have an limited understanding about football, the same ones complaining about Rumph were the same idiots complaining about having Cristobal as the OL coach. Seems like Cristobal would only been a good hire only if Butch was hired as HC. Good hire imo, a coach has to start somewhere, people do not understand how many guys have potential to be a good d1 coach, all they need is an opportunity. This is a new year, as fans we been through a lot of bs and headaches but I am really hyped about the upcoming season, stay positive and give Richt/Rumph and all the other staff a chance.

 

[kalinis]

first off rumph was a great college corner. not so good in pro's but a great shut down corner in college. he is a good coach. people should be over the hs coaches can't coach by now crap. michigan has hs coach on there staff and promoted him this year and people think was a great move same ones ripping rump hire by the way.

is there risk not really rumph knows everything it takes to be a great cb in college. teachign kids technique is what his j ob will be and recruiting. he can do that. i don't see much of a risk here. its no coincidence some of the db prospects people are drooling over are kids rumph personall coached at american heritage.

 

[Canezum5]

Another blah hire.

Same retards defending it.

I swear, I don't get it. No one can have standards. It is not a logicial argument that Chad Morris came from HS so everyone who comes from HS will have success.

That's why I have been barely posting anymore.

It's the same crap all over again. You question a single hire/aspect of Richt's regime, then the same posters (mostly ex-Golden supporters, but they'll pretend they weren't) and **** hits the fan.

Really tired of the cult-like mentality when it comes to Miami football. No objectivity. Just blind homerism.

Man, i've been blasted on so many boards for being too pessimistic or too " negative" about the canes.

Even my friends HATE talking Cane football with me because they think i'm too hard on the coaches and admin.

My disdain for the UM coaching is well documented on the blogosphere and interwebs.

With that being said, this is the best collection of coaches we have had in a long time being assessed by the best Coach we've had in a long time.

As cynical as i can be;I'm willing to give them a chance. No school is going to have all stars all over the staff.

And some staffs mesh better than others.

Some guys are bishin about every little thing without any objectivity and context. And they want to excuse their actions on the grounds that we have sucked for so long. All of which is understandable until You realize that you can't name a winning school that has a guy on the roster that doesnt seem like a "wtf" hire.

We have a good collection of coaches here, already.

The sorriest coaches in the schools history was able to rail off 8-9 win seasons. We upgraded TREMENDOUSLY and you guys dont think they can squeeze 2-4 more wins out of the talent we get?

Come on fellas.

 

[User-4525]

Burns is another David Perry or Marquedis Bain.

Most overrated player in Florida.

BTW...there isn't a single kid on American Hertigae's team this year that I would take.

The same people hate every hire but never respond with realistic options of who they would hire. It reeks of "they didn't hire MY guy so I will bash any hire to look like the smartest guy in the room that is CIS). I'm willing to wait and see actual results, crazy right?

There are over 100 FBS DB coaches. We hired a guy who has never done it before on this level, on a team that has had horrific defense for half a decade, and a guy who steered kids away from his own alma mater, and who now seemingly won't even be able to get his own players to come to UM.

Burns & Eubanks are wanted by every coach in the country. Wilson and Slaton next year

You just compared a 6'6 lean pass rusher to a DT/og prospect. Yeah, I'll take nick saban's word here...

 

[Pentagon Cane]

A couple thoughts on this hire.

-He was one of the best players to come through here and was a great ambassador for the program while he was here
-He is inexperienced as a coach
-He hasn't done us any favors since he has been the coach at American Heritage, we haven't gotten a single player yet from his school out of the 10+ 4 and 5 star kids he has had while there
I loved him while he was a player but since he's been there American Heritage has essentially been Dwyer with Jack Daniels as head coach.

Would you have sent your kids to Miami if they had better options? The program was a mess going into NSD 2014. I'd guess he wouldn't have talked his kid out of it of coming to Miami, but he certainly didn't push them there.

How is he going to send players to miami when golden only went after Sony. Golden wasn't even going after recruits at heritage.

Well, that too.

 

[ScubaCane]

He's the CB coach, it's not like we hired him to be HC, bunch of whiny women on this site.

 

[Rob26480]

He's the CB coach, it's not like we hired him to be HC, bunch of whiny women on this site.

Not that I don't like the hire because I don't know anything about coaching, but Paul Williams was a DB coach and we all wanted him gone with the quickness.

 

[Gatorhater]

Rump should be able to coach DBs. Hopefully he will help with recruiting, but hiring HS coaches to help that has not work well for us lately. Still, I think it is a good idea to have some one with connection to our prior greatness on the staff. Mark has cleaned house and he himself predates our rise to power. With Art and others gone, Rump will have to be that flag bearer.

Overall I am a little unmoved by the new staff -- except the new Dline coach. I guess I was hoping for more but not really sure who anyway. Butch was my choice above all so I am bias. With that in mind, I am trying to hold off judgement until we check out results on field. Noles look like they are sliding back and Mark should have huge chance to beat them and maybe claim ACC in his first year. That is not the real goal for us, but while I don't like beer, I will drink it waiting for the fine sipping bourbon. Having fallen for Al, I am resistant to grant any coach much praise again.

 

[caneinpsl]

There are some reasons to be positive about the Rumph hire. Richt has seen him run practices. And I would assume he has picked Rumph's brain through the hiring process. He should at least have an idea if Rumph knows what he's doing in a technical sense (he should as an ex-NFL and D-1 CB), and whether he can motivate and teach those skills to young players. That's his job in a nutshell, along with recruiting. Frankly, whether Rumph can recruit is probably a bigger unknown than if he can coach. As a fan though there's no reason to consider it a home run hire at this point either. Several of these hires are clearly ones you have to wait and see on.

 

[Coach Macho]

Rumph is a good hire to coach CB's.

How do you feel about the Diaz hire?

Not thrilled but not ready to kill myself either. I like his aggressive approach to playing defense. At least I know we'll be playing "Miami Defense" again. I'd like to know his coverage principles and so-on, the details of his defense.

 

[MIATL]

Rumph is a good hire to coach CB's.

How do you feel about the Diaz hire?

Not thrilled but not ready to kill myself either. I like his aggressive approach to playing defense. At least I know we'll be playing "Miami Defense" again. I'd like to know his coverage principles and so-on, the details of his defense.

How have you not seen the COUNTLESS threads and posts on Diaz's defensive scheme and coverage principles?

Or was that sarcasm that I missed?

 

[Salt]

Rumph is a good hire to coach CB's.

How do you feel about the Diaz hire?

Not thrilled but not ready to kill myself either. I like his aggressive approach to playing defense. At least I know we'll be playing "Miami Defense" again. I'd like to know his coverage principles and so-on, the details of his defense.

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/ums-dc-manny-diaz-talking-past-defenses/96103

 

[Coach Macho]

Rumph is a good hire to coach CB's.

How do you feel about the Diaz hire?

Not thrilled but not ready to kill myself either. I like his aggressive approach to playing defense. At least I know we'll be playing "Miami Defense" again. I'd like to know his coverage principles and so-on, the details of his defense.

How have you not seen the COUNTLESS threads and posts on Diaz's defensive scheme and coverage principles?

Or was that sarcasm that I missed?

No, bro, I honestly haven't been able to read them. I will though. Thanks.

 

[Coach Macho]

Do you know what goes into coaching at this level? Unless you're a coach at this level, have friends that are, or played yourself....I'm guessing you're like everyone else here....guessing what it would be like.

Rumph qualifies on all of those points besides actually coaching in college. 100 hour work weeks, that's not the norm. Possibly at the NFL level, but not college and not year round.

As for the recruiting stuff, he does that at AH. Yes, it's different at this level, but he's been recruited and helped as a player recruit, seen the way other coaches do, and gotten his own kids at the high school level. I'm sure him and his staff have gone through names and candidates just like you would in college. Sure, the scope isn't national, but then he also doesn't have the support staff in high school that he will here at the college level.

He may fall flat on his face, we shall see. He may do alright or even great, who knows. He will learn things and as I said previously, Richt has to like what he sees in him as a coach or he wouldn't get this opportunity.

Yes, Yes and Yes

I met one coach on Shaq's recruiting trail and he told me during the season... he cut a deal so that he could come to work late 7:30am so he could wake his kids up to have breakfast with them and drop them off at school... so during that time and a couple hours after each home game was the only time he had with his kids. And doing the recruiting season he was on the road more than he was home. On a visit to UGA the coaches hung out with me and the other coaches from Shaq's HS until 1:30 in the morning... We got up at 5:30am (a few hours later) to head over to Auburn. When we got down to the lobby two of UGA's coaches were there waiting on us with coffee in hand... I expressed my appreciation as said that .. they didn't need to wake up to see us off.. and the one coach said its all in a days work... I know a guy that would make a great college coach... he knows it too. He has the connection to have a job tomorrow, but he said he would rather coach at the HS level until his kids grow up, because he knows the sacrifice... I here it in the tone of a lot of posters on this site.. as if I'm just a parent of recruit so I really don't know what really goes on and just hop on the Hurricane ban wagon... I became a Hurricane fan because a black kid from Daytona (my home town) was given an opportunity to play QB in a D1 program... so ever since Kenny McMillian (the QB before Jim Kelly and Mark Richt circa 1977) was given that chance at UM I have been a fan.

College coaching is a freakin' grind!

I know guys who have coached high school, college and even a little NFL. I think college is by far the most demanding. Those guys don't stop working.

I don't think the casual fan understands everything that goes into college coaching. NFL and High School guys don't have to travel around the country and recruit. NFL guys don't have to babysit. College guys do EVERYTHING.

I've met (and worked for) quite a few guys who chose to come back to high school coaching because they'd rather teach for (around) $45k a year and coach high school kids than coach college, possibly make more money but have no life.

Some high school HC jobs ain't bad gigs, especially if you're coaching in Georgia or Texas.

 

[UknowWhat]

Do you know what goes into coaching at this level? Unless you're a coach at this level, have friends that are, or played yourself....I'm guessing you're like everyone else here....guessing what it would be like.

Rumph qualifies on all of those points besides actually coaching in college. 100 hour work weeks, that's not the norm. Possibly at the NFL level, but not college and not year round.

As for the recruiting stuff, he does that at AH. Yes, it's different at this level, but he's been recruited and helped as a player recruit, seen the way other coaches do, and gotten his own kids at the high school level. I'm sure him and his staff have gone through names and candidates just like you would in college. Sure, the scope isn't national, but then he also doesn't have the support staff in high school that he will here at the college level.

He may fall flat on his face, we shall see. He may do alright or even great, who knows. He will learn things and as I said previously, Richt has to like what he sees in him as a coach or he wouldn't get this opportunity.

Yes, Yes and Yes

I met one coach on Shaq's recruiting trail and he told me during the season... he cut a deal so that he could come to work late 7:30am so he could wake his kids up to have breakfast with them and drop them off at school... so during that time and a couple hours after each home game was the only time he had with his kids. And doing the recruiting season he was on the road more than he was home. On a visit to UGA the coaches hung out with me and the other coaches from Shaq's HS until 1:30 in the morning... We got up at 5:30am (a few hours later) to head over to Auburn. When we got down to the lobby two of UGA's coaches were there waiting on us with coffee in hand... I expressed my appreciation as said that .. they didn't need to wake up to see us off.. and the one coach said its all in a days work... I know a guy that would make a great college coach... he knows it too. He has the connection to have a job tomorrow, but he said he would rather coach at the HS level until his kids grow up, because he knows the sacrifice... I here it in the tone of a lot of posters on this site.. as if I'm just a parent of recruit so I really don't know what really goes on and just hop on the Hurricane ban wagon... I became a Hurricane fan because a black kid from Daytona (my home town) was given an opportunity to play QB in a D1 program... so ever since Kenny McMillian (the QB before Jim Kelly and Mark Richt circa 1977) was given that chance at UM I have been a fan.

College coaching is a freakin' grind!

I know guys who have coached high school, college and even a little NFL. I think college is by far the most demanding. Those guys don't stop working.

I don't think the casual fan understands everything that goes into college coaching. NFL and High School guys don't have to travel around the country and recruit. NFL guys don't have to babysit. College guys do EVERYTHING.

I've met (and worked for) quite a few guys who chose to come back to high school coaching because they'd rather teach for (around) $45k a year and coach high school kids than coach college, possibly make more money but have no life.

Some high school HC jobs ain't bad gigs, especially if you're coaching in Georgia or Texas.

I know some of the Gigs in GA...pay will rival some small colleges...

 

[Ohio_Cane]

Do you know what goes into coaching at this level? Unless you're a coach at this level, have friends that are, or played yourself....I'm guessing you're like everyone else here....guessing what it would be like.

Rumph qualifies on all of those points besides actually coaching in college. 100 hour work weeks, that's not the norm. Possibly at the NFL level, but not college and not year round.

As for the recruiting stuff, he does that at AH. Yes, it's different at this level, but he's been recruited and helped as a player recruit, seen the way other coaches do, and gotten his own kids at the high school level. I'm sure him and his staff have gone through names and candidates just like you would in college. Sure, the scope isn't national, but then he also doesn't have the support staff in high school that he will here at the college level.

He may fall flat on his face, we shall see. He may do alright or even great, who knows. He will learn things and as I said previously, Richt has to like what he sees in him as a coach or he wouldn't get this opportunity.

Yes, Yes and Yes

I met one coach on Shaq's recruiting trail and he told me during the season... he cut a deal so that he could come to work late 7:30am so he could wake his kids up to have breakfast with them and drop them off at school... so during that time and a couple hours after each home game was the only time he had with his kids. And doing the recruiting season he was on the road more than he was home. On a visit to UGA the coaches hung out with me and the other coaches from Shaq's HS until 1:30 in the morning... We got up at 5:30am (a few hours later) to head over to Auburn. When we got down to the lobby two of UGA's coaches were there waiting on us with coffee in hand... I expressed my appreciation as said that .. they didn't need to wake up to see us off.. and the one coach said its all in a days work... I know a guy that would make a great college coach... he knows it too. He has the connection to have a job tomorrow, but he said he would rather coach at the HS level until his kids grow up, because he knows the sacrifice... I here it in the tone of a lot of posters on this site.. as if I'm just a parent of recruit so I really don't know what really goes on and just hop on the Hurricane ban wagon... I became a Hurricane fan because a black kid from Daytona (my home town) was given an opportunity to play QB in a D1 program... so ever since Kenny McMillian (the QB before Jim Kelly and Mark Richt circa 1977) was given that chance at UM I have been a fan.

College coaching is a freakin' grind!

I know guys who have coached high school, college and even a little NFL. I think college is by far the most demanding. Those guys don't stop working.

I don't think the casual fan understands everything that goes into college coaching. NFL and High School guys don't have to travel around the country and recruit. NFL guys don't have to babysit. College guys do EVERYTHING.

I've met (and worked for) quite a few guys who chose to come back to high school coaching because they'd rather teach for (around) $45k a year and coach high school kids than coach college, possibly make more money but have no life.

Some high school HC jobs ain't bad gigs, especially if you're coaching in Georgia or Texas.

I know some of the Gigs in GA...pay will rival some small colleges...

Yep: At least 17 Georgia high school head coaches make $100,000 a year or more - FootballScoop