Rumph to UM

[The Franchise]

Yep. They're actually ridiculing the guys who question the hiring of a HS coach who was renowned for winning by recruiting.

In one breath, they squawk "you have no idea if he's going to be great or not" and then in typical contradictory ****** fashion they hit us with "we know he's a major upgrade over Williams." How the fck do they know if he's an upgrade if they're telling us we have no idea how good or bad he'll be?

It's the disease of the new coaching hire. Richt could have brought in Pat Nix as OC, and they'd applaud it.

Hiring a HS corch for a position coach at the U of M was universally recognized as a bad idea 2 weeks ago.

Now? "Great hire" "local ties" "he was a great DB here".

Nobody would've applauded a Patrick Nix hire.

Because he didn't play here.

I know this with certainty: If Rumph doesn't deliver all those studs from Heritage then Richt is a sap. Richt should have made it crystal clear that Rumph can have the CB gig if he delivers all the Heritage guys.

I don't want to hear any stupid **** about getting on them "too late". Rumph was their goddam HC and leader. He absolutely must deliver. None of this sissified "well he can't force them to come here" horse **** we've heard the last ten years or as Ice's excuse for failing to deliver local dudes.

This. Right now, the only tangible advantage to hiring Rumph is his recruiting. We have no idea if he can coach DBs but we know he knows the Heritage kids very well. He needs to deliver them now.

Richt is a total sap if he handed a quarter million to Rumph without a guarantee he was going to deliver those dudes. You aren't giving a HS coach that kind of scratch because he's a proven technical wizard.

 

[AUcane]

I'm not a huge Rumph guy but Richt needed to hire a sofla guy with connections, no doubt. I think one of those always has to be on the staff - 1 at a minimum.

 

[The Franchise]

yeah a first round pick, all american corner, who's an elite HS coach is a bad choice for CB coach, right

Excellent point. The more talented you are as a player the better you are as a coach. That's been proven a zillion times.

 

[caneaddict]

yeah a first round pick, all american corner, who's an elite HS coach is a bad choice for CB coach, right

Excellent point. The more talented you are as a player the better you are as a coach. That's been proven a zillion times.

you're right I rather go with marginal HS players like Ice harris and Coley, Im sure Rumph's experience at every level, at a high level isn't a big deal

 

[Canesfan1899]

Another blah hire.

Same retards defending it.

Yep. They're actually ridiculing the guys who question the hiring of a HS coach who was renowned for winning by recruiting.

In one breath, they squawk "you have no idea if he's going to be great or not" and then in typical contradictory ****** fashion they hit us with "we know he's a major upgrade over Williams." How the fck do they know if he's an upgrade if they're telling us we have no idea how good or bad he'll be?

It's the disease of the new coaching hire. Richt could have brought in Pat Nix as OC, and they'd applaud it.

Hiring a HS corch for a position coach at the U of M was universally recognized as a bad idea 2 weeks ago.

Now? "Great hire" "local ties" "he was a great DB here".

Nobody would've applauded a Patrick Nix hire.

Because he didn't play here.

I know this with certainty: If Rumph doesn't deliver all those studs from Heritage then Richt is a sap. Richt should have made it crystal clear that Rumph can have the CB gig if he delivers all the Heritage guys.

I don't want to hear any stupid **** about getting on them "too late". Rumph was their goddam HC and leader. He absolutely must deliver. None of this sissified "well he can't force them to come here" horse **** we've heard the last ten years or as Ice's excuse for failing to deliver local dudes.

I don't necessarily disagree. I'm not a huge fan of Rumph being brought in as a position coach instead of a recruiting position. With that said I'm willing to give Richt some benefit of the doubt with the decisions he's making with the staff. This doesn't scream of desperation like when Golden tried to hire every South Florida coach just to make ammends from the Denver Kirkland fiasco.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Rob Chudzinski's first coaching job was at Miami.

The guy didn't even coach at the HS level. He developed numerous NFL TE's during his tenure.

The legend of Randy Shannon's first coaching job was in 1992 as Miami's DL coach.

Some guys just have it......I am willing to bet Rumph will be the best DB coach we have ever had.

i'll take that bet. pagano produced reed, buchanon, rumph, starks, and al blades.

 

[Al Foil]

Chise...please name a position coach with those credentials that was not successful?

I can name at least 4 former Miami coaches that were great and never coached above the HS level before taking a position coach job and have been very successful:

Rob Chudzinski
Randy Shannon
Ken Dorsey
Mike Barrow

yeah a first round pick, all american corner, who's an elite HS coach is a bad choice for CB coach, right

Excellent point. The more talented you are as a player the better you are as a coach. That's been proven a zillion times.

 

[DiegoCane]

Sorry I missed where Hartley will definitely be coaching safeties - is there a link?

I'm curious to see what happens as well.

They have to be bringing in another defensive coach, right? Having just Diaz, Kool, Rumph, Hartley on that side of the ball when Richt's expertise is offense would be puzzling.

 

[duke4heisman]

Chise...please name a position coach with those credentials that was not successful?

I can name at least 4 former Miami coaches that were great and never coached above the HS level before taking a position coach job and have been very successful:

Rob Chudzinski
Randy Shannon
Ken Dorsey
Mike Barrow

yeah a first round pick, all american corner, who's an elite HS coach is a bad choice for CB coach, right

Excellent point. The more talented you are as a player the better you are as a coach. That's been proven a zillion times.

Also Don Sollinger

 

[KevinCaneFace]

We are talking about one of the easiest positions to coach and we're saying a guy who has coached successful teams at high school can't coach positions in college? What the **** do you guys want? I don't think Nick Saban is currently interested in being a position coach. Plus, I'm pretty sure Belicheck isn't coming for less than a coordinator role.

 

[Billy D Williams]

My support continues to get stronger for CMR every day! Rumph played at Miami, was coached by some of the best in Miami history, played PRO ball, coached in high school and won a couple state championship, but he's not qualified to coach guys coming in from high school? STFU! My guess is that Richt had him pegged from previous interactions and as soon as he got the job. I think Rumph pays dividens coaching and recruiting. Welcome aboard Coach Rumph.

 

[FullyERicht]

We are talking about one of the easiest positions to coach and we're saying a guy who has coached successful teams at high school can't coach positions in college? What the **** do you guys want? I don't think Nick Saban is currently interested in being a position coach. Plus, I'm pretty sure Belicheck isn't coming for less than a coordinator role.

Ah yes the smarmy "sorry Belichick wasnt available" answer anytime people question the quality of the coach.

Tell me, if it's so easy to coach, and so inconsequential, you must have had no issue with Paul Williams.

 

[itsacanething]

not going to research this but it seems common these days to have a former player with nfl cred on the staff as a position coach. they are relatable and rumph has been pretty successful with heritage. I have heard him a few times on the radio. he seems to to be pretty plugged into things down here. I think the plusses outweigh the negatives.

 

[The Franchise]

Chise...please name a position coach with those credentials that was not successful?

I can name at least 4 former Miami coaches that were great and never coached above the HS level before taking a position coach job and have been very successful:

Rob Chudzinski
Randy Shannon
Ken Dorsey
Mike Barrow

yeah a first round pick, all american corner, who's an elite HS coach is a bad choice for CB coach, right

Excellent point. The more talented you are as a player the better you are as a coach. That's been proven a zillion times.

You're aware Dorsey has not proven to be a great coach and that he did an apprenticeship as a low level guy in the NFL prior to being named QB coach. Barrow has never been known as a great coach and was brought in by Shannon who was a LB coach and Shannon had a major role in coaching LBs.

Not completely sure on Chud, but I'd be shocked if he didn't do some sort of apprenticeship in the NFL or as a GA. Same with Shannon. JJ said he kept Shannon around in Dallas longer than he deserved as a player basically to help coach.

 

[Al Foil]

Riiiiight.....

Go ask NFL MVP Cam Newton who he credits most of his success to.

Rumph is not Kevin Beard or Ice Harris. Rumph played in the NFL for 6 years and is the best HS football coach in SFL at age 36.

He is overqualified top coach cornerbacks at Miami.

Chise...please name a position coach with those credentials that was not successful?

I can name at least 4 former Miami coaches that were great and never coached above the HS level before taking a position coach job and have been very successful:

Rob Chudzinski
Randy Shannon
Ken Dorsey
Mike Barrow

yeah a first round pick, all american corner, who's an elite HS coach is a bad choice for CB coach, right

Excellent point. The more talented you are as a player the better you are as a coach. That's been proven a zillion times.

You're aware Dorsey has not proven to be a great coach and that he did an apprenticeship as a low level guy in the NFL prior to being named QB coach. Barrow has never been known as a great coach and was brought in by Shannon who was a LB coach and Shannon had a major role in coaching LBs.

Not completely sure on Chud, but I'd be shocked if he didn't do some sort of apprenticeship in the NFL or as a GA. Same with Shannon. JJ said he kept Shannon around in Dallas longer than he deserved as a player basically to help coach.

 

[FullyERicht]

And it already starts: looks like Rumph joining the staff will have no impact on his players coming here.

Color me shocked.....

 

[caneinpsl]

I like this hire more than when we hired Ice to coach the RB's. Ice was the kind of guy who should have stayed coaching HS for the long haul. Rumph could be an ascendant coach, and at least knows what it is like to be a part of a highly successful college program if only as a player. Time will tell. But I would have preferred a seasoned college vet with a track record.

 

[caneinpsl]

BTW it might have been mentioned already elsewhere, but if Rumph is a CB coach and not a DB coach, who is coaching the safeties? The special teams coach?

 

[FullyERicht]

[/QUOTE]
Richt is a total sap if he handed a quarter million to Rumph without a guarantee he was going to deliver those dudes. You aren't giving a HS coach that kind of scratch because he's a proven technical wizard.[/QUOTE]

Then he's a sap bc those dudes apparently have no interest in coming. When Richt wanted Sony, Rumph delivered. Now that Rumph has his cushy gig, what incentive does he have to deliver? Also, it's hard to deliver when you aren't paying dudes and your program is in the *******. Richt will find that harsh fact out very very soon, that it's not as easy to recruit here as when you have 50 bagmen boosters.

It's why you don't hire recruiter types at UM. B/C they lose their recruiting ability unless the team A) wins a ton or B) pays kids. Not that complicated really.

 

[bobbo31]

A couple thoughts on this hire.

-He was one of the best players to come through here and was a great ambassador for the program while he was here
-He is inexperienced as a coach
-He hasn't done us any favors since he has been the coach at American Heritage, we haven't gotten a single player yet from his school out of the 10+ 4 and 5 star kids he has had while there
I loved him while he was a player but since he's been there American Heritage has essentially been Dwyer with Jack Daniels as head coach.