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For those saying Ruiz needs to tone it down I ask, Do you truly think it would help UM stay out of the NCAA's cross hairs? If you answer is yes then I believe you do not have an understanding of what the NCAA truly is.

The NCAA's role is to protect an established group of universities. The rest of the universities are there to be fodder. The examples of this are numerous. Simply look at the 20 year witch hunt the NCAA undertook in going after Jerry Tarkanian over the recruitment of a kid who (1) Never played a single game at UNLV nor (2) Ever enrolled or attended UNLV. In the end, Jerry Tarkanian won because he was willing to play out a two decade lawsuit.

We saw Cam Newton's uncle call into a sports talk radio program three weeks prior to the BCS national championship game and admit that he facilitated a $200K payment to Cam Newton from an Auburn University booster. The NCAA swiftly conducted a two week investigation and promptly cleared Auburn and Cam Newton of any wrong doing before the BCS title game. I could go on and on with these examples.

My true hope is that Ruiz can get the NCAA into a discovery where they have to admit that they had knowledge of many of these things and did nothing about it. It "COULD" lead to a scenario where schools like UM, UNLV, etc. would have a valid lawsuit to sue the NCAA for damages for stuff the NCAA did to them previously. Every "have-not" university could be chomping at the bit for Ruiz to go forward with this lawsuit.

Think about it, how many athletes are out there who took money from SEC or Big Ten boosters who are now in a bad financial place? Could Ruiz provide them some "assistance" in exchange for testimony that leads to further discovery of the NCAA's historical shenanigans? I don't know. Im not an attorney. I wanted to be one but when I signed up for the test they told me I had too much moral character, so I ended up in engineering school. :cool:
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
The NCAA is on fumes, they've been defanged by the SCOTUS and conferences. They are a listing ship everyone is watching from the shore. The CFP is now its own entity too. The super conferences might even branch off eventually and leave the NCAA. They can't afford any more public wounds right now. They could "win" this case and the discovery could do 10x the damage along the way regardless. We all KNOW they play favorites, go after certain schools and people vindictively, ignore evidence against certain programs. That's all in comms somewhere. Discovery is a *****.
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You have probably heard me say this 15 times. The NCAA's exempt purpose is amateur athletics. In the NIL era, how do they reconcile that, particularly in football and basketball?
 
SFbayCane said:
You guys just described the origins of people like Bill Gates & Paul Allen (Microsoft), Steve Jobs & Steve Wozniak (Apple), Thomas Edison and many many others who've gone down in history as inventors of something they initially purchased from others. So lets no go around trying to diminish what John Ruiz has achieved. He was an accomplished lawyer prior to the development of Life Wallet.
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No one was…
 
RVACane said:
That’s the thing about the NCAA right there. The gator has a collective, it was involved in a very public NIL disaster with Rashada involving $13.5 million and the NCAA put us on probation for steaks at Ruiz’s house with his clients, the Cavinder twins. Smh.
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Yup. And don't forget about Rush Propst spilling the beans on UGA & Bama, the NCAA never looked into that. The NCAA allowed UGA to investigate themselves and find no evidence of wrongdoing LOL.
 
hoops156 said:
thats not entirely true. written discovery will likely be issued with the complaint by Ruiz and the NCAA will likely file their response (whether it be a MTD and a motion to stay discovery or Answer along with written discovery requests with that answer).
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Understood but you get my point. The NCAA is not going to want to go the distance and have Ruiz and Co. digging around where the bodies are buried.
 
SFbayCane said:
For those saying Ruiz needs to tone it down I ask, Do you truly think it would help UM stay out of the NCAA's cross hairs? If you answer is yes then I believe you do not have an understanding of what the NCAA truly is.

The NCAA's role is to protect an established group of universities. The rest of the universities are there to be fodder. The examples of this are numerous. Simply look at the 20 year witch hunt the NCAA undertook in going after Jerry Tarkanian over the recruitment of a kid who (1) Never played a single game at UNLV nor (2) Ever enrolled or attended UNLV. In the end, Jerry Tarkanian won because he was willing to play out a two decade lawsuit.

We saw Cam Newton's uncle call into a sports talk radio program three weeks prior to the BCS national championship game and admit that he facilitated a $200K payment to Cam Newton from an Auburn University booster. The NCAA swiftly conducted a two week investigation and promptly cleared Auburn and Cam Newton of any wrong doing before the BCS title game. I could go on and on with these examples.

My true hope is that Ruiz can get the NCAA into a discovery where they have to admit that they had knowledge of many of these things and did nothing about it. It "COULD" lead to a scenario where schools like UM, UNLV, etc. would have a valid lawsuit to sue the NCAA for damages for stuff the NCAA did to them previously. Every "have-not" university could be chomping at the bit for Ruiz to go forward with this lawsuit.

Think about it, how many athletes are out there who took money from SEC or Big Ten boosters who are now in a bad financial place? Could Ruiz provide them some "assistance" in exchange for testimony that leads to further discovery of the NCAA's historical shenanigans? I don't know. Im not an attorney. I wanted to be one but when I signed up for the test they told me I had too much moral character, so I ended up in engineering school. :cool:
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Don't take this the wrong way, but you are coming up with fantasy legal storylines that cannot or will not fly in the real world to try and prop up Ruiz or his role.
 
hoops156 said:
he is a booster. there is a nice article about his 2 mill donation right on UMs sites.
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He is a booster when he is wearing his booster hat and making philanthropic donations. He is a free American participating in NIL when he has his CEO hat on. I think the point of the SCOTUS ruling is that you can't restrict a free American's right to do business. The NCAA trying to play this booster nonsense would be doing just that. Who is the NCAA to say they can exclude a charitable philanthropist from doing business as well now? Sounds like the courts would eat them alive to me. Ergo, Ruiz.
 
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AlexCane said:
Don't take this the wrong way, but you are coming up with fantasy legal storylines that cannot or will not fly in the real world to try and prop up Ruiz or his role.
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No offense taken, at all.

Im not trying to prop up Ruiz. The guy is an accomplished lawyer with a ton of resources who (per this thread topic) is considering suing the NCAA. I was simply putting forth my hope that he could expose the NCAA for being what most of us here know they've always been.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
Understood but you get my point. The NCAA is not going to want to go the distance and have Ruiz and Co. digging around where the bodies are buried.
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It is quite a stretch to conceive that Ruiz would ever have access to anything like this. Discovery is not unlimited. He already has remarkably limited standing. He is going to have a remarkably difficult time suggesting in an actual court that he'd be entitled to any of the sort of things you are suggesting.

Are you an attorney? I don't say that to be disrespectful at all but there is a lot of legal fiction floating around on this thread.
 
hoops156 said:
he is a booster. there is a nice article about his 2 mill donation right on UMs sites.
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Empirical Cane said:
Perhaps, but I thought he is contending he isn't a booster and wants that label retracted?

Am I missing key points?
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I think he’s a booster but he’s also an NIL sponsor and so he has two distinct roles and in the case at hand he wasn’t acting in the booster capacity but in the NIL business capacity.

There’s no way they can stop boosters from participating in NIL.
 
AlexCane said:
It is quite a stretch to conceive that Ruiz would ever have access to anything like this. Discovery is not unlimited. He already has remarkably limited standing. He is going to have a remarkably difficult time suggesting in an actual court that he'd be entitled to any of the sort of things you are suggesting.

Are you an attorney? I don't say that to be disrespectful at all but there is a lot of legal fiction floating around on this thread.
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You make a good point. Given the basis of a case he’d bring, he may not be able to get these other things in via discovery. It’ll be limited to what’s relevant to his claims. How broad can he go with his claims though? There’s risk to the NCAA here. (As a side thought: If he can somehow make a discrimination claim, he might be able to do it.). The School absolutely could do it they were the plaintiff.
 
AlexCane said:
It is quite a stretch to conceive that Ruiz would ever have access to anything like this. Discovery is not unlimited. He already has remarkably limited standing. He is going to have a remarkably difficult time suggesting in an actual court that he'd be entitled to any of the sort of things you are suggesting.

Are you an attorney? I don't say that to be disrespectful at all but there is a lot of legal fiction floating around on this thread.
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I'm not an attorney but I play one on TV!

Access to anything like WHAT btw? I couldn't have been less specific. You're trying to tamp down something that is very fluid right now, and completely speculative.

I have been a plaintiff (and a defendant) many times so I'm not a total idiot. I think you are underestimating how broad this could become. The very basis of what the NCAA defines as a "booster" or a "violation" could be at stake if they go there. The whole thing is a can of worms. An ugly, ugly can of worms, and so much of it would be played out in the press, in an age where half the world believes whatever bull**** you feed them. The school presidents are not going to want to be associated with the muck. They want to sit up in their ivory towers and look down.

Anyway, that would be my position if I were Ruiz. Actually I'm sure my position would be even broader if I spent a week in a conference room with a team of attorneys.

So the question is, does the NCAA want to risk it? Do they want to play chicken? Or do they want to throw Ruiz whatever ******* bone he needs so their room full of old fat white men can keep cashing checks off the backs of young, unpaid student-athletes.
 
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mikel9286 said:
This seems like a weird precedent. What’s to stop someone from blowing up Alabama by becoming a booster, paying a recruit, making it public, and then suing the NCAA when they drop sanctions to give them access to the “discovery”?
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The NCAA's selective enforcement of its rules/regulations and its fierce protection of cash cows like Alabama.
 
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hoops156 said:
he is a booster. there is a nice article about his 2 mill donation right on UMs sites.
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My argument would be more nuanced. When he's negotiating NCAA deals, he's acting in his own business interest to generate revenue for his firm/partners/shareholders. When he's donating funds to University of Miami athletics, he's acting as a booster in his own personal interest for the benefit of the University of Miami. He wears multiple hats.

Otherwise, basically everyone involved in NIL is a booster and just about everyone is doing it "wrong" per NCAA rules. And, if that's the case, where are the other investigations and violations happening across the NCAA landscape, and who else is the NCAA expressly requesting to be disassociated from other universities?
 
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