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Reviewing the Classes: The Class of 2013

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JHallCanes said:
It may have been an urban legend but the way I remember it is Henry wanted to go to FSU but they wanted him at linebacker (to be fair I think most teams did)

If that’s false I’m gonna remember it that way anyway
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I will never forget going to a game in Yulee his senior year. He was foot taller and 10 steps faster than everyone else on both teams. Constant 70 yard touchdown runs.
 
JHallCanes said:
It may have been an urban legend but the way I remember it is Henry wanted to go to FSU but they wanted him at linebacker (to be fair I think most teams did)

If that’s false I’m gonna remember it that way anyway
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FSU, UGA, UF & Tennessee were all recruiting him at LB.

Bama was too initially, but once DH visited Bama he made it clear to Saban that he really wanted to be a RB in college & had no desire to play Defense. Saban was just smart enough to acquiesce to that & guaranteed to him that he was going to let him be a RB.

Every other school just continued to pursue him as a LB. But Saban realized it doesn't matter how athletic a player is, if he doesn't wanna play Defense it's not gonna work.

Defense is a mentality & the last thing you wanna do is have a kid on that side of the ball that would rather be running it, especially at the LB position. You're setting yourself & the kid up for failure.

Plus, Bama also signed 5-star LB Rueben Foster that class, so they didn't really need an extra LB.
 
cway313 said:
I will never forget going to a game in Yulee his senior year. He was foot taller and 10 steps faster than everyone else on both teams. Constant 70 yard touchdown runs.
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A little bit of dad mode hit me that day watching him and I tried to watch the comments with these kids and recruiting
 
BoxingRobes said:
Some of these players that played some snaps on the fringe of NFL rosters didn't do a **** thing for us.

AQ Muhammad, Jermaine Grace, Beau Sandland, Gus Edwards (infamously?) didn't do much of anything here for a variety of reasons.

9 NFL players quickly gets to 5, and from those 5 only 3 had anything that looked like a career in the NFL (3 DBs). Kamalu and Coley were good players here, but not even a cup of coffee in the NFL. Smoke and mirrors kind of class that might look like a decent class on paper with the volume of players that took snaps, but a closer inspection shows a far more flawed group of players.

Thought the best evaluation of the class was Kamalu. Which, starts to track. Golden, since his days at Temple, could find these developmental defensive linemen. Olsen Pierre, Kamalu here...trying to find his next Muhammad Wilkerson. We'd also miss on a ton of higher rated prospects that were similar in projection (Jelani Hamilton, for example), but you could see what they were trying to go for.

This was an overall good year in recruiting, even the underwhelming players at the top of the class ended up in the NFL to some degree. But we missed on seemingly EVERYBODY, and if we didn't miss on them, they were straight up not interested in us. As Memnon said, this is the dark times for the University of Miami...where our "successes" would be mild successes at Temple. Brutal.

Just as an aside...another team to follow at this time of our look back is Penn State. Another program with a CLOUD over them that didn't end up in College Football **** for the next decade.

Nationally, this is also when the Penn State pedo scandal really hit them hard. They would still land Hackenberg and Adam Brenenman (QB1 and TE1 in the nation) and they both will go down as two of the bigger busts of the past 15 years at their position. James Franklin would take over in the very next season and within 3 seasons, once again be a Top 10 team in the nation.
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Two different programs: Pedo State loved football so much they protected a child molester. Our presidents starting with FF Foote and continuing with Troll Shalala and finishing with freak Frank wanted to end football - two intentionally and one negligently. None of these geniuses realized how a great football program is the best advertising you can have.
 
JHallCanes said:
It may have been an urban legend but the way I remember it is Henry wanted to go to FSU but they wanted him at linebacker (to be fair I think most teams did)

If that’s false I’m gonna remember it that way anyway
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Kind of interesting how Ole Miss quickly got sanctioned when they played the same game as the established order.

It's almost as if a certain amount of chicanery was tolerated...but a serious threat was to be slapped down and crushed.
 
@DMoney, I appreciate the work your putting in on all these. It's a lot and has been interesting. Atleast Golden was getting some people drafted.
Have you and Pete stopped your Group Chat Channel?
 
GojiraCane said:
Kind of interesting how Ole Miss quickly got sanctioned when they played the same game as the established order.

It's almost as if a certain amount of chicanery was tolerated...but a serious threat was to be slapped down and crushed.
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There is a coach or corch currently at Miami who was told by Saban, as Saban tapped the school’s helmet on the TV, we can NEVER let that program come back. One guess which was that school?
 
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DMoney said:
There is a big difference between a Pro Bowler and backup player. That's why I focus on those misses in the write up. The lack of elite players held these classes back from championship level.

But this was not 7-5 talent. I know that because when Richt and Manny inherited these players they immediately won 19 games in two years. A fully functioning coach (no disease, no unqualified son) would've done even better. They started losing when their own signees started playing more.

You're right that Golden benefitted from South Florida. This was a Golden Age in the area when South Florida was tiers above every other region. Our national kids were throwaways until Mario came with a national reputation and budget. The sad thing is that we left so much meat on the bone, both with the elite local kids and the low-hanging fruit.
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That talent went 8-5 on average over the next five seasons. I know that because they won 61% (8.4-4.6 record) of their games over that period.

You are what your record says you are.

The coaches are to blame as well, but many of those coaches ended up having careers that far outlasted any of these recruits they left meat on the bone of. Golden would go on to coach in the NFL and for a National Championship runner up and is now back in the NFL. Diaz was a top DC and now a head man again in the P5.

Brennan Carroll is now OL Coach for the Raiders, Kehoe was on those Golden staffs (a shell of his former self, but I disgress), Coley is Coley, Tim Harris is an offensive coordinator now, Kevin Beard is still here, Thomas Brown is in the NFL, Hartley the GOAT, Banda, Searles won a national title at Georgia, Blake Baker, Rhett Lashlee (who just won 11 games at SMU with Miami level talent and you can extend to coaches like Patke and the dude from UNLV who are Lashlee-ites that have moved up) among others that would linger around the P5 or in position coach levels in the NFL (your Jethro Franklin types).

I'm not sure I'd call those collection of coaches 7-5/8-4 type coaches either considering what became of their careers after their time here. Were they that here? Absolutely. You are what your record says you are.

Its easy to look at all of these players and say a disproportionate number of them went to the NFL for a middling team and to put it all on the coaches...but those coaching staffs are filled with coaches that would go on to better things in the P5 and the NFL, too AFTER Miami for the most part.
 
DMoney said:
We definitely didn't get enough out of them, which is a theme with every class in this era. D'Onofrio was the worst offender. It's a shame we didn't get to see AQM and Grace in Manny's defense.

But there’s a false narrative out there that NFL players only matter if they make Pro Bowls. It's just mathematically wrong. Less than 25% of four stars make the NFL at all. So if you have an entire class of four stars, and produce 25% NFL players, that's average. These guys were 53% for the entire class. If you include only the nine four stars, they made the NFL at a 78% hit rate.

The last 25 years have been dark days for the program. But if we're talking solely about talent acquisition, the Golden Period was a relatively bright spot even with "the Cloud" and a ton of mistakes. It only got worse after that.
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Why did it get worse under Richt? He had a lot of credibility and made good things happen in 2017.
 
JHallCanes said:
A lot of depressing times back then but Coleys commitment will always go down in history for me

The emotion he was showing that day. The hat. Most had figured he was going to FSU

He didn’t reach the heights many hoped for him but he always played his best against FSU
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Crazy played football with Stacy . I was a grade above him . The back and forth with him going to FSU cause one of the reasons ( our principal graduated from FSU but our coach ( coach bennett ) played for UM . That alone was crazy , his potential was through the roof . Could’ve won states in high school is we had a D1 QB ( No shade )

If Miami had a better system in place like Mario do now he’s definitely a first round pick and one of the greatest to play at Miami .

Mind you in high school he hated to practice . 😂
 
DMoney said:
We definitely didn't get enough out of them, which is a theme with every class in this era. D'Onofrio was the worst offender. It's a shame we didn't get to see AQM and Grace in Manny's defense.

But there’s a false narrative out there that NFL players only matter if they make Pro Bowls. It's just mathematically wrong. Less than 25% of four stars make the NFL at all. So if you have an entire class of four stars, and produce 25% NFL players, that's average. These guys were 53% for the entire class. If you include only the nine four stars, they made the NFL at a 78% hit rate.

The last 25 years have been dark days for the program. But if we're talking solely about talent acquisition, the Golden Period was a relatively bright spot even with "the Cloud" and a ton of mistakes. It only got worse after that.
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Yea I think Boxing robes is grading on a 2000-2001 miami hurricanes curve.

cause Kamalu was a **** juco recruit for himt o make it to the nfl alone is a major deal. Dude got a super bowl ring lol

**** Devante Bond another juco golden "find" offer was drafted
2016: 6th round, 183rd pick
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BoxingRobes said:
That talent went 8-5 on average over the next five seasons. I know that because they won 61% (8.4-4.6 record) of their games over that period.

You are what your record says you are.

The coaches are to blame as well, but many of those coaches ended up having careers that far outlasted any of these recruits they left meat on the bone of. Golden would go on to coach in the NFL and for a National Championship runner up and is now back in the NFL. Diaz was a top DC and now a head man again in the P5.

Brennan Carroll is now OL Coach for the Raiders, Kehoe was on those Golden staffs (a shell of his former self, but I disgress), Coley is Coley, Tim Harris is an offensive coordinator now, Kevin Beard is still here, Thomas Brown is in the NFL, Hartley the GOAT, Banda, Searles won a national title at Georgia, Blake Baker, Rhett Lashlee (who just won 11 games at SMU with Miami level talent and you can extend to coaches like Patke and the dude from UNLV who are Lashlee-ites that have moved up) among others that would linger around the P5 or in position coach levels in the NFL (your Jethro Franklin types).

I'm not sure I'd call those collection of coaches 7-5/8-4 type coaches either considering what became of their careers after their time here. Were they that here? Absolutely. You are what your record says you are.

Its easy to look at all of these players and say a disproportionate number of them went to the NFL for a middling team and to put it all on the coaches...but those coaching staffs are filled with coaches that would go on to better things in the P5 and the NFL, too AFTER Miami for the most part.
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i was all the way with you until the bolded.

Brennan is an ol coach with the raiders...because just like Brennan from Prestige Worldwide and Step Brothers fame his DAD GOT HIM A JOB.

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The Tim Harris that is an offensive coordinator now.......is an offensive coordinator at Mater Academy in Hialeah.
 
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The poster begging for UM to offer Skai Moore was......ME.

He was one of the first Prop Joe kids. lol Skai watched me play football in high school as his older cousin was/is my best friend. So he would be at our games etc as a kid. ( Keep in mind we all are die hard cane fans) and Skai and those are connected to the Moss family(Santana, Sinorice) it would of been a lock.

Was telling any and everyone about Skai we didnt really recruit..then tried to offer when it was too late and the fam was already all in on south carolina. I think they offered like a week or two before signing day or showed interest ...i know it was too late..**** his fam was already picking places to stay in SC.

*Eddie Jackson's older brother was none other than.

His situation was going the same as his older brother n the kids from Lauderhill as they were all picking up robbery charges and hanging or running the wrong crowd.
Eddie Jackson played one year of football. The reason i think we werent on him was somewhat because of this....i think Bama ended up on him because he camped there n had a good spring game against U School. But really and truly i feel they fixed his grades at Boyd Anderson (which is always a clusterf*ck admin wise) to get him to play that one year. Then he got funneled direct to Saban. He should of gave some of his nfl checks to that hs coach at BA that year cause he likelyw ouldnt have played at any other hs in broward definitely not Norteast where he was at.

*Clemson was again buying players in SW FLA.... FORT MYERS/ IMMOKALEE. A running tab that continued up until nil was legal. Noticed they strategically drop the bags that area not so much dade, broward, palm.

*Jaynard Bostwick dt that went to UF was Thurston Armbristers cousin. Both of them are Bahamians. We missed there
I remember him being a deal at one point that cycle.

*https://247sports.com/player/william-likely-7489/
was a local miss that wasnt recruited out of the muck because he was small.
Should of Brought in Mike White along with Kevin Olsen in the class at qb. LOCAL

This guy threw for 1000 yards against Miami.

NFL LOCAL LB THAT I DONT THINK WE EVEN SNIFFED

*These 3 guy was all ranked after #200 in the state. Thats how deep this state is year to year.



 
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Applecane said:
Why did it get worse under Richt? He had a lot of credibility and made good things happen in 2017.
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Health.

He was very unwell & did not have the energy to be a Coach anymore. Hence why he stepped down after the 2018 season.

He ended up having a heart attack just a few months after & 2 years later would be diagnosed with Parkinson's.
 
Memnon said:
Health.

He was very unwell & did not have the energy to be a Coach anymore. Hence why he stepped down after the 2018 season.

He ended up having a heart attack just a few months after & 2 years later would be diagnosed with Parkinson's.
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Richt was the life jacket we needed at the time and he spearheaded more investment in the football program
 
gogeta4 said:
i was all the way with you until the bolded.

Brennan is an ol coach with the raiders...because just like Brennan from Prestige Worldwide and Step Brothers fame his DAD GOT HIM A JOB.

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The Tim Harris that is an offensive coordinator now.......is an offensive coordinator at Mater Academy in Hialeah.
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If we're going to count Beau Sandland...cant we count the National Recruiting Ccordinator / TE Coach (he was doing WRs at some point in there)

Isn't Timmy Jr. at FSU now coordinating passing games?
 
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