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One of those seasons (maybe 2013, I don't quite remember) we had one of the top rushing offenses in school history.

We had 3 NFL starters on the offensive line. Neither Flowers, Linder or Feliciano was struggling to push anybody around, that's for sure. They were trench bullies. And we had Stoutland coaching the unit.
Those guys were also strong as **** in the weight room, so I don't necessarily think it was S&C.

I don't care how strong your offensive line is, numbers are still numbers, and it's hard to block 9 men in the box.

I mean, it's hard to lie with those statistics but it's still odd to me. Part of me wants to blame it on predictability and poor QB play.
 
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DMoney said:
In 2014, we started three NFL OL and had two NFL RBs.

How did we finish 101st in short yardage?
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Predictable style of run play.
If you run a lead, dive or IZ everyone sees it coming.
If you run misdirection or a counter might have a better chance.
Different coaches all ran the same stuff. Enos of all was the most diverse in the run game, as in had both zone and gap plays inside and outside.
 
Rellyrell said:
FINALLY! This guy gets it.

1. As I’ve been saying for a couple of years now, our S&C has been wack and it shows in the trenches.

2. We have been predictable af

3. We have caused ZERO fear into any defense we’ve played

4. We’ve had ZERO innovative coaches here

5. We’ve been inconsistent with players’ performances/motivation
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Oh man, I didn't even want to think of S&C. There are at least 70 teams out there that have looked bigger, stronger, and faster than us the last 12 years or so. IF you're going to be as bland *** vanilla as we have been, you'd better have an O-line full of 5th year seniors that can simply maul everything in front of them. Us? Oh **** no. Let's throw some true freshmen out there and hope it pays off in 4 years. Freshmen that are nowhere ready, and will probably be so shell shocked they will never reach their potential.

Everything about our team has been poorly managed for **** near two decades.
 
ThomasM said:
Oh man, I didn't even want to think of S&C. There are at least 70 teams out there that have looked bigger, stronger, and faster than us the last 12 years or so. IF you're going to be as bland *** vanilla as we have been, you'd better have an O-line full of 5th year seniors that can simply maul everything in front of them. Us? Oh **** no. Let's throw some true freshmen out there and hope it pays off in 4 years. Freshmen that are nowhere ready, and will probably be so shell shocked they will never reach their potential.

Everything about our team has been poorly managed for **** near two decades.
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Big facts; when we played against LA Tech....not UF, not VT, not UVA, but LA Tech....thats all I needed to know about our trenches & the quality of our S&C
 
DMoney said:
In 2014, we started three NFL OL and had two NFL RBs.

How did we finish 101st in short yardage?
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I hear about ‘nfl ol’ in hindsight around here, but rarely if ever hear about whether the guys we’re talking about were freshman or seniors, developed or not, etc. What were those guys in 2014, is the important question - not what did they become years later.

It was a okay group in ‘14, but not more than that, imo. Feliciano was a SR and flowers a JR both were talented and physically all there. Flowers was maddening with false starts and holds, but whatever. Shane mcdermott was a SR and actually was pretty good and underrated around here. Not an NFL guy, but nfl guy is an overrated reference, imo. That should be enough for a great line. But all we had around them was Darling as a true freshman, Isidora a soph and not yet very good, and Kc mcdermott a true frosh also. Beyond that there was nothing I can recall. So typical Miami dynamic, a couple really talented kids, one of whom wasn’t disciplined and caused too many penalties. One solid experienced kid when we should have several of them. And a couple too young, not yet ready inexperienced kids, and nothing behind them. We should be able to find useful guys to put around a Feliciano, Flowers combo and run with that, but instead we’re crossing our fingers and hoping true frosh can play on OL because we blow so many evals.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
I hear about ‘nfl ol’ in hindsight around here, but rarely if ever hear about whether the guys we’re talking about were freshman or seniors, developed or not, etc. What were those guys in 2014, is the important question - not what did they become years later.
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Feliciano and Flowers were both experienced upperclassmen and Shane McDermott was first team All-ACC.

Throw in Isidora and that should be one of the better lines in the country.
 
Rellyrell said:
Big facts; when we played against LA Tech....not UF, not VT, not UVA, but LA Tech....thats all I needed to know about our trenches & the quality of our S&C
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We also had a bunch of young guys playing. When you have young, non-bluechip guys playing early on the OL that’s never a good sign. Feeley may end up sucking, but I’m not writing him off based on that.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
We also had a bunch of young guys playing. When you have young, non-bluechip guys playing early on the OL that’s never a good sign. Feeley may end up sucking, but I’m not writing him off based on that.
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What does that have to do w our defense? I the said LA Tech GAME. They rushed for 174 against a veteran defense.
 
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Rellyrell said:
What does that have to do w our defense? I the said LA Tech GAME. They rushed for 174 against a veteran defense.
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I’m clearly talking about OL. Trenches are on both sides. Regardless, I’m not making any indictments on the S&C coach... yet. Most of our guys had checked out by the bowl, unfortunately, which is a bigger issue. We didn’t look weak on defense for most of the season, especially not against the run.
 
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Arehel said:
Predictable style of run play.
If you run a lead, dive or IZ everyone sees it coming.
If you run misdirection or a counter might have a better chance.
Different coaches all ran the same stuff. Enos of all was the most diverse in the run game, as in had both zone and gap plays inside and outside.
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Yet, at the same time, Enos would stick with a QB run play call into a company of soldiers if that’s what he had come up with during the 23 seconds he decided in between plays.

I think 142 year old Butch Davis felt like General Patton across the sideline predicting our plays. He had rows of defenders plugging where he thought our plays were going.

The goal line play where Jarren Williams runs despite having a slot WR uncovered is Enos’ legacy here. We had timeouts, too. I still can’t wrap my head around that play.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
I’m clearly talking about OL. Trenches are on both sides. Regardless, I’m not making any indictments on the S&C coach... yet. Most of our guys had checked out by the bowl, unfortunately, which is a bigger issue. We didn’t look weak on defense for most of the season, especially not against the run.
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I didn’t get a chance to address one of your previous comments; you said we started freshmen and didn’t have blue chips. You act as if we’re playing a schedule full of blue chips on either side of the ball. Lol.

I’m going to exclude sacks in these stats:

LA Tech: 40 attempts/ 174 yrds (4.35 ypc)
Duke: 44 attempts/ 143 yrds (3.25 ypc)
FIU: 30 attempts/ 152 yrds (5.1 ypc)
UL: 25 attempts/ 176 yrds (7 ypc)
Pitt: 41 attempts / 178 yrds (4.34 ypc)
GT: 45 attempts / 207 yrds (4.6 ypc)
VT: 44 attempts / 153 yrds (3.48 ypc)
To your point, our first 4 games: UF, UNC, BCU, and CMU....we were dominating the opposing run offense. Mind you, we were the same putrid offense, so let’s throw that argument out the window.

What’s interesting to note is that those same four opponents only ran the ball: 24, 24, 25, and 20 times respectively. THEN VT gave every opponent the blue print from there on...and every opponent just pounded the rock and kept the chains moving.

Our last nine opponents leaned tf on us in the run game. Only FSU and UVA were unsuccessful in their attempts to control the L.O.S, but 7 of our last 9 opponents controlled the L.O.S. As a result, even with a **** @&&ed schedule, we ranked 72nd in T.O.P.

So like I said, as a team, our S&C have reared it’s ugly head, and this has nothing to Feeley, b/c when Gus was here, teams figured they could just run it down our throats, as well. Why? B/c our trench game has been weak. We’re slow, out of shape, with **** poor endurance. Unless we blitz to stop the run, we get bludgeoned.

2018 was the same thing; first four opponents, stout, with exception of the long run against LSU. Then our 5th game starting w/ UNC:
UNC: 240 Yrds, UVA: 147 Yrds, BC: 229 Yrds, Duke: 146 Yrds, GT: 230 Yrds, Wisc: 333 Yrds. Same chit; 7 of our last 9 opponents dig into us.

We can use great improvement w our S&C program, and it has chit to do w yelling, resistance bands, or saying every player is running 20 mph!
 
DMoney said:
Feliciano and Flowers were both experienced upperclassmen and Shane McDermott was first team All-ACC.

Throw in Isidora and that should be one of the better lines in the country.
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I hit the point above. Isidora as a soph wasn't particularly good and we had zero behind those guys. i agree the whole offense should have been better than we played that year — my point is talking about ‘nfl OL’ measured by years later doesn’t tell the 2014 story. McDermott was a top 3 OL on that team, and probably top 2 by performance, and he was not an NFL guy (unless we’re now counting practice squad guys as nfl kids). That OL had a couple talented kids but zero competent depth and it showed. We would have been much better off with 2 more mcdermott-type non-nfl kids then 1 (or even 2) more Isidora-as-a-sophmore type kids.

It’s a good example of why talking about nfl kids can miss the mark. Not different from henderson the year before, either. The NFL is drafting OL with physical abilities and in some cases hoping it can mold them if they mature. What we need at UM is really different. Especially on OL, it’s tough, mature, experienced guys who are disciplined, buy into the plan and don’t quit. 2 good years from an upper classman who fits this profile is how you fill out OL. Our NFL prospects at OL have too often been the opposite - kids with tantalizing physical abilities but insufficient effort and discipline.

And for the record, Isidora to me is closer to a McDermott than a Feliciano. Isidora is a marginal NFL player, and he was a solid kid at UM for his last 2 years. He wasn’t an elite kid who was physically ready to play early like a flowers, henderson or orlando franklin. I’d be happy if we had no ‘nfl kids’ on our OL but we had depth, experience, maturity and toughness from the unit.
 
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