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LuCane said:
Yet, at the same time, Enos would stick with a QB run play call into a company of soldiers if that’s what he had come up with during the 23 seconds he decided in between plays.

I think 142 year old Butch Davis felt like General Patton across the sideline predicting our plays. He had rows of defenders plugging where he thought our plays were going.

The goal line play where Jarren Williams runs despite having a slot WR uncovered is Enos’ legacy here. We had timeouts, too. I still can’t wrap my head around that play.
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Never said he wasn't predictable!
He had good timing on his screens about 75 percent of the time, then teams picked up on those tendencies then he was fugged.

Just had diversity in the run game haha
 
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Ethnicsands said:
I hit the point above. Isidora as a soph wasn't particularly good and we had zero behind those guys. i agree the whole offense should have been better than we played that year — my point is talking about ‘nfl OL’ measured by years later doesn’t tell the 2014 story. McDermott was a top 3 OL on that team, and probably top 2 by performance, and he was not an NFL guy (unless we’re now counting practice squad guys as nfl kids). That OL had a couple talented kids but zero competent depth and it showed. We would have been much better off with 2 more mcdermott-type non-nfl kids then 1 (or even 2) more Isidora-as-a-sophmore type kids.

It’s a good example of why talking about nfl kids can miss the mark. Not different from henderson the year before, either. The NFL is drafting OL with physical abilities and in some cases hoping it can mold them if they mature. What we need at UM is really different. Especially on OL, it’s tough, mature, experienced guys who are disciplined, buy into the plan and don’t quit. 2 good years from an upper classman who fits this profile is how you fill out OL. Our NFL prospects at OL have too often been the opposite - kids with tantalizing physical abilities but insufficient effort and discipline.

And for the record, Isidora to me is closer to a McDermott than a Feliciano. Isidora is a marginal NFL player, and he was a solid kid at UM for his last 2 years. He wasn’t an elite kid who was physically ready to play early like a flowers, henderson or orlando franklin. I’d be happy if we had no ‘nfl kids’ on our OL but we had depth, experience, maturity and toughness from the unit.
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I understand the point you’re trying to make. It just doesn’t apply here.

Feliciano, Flowers and McDermott went into the season with 75 combined starts. Isidora was a third-year player. They were healthy. It should have been one of the best lines in the country based on experience and talent.
 
DMoney said:
I understand the point you’re trying to make. It just doesn’t apply here.

Feliciano, Flowers and McDermott went into the season with 75 combined starts. Isidora was a third-year player. They were healthy. It should have been one of the best lines in the country based on experience and talent.
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Man I remember 2013 I believe that line was struggling to get push in short yardage vs fau and their d-line was small as ****.
 
Rellyrell said:
THEN VT gave every opponent the blue print from there on...and every opponent just pounded the rock and kept the chains moving.
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VT averaged 3.48 yards per carry by your numbers. That’s definitely not the blueprint. If anything, the defense looked well conditioned against VT to allow us to come back after the offense put them in a terrible hole.


Rellyrell said:
As a result, even with a **** @&&ed schedule, we ranked 72nd in T.O.P.
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How much of this has to do with awful playcalling by Enos?

Long story short, I made a simple statement about not rushing to judgment on Feeley. The proof is in the pudding about Felder.
 
DMoney said:
I understand the point you’re trying to make. It just doesn’t apply here.

Feliciano, Flowers and McDermott went into the season with 75 combined starts. Isidora was a third-year player. They were healthy. It should have been one of the best lines in the country based on experience and talent.
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We just disagree then. My point applies because despite what you say, Isidora was not particularly good as a RS Soph, so calling him an ‘nfl OL’ mischaracterizes what he was in 2014 at UM, and also because beyond those guys we had two true frosh and nothing, so pointing to the few kids you do overlooks the actual state of our OL that year, which was a depth chart disaster.

I agree it should hve been better. I disagree with the ‘nfl ol’ labeling to explain why, and also the lck of scrutiny on experience and depth.
 
LuCane said:
Yet, at the same time, Enos would stick with a QB run play call into a company of soldiers if that’s what he had come up with during the 23 seconds he decided in between plays.

I think 142 year old Butch Davis felt like General Patton across the sideline predicting our plays. He had rows of defenders plugging where he thought our plays were going.

The goal line play where Jarren Williams runs despite having a slot WR uncovered is Enos’ legacy here. We had timeouts, too. I still can’t wrap my head around that play.
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ALL OF THIS.
 
Liberty City El said:
PRO
STYLE








BRO!
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This is a big part of it. A huge portion of the country was running spread even in short yardage situations and getting a numbers advantage in the box. We were pro style bro and going double TE and 1 WR in short yardage and getting a numbers disadvantage in the box
 
Enos best call all season was his call on 4th and 1 against Pitt when he had Jarren throw a quick outside pass to pick up the easiest 4th down conversion ever

He then decided to run into our OL backsides rest of season
 
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The Franchise said:
Dummies fall for the John Madden "it's all on the OL" huckabuck. We've had good OL and still couldn't get anything done on 3rd and short.
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This is true. But whether or not we actually had a good OL is not demonstrated by after the fact references to a couple kids who ended up in the nfl years later. It’s about depth, talent and experience during the season we’re considering.

/wash
//rinse
///repeat
////sigh
 
Ethnicsands said:
This is true. But whether or not we actually had a good OL is not demonstrated by after the fact references to a couple kids who ended up in the nfl years later. It’s about depth, talent and experience during the season we’re considering.

/wash
//rinse
///repeat
////sigh
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You don't really need that much depth on the OL. You typically play 5 or 6 guys every game. Our OLs have been more than good enough to produce better results on 3rd and short than we have.
 
Ethnicsands said:
This is true. But whether or not we actually had a good OL is not demonstrated by after the fact references to a couple kids who ended up in the nfl years later. It’s about depth, talent and experience during the season we’re considering.
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Feliciano, McDermott and Isidora started 13 games. Flowers started 12. Depth didn't come into play too much.

Three NFL players, another first-team All-ACC player, and over 75 career starts. Again, there is no reason the OL struggled like it did. Just another example of Miami doing more with less.
 
Rellyrell said:
FINALLY! This guy gets it.

1. As I’ve been saying for a couple of years now, our S&C has been wack and it shows in the trenches.

2. We have been predictable af

3. We have caused ZERO fear into any defense we’ve played

4. We’ve had ZERO innovative coaches here

5. We’ve been inconsistent with players’ performances/motivation
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That's alot of **** to correct. Right now the question as a Canes fan is "how long is this realistically going to take ?" Systematic improvement overnight has a very low probability rate...
 
I think the spread will help this. Think of our RBs over that span: Lamar Miller, Duke Johnson, Joe Yearby, Mark Walton. None of them are power backs - they’re all small, quick and fast. Spread out the offense and give them space to do what they do best: make defenders miss in the open field and fly past them. Even in 3rd and short situations, the defense will be second guessing and forced to spread out more, giving our RBs more space to do what they do best.
 
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AllAboutTheU13 said:
I think the spread will help this. Think of our RBs over that span: Lamar Miller, Duke Johnson, Joe Yearby, Mark Walton. None of them are power backs - they’re all small, quick and fast. Spread out the offense and give them space to do what they do best: make defenders miss in the open field and fly past them. Even in 3rd and short situations, the defense will be second guessing and forced to spread out more, giving our RBs more space to do what they do best.
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We've needed the spread here forever. LSU couldn't run the ball consistently well enough to put up offensive numbers with great RBs either when they were running from tight formations into 9 man fronts. You can have the best RBs in the world, but ramming them into tight 9 man boxes is a recipe for disaster.
 
1LuvCane said:
That's alot of **** to correct. Right now the question as a Canes fan is "how long is this realistically going to take ?" Systematic improvement overnight has a very low probability rate...
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Richt had reasonably got us to a point to capture momentum; and then


Well, we know. So I’m not sure.
 
The Franchise said:
You don't really need that much depth on the OL. You typically play 5 or 6 guys every game. Our OLs have been more than good enough to produce better results on 3rd and short than we have.
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Of course. Every unit on our offense has underperformed because of coaching. But that doesn’t mean our OL actually had good talent, when it had 3 good kids, 1 passable soph and two true frosh with nothing whatsoever behind them. My point is and has been that alleging 2014 ‘talent’ by pointing to 2018 ’nfl kids’ is not a sound way to discuss 2014. Has nothing to do with defending **** coaches. Has to do with honesty around here about what we’re talking about.
 
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