Recruiting in Present day CFB and how it impacts Butch

[canesrdynamite]

This reminds me of the administrators at high schools who hire their Head Coaches based on their relationship to the community rather than what they did at their last coaching stop.

A coach can consistently have a winning record at a talent-less school like Cooper City, Western or West Broward but get his a$$ passed up for an HC gig by some street cat who got fired at his last coaching job...all because he "knows the neighborhood". These are the kind of coaches that can get some good ball players but often lose when they finally face a better coached team that has a fraction of the talent. And when they're not absolutely loaded with talent they're having a "down year".

I want a coach that can create a tradition of winning year in and year out, regardless of how much talent we have. I want 9-3 records even when the cupboard is bare...and watch the wins go up as we add the elite pieces. I don't want us to rely on 2000-2004 Canes talent just to win the Coastal.

I don't disagree with any of that. I'd be happy to see guys like Kelly or Patterson or Dantonio or Gundy or maybe even Hue Jackson, but I'd be on board with Butch or Herman if we go that route.

I'm not all in on Butch, but I don't have any doubts about his ability to recruit and put a staff in place to develop the talent he gets.

 

[Verobob]

What are the odds of Butch coming back ? 70 to 1, 30 to 1 ? My take is they just aren't that good
because UM is so paranoid about not having another N. Shapiro situation. Yes, I would like to
see Butch back but I just don'think it will happen. Let's admit it the UNC cloud is still over his head
even with the UNC "clearance. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Gatorhater]

Winning is important, no doubt, but today celebrity is so, so important everywhere -- see Trump. Butch has his own documentary, U part 2. He also has huge number of NFL stars he recruited and the best of these kids are worried most about getting to the NFL. Butch might in fact have an even bigger edge today than 15 years ago. EVERYONE knows him now. Everyone knows all those players HE sent to NFL. So while other coaches might have more contact with local kids than before, Butch also has a huge NEW weapon, his name recognition.

If Urban makes an impression of kids saying "you are my next Percy" then imagine Butch with "you are my next ....PICK A ALL PRO name". Butch can walk into a home where Urban and Saban are sitting in the livingroom and wave his hand, "move over children, the man is back in town!"

And then Urban and Saban pull out their 6 rings and laugh in his face.

1 NC and 2 super bowl rings look pretty good too, I imagine.

Butch would have to work for sure to keep kids at home, but does anybody here think he's afraid of recruiting against the big boys? That he wouldn't be all in on recruits? Every time Butch talks about coaching he talks about recruiting & developing kids. He loves it.

As far as pressure to win right away, I think enough wins will come early for this not to be a huge issue. Even if he only wins 8 games and the team shows flashes, there will be hope. And, once you get a critical mass of talent, other talent will want in.

If he falls flat on his face with a losing season in the 2nd year, there are problems, but I don't think he has to win 10 games out of the gate to get kids to come to UM.

I'm not all that sure kids are more impressed by rings that are decades old, versus the 6 rings they witnessed those two coaches win in their lifetime.

Very impressive for sure. But what about, "Nick, tell this young man who's 1st round draft picks record did you just miss breaking." "Hey, Urbie have you ahd any 1st round picks? Now I mean 1st round, not 1st degree felons." My point is that Butch can go toe to toe with the two best coaches going today. Any other candidates that can do that?

 

[Loafers]

Dumbo fisher had how many rings when he was getting #1 Classes every year while going 8-4.

 

[FullyERicht]

Yall trying to catch lightning in a bottle for a second time.

I still think winning = recruits.

Give me a coach who can win without being loaded to the brim with NFL talent. If he can win the majority of his games without that then it tells me he could set the whole NCAA on fire once he gets it. (elite talent that is)

Macho we have battled in the past plenty. But you and I see eye to eye on what Miami needs. Glad you understand that it's not 1995.

 

[Mikesmith29150]

Butch had gurley, marshall, and golson committed before nc let him go, but yet you clowns said the mans recruiting slowed down . Shut up and stop Butch hating

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I'm no recruiting expert but Golden Showers brought up a good point in the Butch Davis thread and is a pertinent question if Butch is going to be our next coach. Those that know recruiting can you expound on this? I'll quote him below. But my questions are, has the recruiting landscape changed so much that it would mitigate some of what Butch brings to the table? I know he recruited studs at UNC, but he also had one of the dirtiest bag men to help him reel in players. I'm assuming he won't have that at Miami. So how does all of that impact his ability to recruit enough talent to win and win big (which is what everyone wants). With tech today, I'm also assuming finding diamonds in the rough won't be as easy.

Its 2015. Miami is 15 years removed from it's last title. If the coach comes in and doesn't win within the first couple of seasons, the cupboard will not get stocked b/c in 2015, kids don't want to play for mediocre programs.

This isn't 1996 where Miami coaches are able to get to know players better than any other staff. Cell phones and social media killed that years ago. Do you realize how different it was back then? A kid with an offer from Auburn got one in the mail, and the Auburn coaches had to hope and pray he A) had a phone line B) he picked up when they called. They couldn't text him after every win or tweet him or facebook him. So when Miami was ****ty in 1997 we still had the massive upper hand bc the HC could come to the recruits school every **** weekend and built a relationship that no other school could touch.

THAT WAY IS OVER FOLKS. Now, if a kid has an offer from Auburn, he likely has just as much contact and relationship with them as he does the local team. That means the selling point for that kid is going to come down to HOW THE TEAM IS PLAYING. Yes, kids will come here bc of the brand and the location, but if the team sucks then all we have to draw kids is some documentary of how things were. You aren't "out relationship-ing" schools for SoFla recruits anymore. Technology ended that.

So you have to win. And win fast.

There is a bunch of speculation and conjecture in that post.

Let's just wait till Butch gets here and then criticize the ******* siht out of him after he fvcks up.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

What are the odds of Butch coming back ? 70 to 1, 30 to 1 ? My take is they just aren't that good
because UM is so paranoid about not having another N. Shapiro situation. Yes, I would like to
see Butch back but I just don'think it will happen. Let's admit it the UNC cloud is still over his head
even with the UNC "clearance. I hope I'm wrong.

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[GhostRecon_Cane]

Winning is important, no doubt, but today celebrity is so, so important everywhere -- see Trump. Butch has his own documentary, U part 2. He also has huge number of NFL stars he recruited and the best of these kids are worried most about getting to the NFL. Butch might in fact have an even bigger edge today than 15 years ago. EVERYONE knows him now. Everyone knows all those players HE sent to NFL. So while other coaches might have more contact with local kids than before, Butch also has a huge NEW weapon, his name recognition.

If Urban makes an impression of kids saying "you are my next Percy" then imagine Butch with "you are my next ....PICK A ALL PRO name". Butch can walk into a home where Urban and Saban are sitting in the livingroom and wave his hand, "move over children, the man is back in town!"

And then Urban and Saban pull out their 6 rings and laugh in his face.

7 rings
SABAN 1 LSU 3 BAMA
URBAN 2 UF 1 OSU

 

[Gatorhater]

Winning is important, no doubt, but today celebrity is so, so important everywhere -- see Trump. Butch has his own documentary, U part 2. He also has huge number of NFL stars he recruited and the best of these kids are worried most about getting to the NFL. Butch might in fact have an even bigger edge today than 15 years ago. EVERYONE knows him now. Everyone knows all those players HE sent to NFL. So while other coaches might have more contact with local kids than before, Butch also has a huge NEW weapon, his name recognition.

If Urban makes an impression of kids saying "you are my next Percy" then imagine Butch with "you are my next ....PICK A ALL PRO name". Butch can walk into a home where Urban and Saban are sitting in the livingroom and wave his hand, "move over children, the man is back in town!"

And then Urban and Saban pull out their 6 rings and laugh in his face.

7 rings
SABAN 1 LSU 3 BAMA
URBAN 2 UF 1 OSU

I c your 7 rings and raise you 29 first round NFL draft picks.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Yall trying to catch lightning in a bottle for a second time.

I still think winning = recruits.

Give me a coach who can win without being loaded to the brim with NFL talent. If he can win the majority of his games without that then it tells me he could set the whole NCAA on fire once he gets it. (elite talent that is)

So who is your guy? For the record Coach.

 

[TemplarCane]

This reminds me of the administrators at high schools who hire their Head Coaches based on their relationship to the community rather than what they did at their last coaching stop.

A coach can consistently have a winning record at a talent-less school like Cooper City, Western or West Broward but get his a$$ passed up for an HC gig by some street cat who got fired at his last coaching job...all because he "knows the neighborhood". These are the kind of coaches that can get some good ball players but often lose when they finally face a better coached team that has a fraction of the talent. And when they're not absolutely loaded with talent they're having a "down year".

I want a coach that can create a tradition of winning year in and year out, regardless of how much talent we have. I want 9-3 records even when the cupboard is bare...and watch the wins go up as we add the elite pieces. I don't want us to rely on 2000-2004 Canes talent just to win the Coastal.

Is the cupboard bare right now? I don't think so. There are deficiencies (OL, for one) and there will be some attrition but whomever the new coach is does not have a complete rebuilding project.

And a winning coaching staff that can recruit SoFla well should never have a 'down year', unless the talent in SoFla is down.

Review the 2016 schedule and tell me why the Canes talent level would suggest less than 9-3. The toughest games are @ND and home games against FSU and UNC. @VT is a wildcard - new coach and all.

 

[Coach Macho]

This reminds me of the administrators at high schools who hire their Head Coaches based on their relationship to the community rather than what they did at their last coaching stop.

A coach can consistently have a winning record at a talent-less school like Cooper City, Western or West Broward but get his a$$ passed up for an HC gig by some street cat who got fired at his last coaching job...all because he "knows the neighborhood". These are the kind of coaches that can get some good ball players but often lose when they finally face a better coached team that has a fraction of the talent. And when they're not absolutely loaded with talent they're having a "down year".

I want a coach that can create a tradition of winning year in and year out, regardless of how much talent we have. I want 9-3 records even when the cupboard is bare...and watch the wins go up as we add the elite pieces. I don't want us to rely on 2000-2004 Canes talent just to win the Coastal.

Is the cupboard bare right now? I don't think so. There are deficiencies (OL, for one) and there will be some attrition but whomever the new coach is does not have a complete rebuilding project.

And a winning coaching staff that can recruit SoFla well should never have a 'down year', unless the talent in SoFla is down.

Review the 2016 schedule and tell me why the Canes talent level would suggest less than 9-3. The toughest games are @ND and home games against FSU and UNC. @VT is a wildcard - new coach and all.

You apparently didn't understand the point of my post.

 

[Coach Macho]

Yall trying to catch lightning in a bottle for a second time.

I still think winning = recruits.

Give me a coach who can win without being loaded to the brim with NFL talent. If he can win the majority of his games without that then it tells me he could set the whole NCAA on fire once he gets it. (elite talent that is)

So who is your guy? For the record Coach.

In no specific order...

Mullen
Fuenta
Fedora
Herman
Kelly

Just to name a few.

 

[TemplarCane]

This reminds me of the administrators at high schools who hire their Head Coaches based on their relationship to the community rather than what they did at their last coaching stop.

A coach can consistently have a winning record at a talent-less school like Cooper City, Western or West Broward but get his a$$ passed up for an HC gig by some street cat who got fired at his last coaching job...all because he "knows the neighborhood". These are the kind of coaches that can get some good ball players but often lose when they finally face a better coached team that has a fraction of the talent. And when they're not absolutely loaded with talent they're having a "down year".

I want a coach that can create a tradition of winning year in and year out, regardless of how much talent we have. I want 9-3 records even when the cupboard is bare...and watch the wins go up as we add the elite pieces. I don't want us to rely on 2000-2004 Canes talent just to win the Coastal.

Is the cupboard bare right now? I don't think so. There are deficiencies (OL, for one) and there will be some attrition but whomever the new coach is does not have a complete rebuilding project.

And a winning coaching staff that can recruit SoFla well should never have a 'down year', unless the talent in SoFla is down.

Review the 2016 schedule and tell me why the Canes talent level would suggest less than 9-3. The toughest games are @ND and home games against FSU and UNC. @VT is a wildcard - new coach and all.

You apparently didn't understand the point of my post.

Apparently you want a coach who can somehow win 9 of 12 games despite having a roster void of talent.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Yall trying to catch lightning in a bottle for a second time.

I still think winning = recruits.

Give me a coach who can win without being loaded to the brim with NFL talent. If he can win the majority of his games without that then it tells me he could set the whole NCAA on fire once he gets it. (elite talent that is)

So who is your guy? For the record Coach.

In no specific order...

Mullen
Fuenta
Fedora
Herman
Kelly

Just to name a few.

I didn't know you smoked weed homie.

 

[Coach Macho]

Yall trying to catch lightning in a bottle for a second time.

I still think winning = recruits.

Give me a coach who can win without being loaded to the brim with NFL talent. If he can win the majority of his games without that then it tells me he could set the whole NCAA on fire once he gets it. (elite talent that is)

So who is your guy? For the record Coach.

In no specific order...

Mullen
Fuenta
Fedora
Herman
Kelly

Just to name a few.

I didn't know you smoked weed homie.

I didn't know you smoked pole.

 

[Coach Macho]

This reminds me of the administrators at high schools who hire their Head Coaches based on their relationship to the community rather than what they did at their last coaching stop.

A coach can consistently have a winning record at a talent-less school like Cooper City, Western or West Broward but get his a$$ passed up for an HC gig by some street cat who got fired at his last coaching job...all because he "knows the neighborhood". These are the kind of coaches that can get some good ball players but often lose when they finally face a better coached team that has a fraction of the talent. And when they're not absolutely loaded with talent they're having a "down year".

I want a coach that can create a tradition of winning year in and year out, regardless of how much talent we have. I want 9-3 records even when the cupboard is bare...and watch the wins go up as we add the elite pieces. I don't want us to rely on 2000-2004 Canes talent just to win the Coastal.

Is the cupboard bare right now? I don't think so. There are deficiencies (OL, for one) and there will be some attrition but whomever the new coach is does not have a complete rebuilding project.

And a winning coaching staff that can recruit SoFla well should never have a 'down year', unless the talent in SoFla is down.

Review the 2016 schedule and tell me why the Canes talent level would suggest less than 9-3. The toughest games are @ND and home games against FSU and UNC. @VT is a wildcard - new coach and all.

You apparently didn't understand the point of my post.

Apparently you want a coach who can somehow win 9 of 12 games despite having a roster void of talent.

Miami's "bare cupboard" should be able to win 9 games minimum every season.

Your response shows me that you didn't comprehend my point at all. Let me know where the disconnect is.

 

[CaneScott]

His recruiting at UNC followed the same disturbing pattern you see all over.

First two seasons he closes on some elite kids.

Then he didn't win fast enough, and stopped landing em.

This is the truth. You might be able to land a few big name guys with the buzz around a new coach but at the end of the day if you want to bring them in consistently you have to win. If we are winning though (especially with our history) it doesnt matter who our head coach is we will still bring in top classes.

This is why I consider an X's and O's guy to be far more important than a recruiter at this point.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Yall trying to catch lightning in a bottle for a second time.

I still think winning = recruits.

Give me a coach who can win without being loaded to the brim with NFL talent. If he can win the majority of his games without that then it tells me he could set the whole NCAA on fire once he gets it. (elite talent that is)

So who is your guy? For the record Coach.

In no specific order...

Mullen
Fuenta
Fedora
Herman
Kelly

Just to name a few.

I didn't know you smoked weed homie.

I didn't know you smoked pole.

Neva I was simply pointing out how some of your choices were pipe dreams as far as the Miami admin is concerned. But if you want to get all psussy about it.


Come get some...If you dare you pigeon.

Jerk that pistol and get to work boy.



https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/butch-davis-hc-ill-bet-account/93855/7

I always wondered why you didn't get more props as a corch in SoFla. I think I now know why.

Step up and be a man SON.