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Really Really OT...Kind of: Future of Miami

TitansHope said:
my background is in political ecology and social-ecological systems. climate change is inextricable from politics, because politics at its core is what determines allocation of resources, natural and otherwise. acting as though the two are separate is magical thinking.

say the word "unsubstantiated" a few more times if it makes you happier, though. you do you.
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Aaah … "political" kind of lends itself to "unsubstantiated". It's not hard to build a case if you have your thumbs on the scale.
 
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supersaiyanshel said:
No one is saying the planet is going to somehow spontaneously combust or go away. It's about making the planet habitable while we and our children are on it.
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Just throw on an extra pair of skinny jeans and polish up those flip flops and you, and your kids, should be fine.
 
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NorthEastCane said:
Aaah … "political" kind of lends itself to "unsubstantiated". It's not hard to build a case if you have your thumbs on the scale.
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political ecology is the analysis of ecosystems taking into account the effects on those ecosystems of political policy. there are granular things that can be debated about how x policy effects x ecosystem, but as a whole it's not like it's a field dominated by rabid partisans. most of these effects are concrete, quantifiable, and substantiated by a significant body of research.
 
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***-e-skr said:
Just throw on an extra pair of skinny jean and polish up those flip flops and you, and your kids, should be fine.
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Nah. Childhood asthma already on the rise, as is the spread of other diseases bc of the change. Dont think the extra Skinny Jean's will do the truck.

I will polish up those flip flops tho just bc .
 
TitansHope said:
my background is in political ecology and social-ecological systems. climate change is inextricable from politics, because politics at its core is what determines allocation of resources, natural and otherwise. acting as though the two are separate is magical thinking.

say the word "unsubstantiated" a few more times if it makes you happier, though. you do you.
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So if climate change is scientifically disproven, you're out of a job, right?
 
supersaiyanshel said:
Nah. Childhood asthma already on the rise, as is the spread of other diseases bc of the change. Dont think the extra Skinny Jean's will do the truck.

I will polish up those flip flops tho just bc .
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I’m no expert when it comes to “climate change” or the sister version “global warming”. Can you lay out a personal course of action I can get started on to help with these “concerns”.

Besides killing myself.
 
JD08 said:
So if climate change is scientifically disproven, you're out of a job, right?
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i suppose that would be true in theory, but most scientists don’t really pay attention to message board guys who think they’re experts because they googled a thing once, so i’m feeling ok about it
 
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TitansHope said:
i suppose that would be true in theory, but most scientists don’t really pay attention to message board guys who think they’re experts because they googled a thing once, so i’m feeling ok about it
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No, but they do pay attention to their paycheck.

But thanks for making an assumption about my position on the subject.
 
***-e-skr said:
I’m no expert when it comes to “climate change” or the sister version “global warming”. Can you lay out a personal course of action I can get started on to help these “concerns”.

Besides killing myself.
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Sure.

Vote for politicians who take it seriously and will address it. Hold them accountable if they do not.

You wanna disagree on gun control. abortion. taxes, immigration, foreign policy, okay cool. I get it. These are matters of perspective and opinion. I get it

But for the life of me I cannot figure out how or why climate change is a partisan/ political issue. It's like making cancer or diabetes political. I dont understand the intent or purpose of denying it.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
No clue on how to address the population control issue. Far more complex of a phenomenon.

But why mention White Americans ? Tf.
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Because it was to connect the (false) logic between using a global issue and focusing the solution on only one sector, country or group. Usually that is done to exert control over that group. With climate change, it's America is not good enough, America needs to do more, while ignoring the lack of effort from other countries. Population control issue I was just using it to connect similar thinking, the only group of people I ever see talking about population control are white Americans, or white Americans being told that not having babies is great for the environment. Who already have low birth rates. I'll be PC for once and say other "cultures" in the world certainly don't practice "population control."

"America is not a leader" is flat out false statement. Name another country that does more in their efforts to combat climate change and environmental issues? Especially when considering everything from our direct actions and results in many categories and how important it is in our social conscience. I'll wait. ( I won't really I'm about done with this)
 
Miami will adapt. It will be expensive, but the city will not just be abandoned. There are many cities in the world below sea level. There will be increasing funding toward engineering solutions.
 
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JD08 said:
No, but they do pay attention to their paycheck.

But thanks for making an assumption about my position on the subject.
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i was more referring to the other guy who has been blessing my posts with interaction than you, lol.

but frankly, most scientists' paychecks actually incentivize denial more than they do actual engagement with the breadth of change required to combat climate change. the institutions we work for are very often invested in the status quo. it's why, for example, the annual IPCC reports, while dire, actually tend to be quite conservative (i'm using the word literally and not politically) in their estimations and policy recommendations.
 
Reasons for "denial":
1. Bad data
2. Conflicting/incorrect predictions
3. Hyperbolic conclusions
4. Politicians who benefit from the solution
5. Hypocritical endorsers of the theory
6. Profit. Pay me to research space warts and i guarantee I can prove their existence and work towards a cure.

That's just off the top of my head. But a person who actually does a little research can see there is climate change and ocean acidification. How much is natural and part of a bigger cycle is up to speculation, but it can't be good to pump chemicals in our atmosphere and poison our oceans. So how about real, incremental solutions instead of endorsing snake oil politicians who claim to have the solution while admitting they're not experts.
 
classiccane12 said:
Because it was to connect the (false) logic between using a global issue and focusing the solution on only one sector, country or group. Usually that is done to exert control over that group. With climate change, it's America is not good enough, America needs to do more, while ignoring the lack of effort from other countries. Population control issue I was just using it to connect similar thinking, the only group of people I ever see talking about population control are white Americans, or white Americans being told that not having babies is great for the environment. Who already have low birth rates. I'll be PC for once and say other "cultures" in the world certainly don't practice "population control."

"America is not a leader" is flat out false statement. Name another country that does more in their efforts to combat climate change and environmental issues? Especially when considering everything from our direct actions and results in many categories and how important it is in our social conscience. I'll wait. ( I won't really I'm about done with this)
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I'll name you 7 right now. UK, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Portugal, France, and Germany.

As far as the first part of your post, America isnt wholly white, so I'm still not sure why you mentioned it instead of just simply saying Americans. Really strange.
 
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Climate change is a way for politicians to get their hands on more of the people’s money. They’ve been crying wolf for 3 decades and nothing has changed. It’s not a coincidence that a socialist came up with the green new deal. If you control the energy sector, you control the economy.
 
TitansHope said:
my background is in political ecology and social-ecological systems. climate change is inextricable from politics, because politics at its core is what determines allocation of resources, natural and otherwise. acting as though the two are separate is magical thinking.

say the word "unsubstantiated" a few more times if it makes you happier, though. you do you.
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I’m dying....”political ecology”

Jesus H Christ

You have yet to refute one thing I posted, in the original post you jumped in, with one single fact.

But keep up with the political slogans, though.

I’ll stick to following the scientific method. It’s what people that understand real science actually do.
 
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