REALIGNMENT MEGGGGAAAA THREAAAD

Has the ACC leadership come out of the brown water and cigar hut to read any tea leaves? Have not heard squat from the ACC besides begging ND to join.

Maybe the FNG running the ACC is an animal and is in his lab making deals and drops Pearl Jam Ten as his first work as commish.

***feel free to insert any album you want***
 
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I said on Friday that the ACC needed to do a strategic partnership with the Big 10 and be aggressive in doing so. Granted we don’t know what happened behind closed doors, maybe the ACC is moving in silence, but that’s an obvious move for them to make.
I would watch ACC, Big 10 and PAC 10 games if they were all playing each other. Would be cool.
Watching the ACC and those two other conferences play conference games is painful. The big 10 is horrendous. The PAC 12 is great when they show the cheerleaders and some of the whackado’s in the stands.
 

I said on Friday that the ACC needed to do a strategic partnership with the Big 10 and be aggressive in doing so. Granted we don’t know what happened behind closed doors, maybe the ACC is moving in silence, but that’s an obvious move for them to make.
OK Pac10, Big 10 and ACC, drop the faaackin’ hammah!!!! SEC and ND, go pound sand.

That would be amazing. Sell the rights to the Zon or some streaming service and pork ESPasshat in the process.
 
1) It actually does the exact opposite... it strengthens the link... and doesn't address at all inflation (that can't be stopped)

2) it actually does the opposite... again...it would further supercharge overt/covert in-kind expenditures of a given program... furthermore it would place even more of a premium on organizational talent capable of designing/ executing most efficient and "purchasing power" resource allocation strategies

3) you are on a roll... again... it does the opposite of encouraging savings.... unless of course this soending cap has a provision of manadatory carve out (by %) to funnel towards a set-aside (rainy day) fund's corpus

Wow. What you're saying is so utterly ridiculous, and absurd, I don't even know where to begin. Smh

Regurgitating conservative talking pts. is not going to help you understand this issue. Nor is reading Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, & Ayn Rand. You can't analyze this issue through the lens of Austrian economics & Libertarianism, because its irrelevant, and doesn't apply here. Unfortunately for you, to understand this issue you actually have to engage in some form or critical thinking.

1.) It appears to me that you are fundamentally confused about the nature & economics of college athletics. College athletic depts. have non-profit organizational structures. This means that unlike in private business or professional sports, there are no stakeholders with incentives to retain excess income for profits or future needs. As a result athletic departments spend basically all of their revenue each year on their mission-focused work. This underscores the pt. that athletic dept. spending rises in direct proportion to revenue, and the benchmark or threshold for competitive investments is always set by the highest revenue earners. Implementing spending controls are necessary, because the increase in revenue disproportionately goes to already wealthy schools. If this trend continues tell me what do you think is going to happen to the programs who are in the 3rd quartile of revenue earners, during the next round of conference media deals? What should they do? Should they lift themselves up from their bootstraps, and just try harder? The problem with this line of thinking, is that most of these athletic programs have already been optimized & are operating at maximum efficiency. There's no other way for them to rearrange their budgets, without putting them at a competitive disadvantage.

2.) I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. The issue is collectively, the disparity in resource allocation between the highest revenue schools & everyone else adds financial risk to the entire system. Spending controls are necessary, so that revenue earners in the 3rd quartile won't have to teeter back & forth between operational & insolvent, in order to keep pace with high earners. The highest revenue earners are not relying on in-kind expenditures/contributions to achieve their spending advantage. Instead they're exploiting a system that lacks a regulatory framework to gain their advantage.

3.) In addition to the non-profit organizational structure, the tendency to prioritize spending over saving is reinforced by the zero-sum nature of competition in college athletics. Currently less than 50% of P5, and less than 25% of G5 programs have any type of reserve fund. This makes athletic programs less resilient towards financial setbacks. This pt. was made crystal clear to you last yr during the pandemic. I think you should go back and research how many P5 programs were forced to make layoffs, furloughs, and budget cuts. Programs like Stanford, Iowa, & Minnesota respectively. These programs were already under distress prior to last yr. The pandemic only amplified & exacerbated the issues. If the programs aren't forced to spend close to 100% of their revenue each yr, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect them to save more?

Hoping for parity, competitive balance & sustainability in college athletics is not a utopian vision. It's a normalized vision. Kind of like what we see in professional sports & the NFL. Would anyone ever accuse Jerry Jones of being a Socialist? Or is he a staunch Capitalist? Tell me. In the end this is about financial sustainability, and competitive self-interest. That's what you're not understanding. It's not about ideology & propaganda
 
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I said on Friday that the ACC needed to do a strategic partnership with the Big 10 and be aggressive in doing so. Granted we don’t know what happened behind closed doors, maybe the ACC is moving in silence, but that’s an obvious move for them to make.
New ACC commissioner Jim Phillips was our AD at Northwestern and doubtless has familiarity w the Big 10 leadership. Could be working on something.
 
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New ACC commissioner Jim Phillips was our AD at Northwestern and doubtless has familiarity w the Big 10 leadership. Could be working on something.
I've reiterated that I'm not concerned about Miami being left out in the cold but you raise a solid point that might raise overall optimism. Phillips has a very solid reputation and more importantly he has zero ties to the Carolinas and even more importantly than that is his name ain't John Swofford. Swofford would be huddling with Krzyzewski right now and trying to channel Dean Smith to ask for advice.
 
I'm in favor of a 4 conference 16 team reallignment, but wouldn't really be opposed to a 3 conference 20-22 team super conference I guess:

PAC - ADD Boise St, BYU, and whichever B12 schools they feel like - definitely at least 2 Texas schools though. Basically other than Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas, the PAC gets their pick out of B12, and the leftovers basically get demoted. Adding a few schools like Boise St, BYU, and maybe like Nevada make sense. B12 dies.

BIG - ADD Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UVA, and Pitt. - This would be pretty major for Basketball. Would easily make them THE Basketball conference. If VTech gets AAU entry like they probably should, they can be in the BIG, of not the SEC makes sense.

SEC - ADD Texas, OU, Clemson, FSU, Miami, and GTech. - WVU could be added too. GTech and VTech can make sense in either the BIG or the SEC tbh. Louisville, NCSt, Syracuse, Wake are out of luck from the ACC. Cuse can make an agreement with the BIG to join for basketball or something... ACC dies.
 
I'm in favor of a 4 conference 16 team reallignment, but wouldn't really be opposed to a 3 conference 20-22 team super conference I guess:

PAC - ADD Boise St, BYU, and whichever B12 schools they feel like - definitely at least 2 Texas schools though. Basically other than Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas, the PAC gets their pick out of B12, and the leftovers basically get demoted. Adding a few schools like Boise St, BYU, and maybe like Nevada make sense. B12 dies.

BIG - ADD Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UVA, and Pitt. - This would be pretty major for Basketball. Would easily make them THE Basketball conference. If VTech gets AAU entry like they probably should, they can be in the BIG, of not the SEC makes sense.

SEC - ADD Texas, OU, Clemson, FSU, Miami, and GTech. - WVU could be added too. GTech and VTech can make sense in either the BIG or the SEC tbh. Louisville, NCSt, Syracuse, Wake are out of luck from the ACC. Cuse can make an agreement with the BIG to join for basketball or something... ACC dies.
I'd favor 4 too but unless the unlikely happens and Texas and Oklahoma are really the only major moves then I actually think we end up with 3 like you mentioned (I'd personally configure those 3 differently but your hypothetical is respectable). With the SEC being a spaz I don't think you can do 4 conferences now and hope for any semblance of parity and only having 2 conferences is too cumbersome if you want to keep 60+ schools involved.
 
I'd favor 4 too but unless the unlikely happens and Texas and Oklahoma are really the only major moves then I actually think we end up with 3 like you mentioned (I'd personally configure those 3 differently but your hypothetical is respectable). With the SEC being a spaz I don't think you can do 4 conferences now and hope for any semblance of parity and only having 2 conferences is too cumbersome if you want to keep 60+ schools involved.
What would you change?

I mean unless there are going to be a lot of kicking teams out of the BIG, PAC, SEC, I don't see how much things could change really. It's pretty easy to see who the BIG would be interested in because they 1) Want AAU schools and 2) Actually care about Basketball. I feel confident Kansas is about to join the BIG when the B12 dies soon. Obviously ND is the biggest fish next, and in a superconference scenario where the ACC is gone, they'd obviously join the BIG imo. Honestly UNC, GTech, Miami, and VTech seem like the only 3 schools that could join either the SEC or BIG. But Miami and VTech aren't currently AAU members though both could realistically gain membership in the not too distant future (especially VTech).

Like the SEC could easily kick Mizzou, Vanderbilt, and like South Carolina out if they were trying to do that. And GTech left the SEC specifically for academic reasons, so might not want to go back...
 
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@Empirical Cane I like your analogy of $EC being Germany, circa 1939 (sans the other ‘N’ word).

Notre Dame is Switzerland.

Do the other conferences ally and conspire to isolate the $EC? Not scheduling any $EC team? Bolt from any bowl with a tie-in to the $EC? Reject any CFP expansion likely to add more $EC team to the pool 12 or 16? Notre Dame is Switzerland.

Or, do they come to a “Piece in our time” agreement, ‘piece’ being a smaller share of the pie, only to have the agreement broken later?

The other devil here is ESPN. Who could be their rival? FOX? They are losing OU and UT. Maybe have Jeff Bezos/Amazon join the fun. Amazon is venturing to sports streaming with NFL Thursday nights. More to come?

The Germany 1939 reference was mine, so I'll give you my take on your questions. Key thing is to create a credible alternative to the ncaa with rules that enhance competitiveness like allowing fewer scholarships (maybe limited to 60 or so). Then isolate and discredit the legitimacy of the SEC. Push the narrative that the SEC is corrupt and in bed with the NCAA, whereas the new association is focused on the student athlete and ensuring a level playing field. Teams in the new collegiate association will agree not the schedule SEC teams and they will have their own playoff system and crown a overall champ. I guarantee that you will have a different champ almost every year, so fan interest will skyrocket and tv ratings will go through the roof.

Notre Dame has to **** or get off the pot. It's either with the superconference or with the SEC, and I don't think there is a chance in **** they will side with the Fourth Reich. No one outside the south will give a **** about the SEC and seeing the same 15 or 16 teams playing each other over and over again.

You cannot make peace with the SEC. Every other conference will have to be always on guard that the SEC will continuously try to poach the best teams and build a 20-30 team superconference of only the schools with the deepest pockets. Schools like Washington, Wisconsin, Utah, or Iowa State will have absolutely no chance of even getting considered for a playoff spot. At that point there will be no going back and the CFB playoffs will basically consist of all SEC teams and maybe 1 token team from outside the SEC. What the SEC is trying to do should be obvious to anyone by now.
 
You hear that noise?

So do I.

It’s the the low hum, and nothing else, coming from the NCAA. Not a word.

You know what Emmert said two weeks ago, right before all this broke.

”Emmert told reporters the NCAA's mission ought to be reconsidered and reduced. Without promoting the specifics of a new model for the organization, he conceded that the governance of college sports is at a crossroads and should perhaps become more decentralized with more power shifting to schools, conferences and individual sports.’

So now that his former conference, the SEC which he guided to power, is in this position, he thinks that the power should shift to the conferences. Mission accomplished, I guess.
 
You hear that noise?

So do I.

It’s the the low hum, and nothing else, coming from the NCAA. Not a word.

You know what Emmert said two weeks ago, right before all this broke.

”Emmert told reporters the NCAA's mission ought to be reconsidered and reduced. Without promoting the specifics of a new model for the organization, he conceded that the governance of college sports is at a crossroads and should perhaps become more decentralized with more power shifting to schools, conferences and individual sports.’

So now that his former conference, the SEC which he guided to power, is in this position, he thinks that the power should shift to the conferences. Mission accomplished, I guess.

Bound to happen.

The humm of people saying Miami is dead blah blah is equally bound to happen.

I also find it funny how much media coverage we get if we even hint at becoming relevant and still maintain a huge NFL footprint.

Add ND and WVU and move on ACC.
 
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Wow. What you're saying is so utterly ridiculous, and absurd, I don't even know where to begin. Smh

Regurgitating conservative talking pts. is not going to help you understand this issue. Nor is reading Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, & Ayn Rand. You can't analyze this issue through the lens of Austrian economics & Libertarianism, because its irrelevant, and doesn't apply here. Unfortunately for you, to understand this issue you actually have to engage in some form or critical thinking.

1.) It appears to me that you are fundamentally confused about the nature & economics of college athletics. College athletic depts. have non-profit organizational structures. This means that unlike in private business or professional sports, there are no stakeholders with incentives to retain excess income for profits or future needs. As a result athletic departments spend basically all of their revenue each year on their mission-focused work. This underscores the pt. that athletic dept. spending rises in direct proportion to revenue, and the benchmark or threshold for competitive investments is always set by the highest revenue earners. Implementing spending controls are necessary, because the increase in revenue disproportionately goes to already wealthy schools. If this trend continues tell me what do you think is going to happen to the programs who are in the 3rd quartile of revenue earners, during the next round of conference media deals? What should they do? Should they lift themselves up from their bootstraps, and just try harder? The problem with this line of thinking, is that most of these athletic programs have already been optimized & are operating at maximum efficiency. There's no other way for them to rearrange their budgets, without putting them at a competitive disadvantage.

2.) I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. The issue is collectively, the disparity in resource allocation between the highest revenue schools & everyone else adds financial risk to the entire system. Spending controls are necessary, so that revenue earners in the 3rd quartile won't have to teeter back & forth between operational & insolvent, in order to keep pace with high earners. The highest revenue earners are not relying on in-kind expenditures/contributions to achieve their spending advantage. Instead they're exploiting a system that lacks a regulatory framework to gain their advantage.

3.) In addition to the non-profit organizational structure, the tendency to prioritize spending over saving is reinforced by the zero-sum nature of competition in college athletics. Currently less than 50% of P5, and less than 25% of G5 programs have any type of reserve fund. This makes athletic programs less resilient towards financial setbacks. This pt. was made crystal clear to you last yr during the pandemic. I think you should go back and research how many P5 programs were forced to make layoffs, furloughs, and budget cuts. Programs like Stanford, Iowa, & Minnesota respectively. These programs were already under distress prior to last yr. The pandemic only amplified & exacerbated the issues. If the programs aren't forced to spend close to 100% of their revenue each yr, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect them to save more?

Hoping for parity, competitive balance & sustainability in college athletics is not a utopian vision. It's a normalized vision. Kind of like what we see in professional sports & the NFL. Would anyone ever accuse Jerry Jones of being a Socialist? Or is he a staunch Capitalist? Tell me. In the end this is about financial sustainability, and competitive self-interest. That's what you're not understanding. It's not about ideology & propaganda
Despite the word salad and your performative attempt of the economics lesson, and AGAIN you forgot to add intersectional and patriarchial, you still don't address any of the original points you made and what I discussed in response. Your observations are just not of this Earth and counter to any naturally regulating system in the Universe. Don't get all fired up at me, it's just math.


With that said, let's try this (and I'm glad you mentioned J Jones): Why don't the NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL have 50-100-200 teams in each league? Why, even at their organizational sizes now and program "controls" you advocate for, do the WNBA and NWSL struggle for solvency year after year? If not mistaken, the WNBA in particular has never ever posted a single "profitable" or "breakeven" year (that means sustainable) since first tip-off in what, early 90s (late 90s??) and has required constant additional support from ownership and NBA for going on 25-ish years?

Either there are far to many WNBA teams or even a resonable market doesn't exist for the product they are selling. Kinda a binary solution set here.

It will be the same for what D1P5 is evolving towards. DII/DIII programs already have the "controls" (and others) you advocate for and they are a subsidized mess.

Again, the math, one way another, at some point, always finds a way to get back to balance.

I'm happy to discuss any real-world example of economic system that is viable as you put forth above. HINT: NFL and other sports leagues don't even operate as you suggest above, but bring the argument.

Good stuff and appreciate the discussion.
 
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You hear that noise?

So do I.

It’s the the low hum, and nothing else, coming from the NCAA. Not a word.

You know what Emmert said two weeks ago, right before all this broke.

”Emmert told reporters the NCAA's mission ought to be reconsidered and reduced. Without promoting the specifics of a new model for the organization, he conceded that the governance of college sports is at a crossroads and should perhaps become more decentralized with more power shifting to schools, conferences and individual sports.’

So now that his former conference, the SEC which he guided to power, is in this position, he thinks that the power should shift to the conferences. Mission accomplished, I guess.
👆VERY telling observation.
 
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I think ESPN doesnt want any of the big 12 teams going to Fox sports conference (pac12/big10). ESPN wants all those schools in the ACC or AAC so they controll the inventory.
 
Well I was wrong about the Big 12 Being done. A frat brother of mine is a big-time attorney out in Dallas and apparently The Big 12 it’s fully prepared to wait this out and collect every dime possible from OU and TX regarding the buyout and other fees.
In other words they’re lawyering up for the endgame.

I also just found out that each team gets about $18M for making the playoffs.
This is a major factor regarding the new SEC shadiness and the ESPN inspired 12 team playoff model.

They are also exploring the idea of taking the major market teams from the AAC and creating there own super conference.
If they take UCF or USF, Miami should do everything possible to get out of the ACC.

I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Bezos or Musk get involved with Big 12 deal. I told y’all UM should dip to AAC 2 years ago.
 
My understanding is that the Big12 basically has ESPN by the balls right now. They have evidence that ESPN is in breach of contract not only because of what they have been doing post the breaking of this UT/OU move, but also that ESPN was actively involved in brokering the UT/OU move. We'll be hearing about a formal suit being filed against ESPN very soon, and the discovery process is not going to be pretty for ESPN, the SEC, UT or OU. ESPN is in line to have to pay major damages to the Big12, which could significantly hinder ESPN's ability to continue as a going concern.
 
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