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QB disaster in a nutshell

paksat said:
if that one poster saying that TVD was out late poppin shots till 3am are true, there's your culture at work.

dude is probably so far up his self at this point with the wallet and bmw 7 series, all of which he clearly isn't ready for. Who knew giving 18 years 6 digits worth of $$$ in terms of resources could end up going wrong. College football is doomed boys
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Think about this. Ponce and Mirobal were hired before Gattis. He brought no one from Michigan or Bama with him here. Mario basically said here is your qb coach/passing game coordinator and oline coach. So I’m thinking who has more influence over this offense the OC or the head coach? Whose route concepts are we running? Whose blocking scheme are we running? To me sounds like Gattis should not have taken the job if he was told who who coordinators would be. And was that maybe a reason it took so long for Mario to find an OC?
 
cway313 said:
Ponce is the QB coach at Miami. His entire job is to work with QBs at Miami. Cribby will have you believe the regression is due to poor spacing and players not being wide open. I on the other see a group effort.
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I just wish we had a coach that could scheme players wide open, instead of relying on every **** thing being perfect to work.
 
ThomasM said:
I just wish we had a coach that could scheme players wide open, instead of relying on every **** thing being perfect to work.
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Group effort to **** this up.
 
RedSquare said:
I’m trying to figure out how two of the worst throws/decisions you will ever seen from supposedly a top tier college Qb happened not only in the same game, but were committed by two different guys. Case in point:

On the TVD pick on his first throw of the game, he tries to get the ball literally through the db rolling up to play the curl to flat, with the pattern into the boundary making it clear that there is no throw. There is nothing in the route concept as run which would make you want to deliver that throw. Nothing. Nada. It’s actually a pretty simple route concept that you’re going to see as soon as you start playing organized football. That it would have confused a college Qb into an error shouldn’t be feasible in this universe.

And not to be outdone, what makes even less sense, (if possible):

Garcia not reading the cat blitz off the boundary that could have got him killed. I’ve worked with kids who were JV in high school that already know that. Missing that is the QB equivalent of not knowing you need to unzip your fly before you take a leak.

I’m struggling to understand how those plays could have happened, and not only that, with two different guys in the same game. because from a QB coach perspective, that defies logic and probability
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Ever wonder why a professional baseball player who has spent decades hitting pitches from the best pitchers in the world, will strike out when he gets a pitch that is only 8 mph SLOWER than the pitch he was expecting?

The reason is timing. Whether a pitch is 98 mph or 90 mph, a batter still only has milliseconds to make the decision to swing. He needs to have precise timing either way. Swing a millisecond early and it's a foul ball or a strike. For QBs it's the same way. They only have milliseconds to find a receiver and decide whether to throw it or not. If the WRs aren't exactly where they are supposed to be (either because they ran a sloppy route or the play is taking too long to develop) , it's like a batter getting an off speed pitch. The QB has to slow down his delivery and often times its means his mechanics look horrible and he's bouncing passes to receivers.
 
paksat said:
if that one poster saying that TVD was out late poppin shots till 3am are true, there's your culture at work.

dude is probably so far up his self at this point with the wallet and bmw 7 series, all of which he clearly isn't ready for. Who knew giving 18 years 6 digits worth of $$$ in terms of resources could end up going wrong. College football is doomed boys
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Are you kidding me? Do you SERIOUSly believe that is who TVD is? Come on…
 
cway313 said:
Ponce is the QB coach at Miami. His entire job is to work with QBs at Miami. Cribby will have you believe the regression is due to poor spacing and players not being wide open. I on the other see a group effort.
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I’ e wondered this myself. Especially since some of his “mechanics” are suddenly an issue. Never heard that before…
 
paksat said:
if that one poster saying that TVD was out late poppin shots till 3am are true, there's your culture at work.

dude is probably so far up his self at this point with the wallet and bmw 7 series, all of which he clearly isn't ready for. Who knew giving 18 years 6 digits worth of $$$ in terms of resources could end up going wrong. College football is doomed boys
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Without any specific knowledge, I'm willing to call absolute bull**** on that supposed story. No one is out breaking curfew at a bar the night before a game.
 
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SFbayCane said:
Without any specific knowledge, I'm willing to call absolute bull**** on that supposed story. No one is out breaking curfew at a bar the night before a game.
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the entire team did at the 93 sugar bowl? What is this porst m8?
 
PIPO said:
Link, please to the post
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I read it some where in here earlier, i'm not digging that **** up. No idea if it's true or not, just some poster saying there was rumors he was out somewhere doing that.
 
paksat said:
I read it some where in here earlier, i'm not digging that **** up. No idea if it's true or not, just some poster saying there was rumors he was out somewhere doing that.
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I don’t know how it works but I thought the team stays at a hotel night before the game and there are curfews and room checks to avoid this specific situation but I don’t know if that’s the case.
 
PIPO said:
I don’t know how it works but I thought the team stays at a hotel night before the game and there are curfews and room checks to avoid this specific situation but I don’t know if that’s the case.
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maybe so, guy could be lying but I don't see the point of it. He sure didn't gain nothing by lying about it on a message board full of random people he'll never meet in his life.
 
paksat said:
maybe so, guy could be lying but I don't see the point of it. He sure didn't gain nothing by lying about it on a message board full of random people he'll never meet in his life.
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Yeah. Not saying he’s lying as it would be really disappointing if that went down, the same way stuff went down with Jarren Williams when he was here (FIU Game).
 
caneworld said:
The commentators mentioned one aspect of the offensive system that could have contributed to the QB - receiver issues..... they mentioned that the system did not allow for recievers to break off routes in case the QB pocket collapsed.
I am not sure if it is true.. maybe somebody with better knowledge of the system can comment
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I have a hard time believing that. There isn’t a single coach even at high school level not teaching their WRs to break off to help the QB.
 
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SFbayCane said:
Without any specific knowledge, I'm willing to call absolute bull**** on that supposed story. No one is out breaking curfew at a bar the night before a game.
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This is sarcasm right? Never went to the U, right?
 
I was at the game yesterday. Here's some things I saw regarding the QB issue.

* TVD locks onto one receiver quite often. Several of his completions to Frank Ladson were examples of it. He locked onto Ladson from the snap and waited til he had a window to get the ball to him.

* Receivers give up on their routes way too often. Interestingly, they did it less when Garcia was on the field. TVD always looking for Restrepo might have been a factor here.

Garcia, aside from throwing better balls seemed to have a better command of the offense. He spread the ball around better, found 2nd and 3rd receivers in the pattern and actually had the team in a position to make a comeback.
 
RedSquare said:
I’m trying to figure out how two of the worst throws/decisions you will ever seen from supposedly a top tier college Qb happened not only in the same game, but were committed by two different guys. Case in point:

On the TVD pick on his first throw of the game, he tries to get the ball literally through the db rolling up to play the curl to flat, with the pattern into the boundary making it clear that there is no throw. There is nothing in the route concept as run which would make you want to deliver that throw. Nothing. Nada. It’s actually a pretty simple route concept that you’re going to see as soon as you start playing organized football. That it would have confused a college Qb into an error shouldn’t be feasible in this universe.

And not to be outdone, what makes even less sense, (if possible):

Garcia not reading the cat blitz off the boundary that could have got him killed. I’ve worked with kids who were JV in high school that already know that. Missing that is the QB equivalent of not knowing you need to unzip your fly before you take a leak.

I’m struggling to understand how those plays could have happened, and not only that, with two different guys in the same game. because from a QB coach perspective, that defies logic and probability
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