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Hegemon said:
Honestly I based my day around the traffic on US1 on normal days.

I would seriously consider canceling my season tickets if they built a stadium on campus.

Not worth the hassle lol.
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It’s just literally impossible. There is no way the traffic volume could be sustained if something like that happened. Just no way - that’s why I know it will never happen.

Can you imagine, a 40,000 seat stadium on campus or somewhere in or near Coral Gables, that’s near campus? In terms of traffic, you’d be talking three hour backups and I’m not exaggerating. That’s one of several reasons why it’s not happening.
 
Hegemon said:
Honestly I based my day around the traffic on US1 on normal days.

I would seriously consider canceling my season tickets if they built a stadium on campus.

Not worth the hassle lol.
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In short...

The "on-campus stadium" is a misnomer. While I would love it (go back to George Merrick's original plan), I am more concerned with the land being either owned or controlled by UM. Thus, "expanding" our campus.

I have made past arguments for locations in South Miami, Tropical Park, the old dog track area, and the old Orange Bowl area. None of them are perfect and all of them face significant hurdles. But what they have IN COMMON is relative proximity to UM that could open up an expansion of the campus. Or a "satellite" campus.

UF will be building space in Jacksonville. UCF will be buildng space in downtown Orlando. F$U just bought the local hospital system to copycat off of Miami's success.

I alternate between being "serious" about the subject and making sarcastic jokes to hide 40-year-old scars from all the times I have generated "good ideas for UM" which were ignored (mostly in my Student Government days, but I still have some good ones).

As much as I hate and mock F$U, they found a good way to camouflage Joke Campbell Stadium: turning it into a multi-use building (and bathroom). It's not a terrible idea. Also, my office currently looks out at The Battery and the Braves' stadium. So I'm a fan of multi-use, I'm a fan of multi-tasking.

Yes, the old days of "just build a single-purpose stadium for the team, dammit, or I'll move to another city" are over. But I do believe there are multiple locations that IF WE FOUND A WILLING MUNICIPALITY who would harness the power of emininent domain and the ability to issue bonds to finance the project...could COULD result in a new campus annex or satellite campus that INCLUDES a stadium.

You have to think big, or nothing will happen.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
It’s just literally impossible. There is no way the traffic volume could be sustained if something like that happened. Just no way - that’s why I know it will never happen.

Can you imagine, a 40,000 seat stadium on campus or somewhere in or near Coral Gables, that’s near campus? In terms of traffic, you’d be talking three hour backups and I’m not exaggerating. That’s one of several reasons why it’s not happening.
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I'm not arguing. However, I do think that this issue gets analyzed in "traditional" terms.

What I mean is that NO, we will not have 40,000 people all converging on UM in cars, all expecting to tailgate. I would imagine EVEN IF we built an on-campus stadium (which is incredibly unlikely), there will be ample opportunities to have people arrive (a) via Metro, (b) via Coral Gables shuttles, and (c) via ride-share. I'm not saying that cuts the "car arrivals" from 40,000 to 20,000, but it becomes much more manageable AND it's almost always on a Saturday.

Take a look at the City of Coral Gables website sometime. They now BRAG about how many people commute INTO Coral Gables from Monday through Friday. And let's not forget, almost all of those roads were PLANNED (capacity and width-wise) 100 years ago, and haven't really expanded since then. So if Coral Gables is PROUD of how many people they can jam into the City Beautiful from Monday through Friday, I'd be willing to bet that they wouldn't mind doing it for 6 additional Saturdays.

Again, IF IF IF there was an on-campus stadium (highly unlikely), I have direct experience with a certain facility in Daytona Beach that used to handle upwards of 200,000 raceday attendees, when there is only one main road in (admittedly, a very wide road) and proximity to an interstate a couple of miles away. Which is not completely different from UM's proximity to the Palmetto and I-95. Just sayin'...

You just have to hire a bunch of cops to direct traffic.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
In short...

The "on-campus stadium" is a misnomer. While I would love it (go back to George Merrick's original plan), I am more concerned with the land being either owned or controlled by UM. Thus, "expanding" our campus.

I have made past arguments for locations in South Miami, Tropical Park, the old dog track area, and the old Orange Bowl area. None of them are perfect and all of them face significant hurdles. But what they have IN COMMON is relative proximity to UM that could open up an expansion of the campus. Or a "satellite" campus.

UF will be building space in Jacksonville. UCF will be buildng space in downtown Orlando. F$U just bought the local hospital system to copycat off of Miami's success.

I alternate between being "serious" about the subject and making sarcastic jokes to hide 40-year-old scars from all the times I have generated "good ideas for UM" which were ignored (mostly in my Student Government days, but I still have some good ones).

As much as I hate and mock F$U, they found a good way to camouflage Joke Campbell Stadium: turning it into a multi-use building (and bathroom). It's not a terrible idea. Also, my office currently looks out at The Battery and the Braves' stadium. So I'm a fan of multi-use, I'm a fan of multi-tasking.

Yes, the old days of "just build a single-purpose stadium for the team, dammit, or I'll move to another city" are over. But I do believe there are multiple locations that IF WE FOUND A WILLING MUNICIPALITY who would harness the power of emininent domain and the ability to issue bonds to finance the project...could COULD result in a new campus annex or satellite campus that INCLUDES a stadium.

You have to think big, or nothing will happen.
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Im all for options but US1 at the main campus? Hard pass lol

Just brutal congestion. Might as well shut down Coral Gables.
 
Hegemon said:
Im all for options but US1 at the main campus? Hard pass lol

Just brutal congestion. Might as well shut down Coral Gables.
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There's no way they'd alienate all the people coming from the north. They're willing to let the public see a half empty stadium to accommodate the Golden Canes sitting in the club instead of their seats, so unless they're getting a huge donation to move, they'll stay right where they're at.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Could be a mix of both, though.

The shopping center directly across from the Metro Station is going to become a large chunk of (privately-owned) housing. I believe that there is now a second ****** student organization called Chabad which has acquired property behind Thesis Hotel (where Miami Hurricanes Team Store is located. as well as some Hurricane Club office space). And let's not forget that tower on the other side of UM, between the (old) University Center and Thesis, which used to house the National Hurricane Center before Hurricane Andrew knocked the big ball off the roof and it started rolling down US 1.

Whether it be through private acquisition or UM itself, I believe that there will be ongoing acquisition of non-residential space on the opposite side of US 1, as well as the acquisition of residential and light-commercial space to the west of San Amaro, perhaps extending into South Miami.

And I believe that as all of these things happen, the enrollment WILL increase. That may not happen at once ("5,000 more students next year!") but I do believe that certain programs will be allowed to admit more students over time, as we add more housing capacity and buildings. I could see the law school bringing back Section D (the evening program) and the Business School increasing both undergrad and MBA enrollment. Not all at once. But those programs make money and produce alums that TEND to make donations. Engineering COULD get bigger if we can continue to target foreign enrollment. I don't know if Communications has the same demand in the modern age, and I guess that Arts & Sciences could always get bigger. I don't think Music or Architecture can get any bigger, and I have always questioned Nursing and Education, given UM's cost and the relatively low starting salaries.

Time to start a dental program like FSU is doing?
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FSU is starting the dental program due to fan demand ... meth heads tend to lose teeth at an alarming rate.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
In short...

The "on-campus stadium" is a misnomer. While I would love it (go back to George Merrick's original plan), I am more concerned with the land being either owned or controlled by UM. Thus, "expanding" our campus.

I have made past arguments for locations in South Miami, Tropical Park, the old dog track area, and the old Orange Bowl area. None of them are perfect and all of them face significant hurdles. But what they have IN COMMON is relative proximity to UM that could open up an expansion of the campus. Or a "satellite" campus.

UF will be building space in Jacksonville. UCF will be buildng space in downtown Orlando. F$U just bought the local hospital system to copycat off of Miami's success.

I alternate between being "serious" about the subject and making sarcastic jokes to hide 40-year-old scars from all the times I have generated "good ideas for UM" which were ignored (mostly in my Student Government days, but I still have some good ones).

As much as I hate and mock F$U, they found a good way to camouflage Joke Campbell Stadium: turning it into a multi-use building (and bathroom). It's not a terrible idea. Also, my office currently looks out at The Battery and the Braves' stadium. So I'm a fan of multi-use, I'm a fan of multi-tasking.

Yes, the old days of "just build a single-purpose stadium for the team, dammit, or I'll move to another city" are over. But I do believe there are multiple locations that IF WE FOUND A WILLING MUNICIPALITY who would harness the power of emininent domain and the ability to issue bonds to finance the project...could COULD result in a new campus annex or satellite campus that INCLUDES a stadium.

You have to think big, or nothing will happen.
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UM satellite campus, along with the new nursing school, AI research facility, and mens golf team, located in Boca Raton.
 
Fart Keyhole said:
My top priority is ensuring Titanic lives on.
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TheOriginalCane said:
In short...

The "on-campus stadium" is a misnomer. While I would love it (go back to George Merrick's original plan), I am more concerned with the land being either owned or controlled by UM. Thus, "expanding" our campus.

I have made past arguments for locations in South Miami, Tropical Park, the old dog track area, and the old Orange Bowl area. None of them are perfect and all of them face significant hurdles. But what they have IN COMMON is relative proximity to UM that could open up an expansion of the campus. Or a "satellite" campus.

UF will be building space in Jacksonville. UCF will be buildng space in downtown Orlando. F$U just bought the local hospital system to copycat off of Miami's success.

I alternate between being "serious" about the subject and making sarcastic jokes to hide 40-year-old scars from all the times I have generated "good ideas for UM" which were ignored (mostly in my Student Government days, but I still have some good ones).

As much as I hate and mock F$U, they found a good way to camouflage Joke Campbell Stadium: turning it into a multi-use building (and bathroom). It's not a terrible idea. Also, my office currently looks out at The Battery and the Braves' stadium. So I'm a fan of multi-use, I'm a fan of multi-tasking.

Yes, the old days of "just build a single-purpose stadium for the team, dammit, or I'll move to another city" are over. But I do believe there are multiple locations that IF WE FOUND A WILLING MUNICIPALITY who would harness the power of emininent domain and the ability to issue bonds to finance the project...could COULD result in a new campus annex or satellite campus that INCLUDES a stadium.

You have to think big, or nothing will happen.
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Eminent Domain Coral Gables + Kendal.

Easy.

Then extend I-95 all the way to Hecht.
 
Rickd said:
FSU is starting the dental program due to fan demand ... meth heads tend to lose teeth at an alarming rate.
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We should all be happy the toothbrush was created in Tallahassee because if it was created anywhere else it would be called the teethbrush
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Hegemon said:
Honestly I based my day around the traffic on US1 on normal days.

I would seriously consider canceling my season tickets if they built a stadium on campus.

Not worth the hassle lol.
Click to expand...


In short...

The "on-campus stadium" is a misnomer. While I would love it (go back to George Merrick's original plan), I am more concerned with the land being either owned or controlled by UM. Thus, "expanding" our campus.

I have made past arguments for locations in South Miami, Tropical Park, the old dog track area, and the old Orange Bowl area. None of them are perfect and all of them face significant hurdles. But what they have IN COMMON is relative proximity to UM that could open up an expansion of the campus. Or a "satellite" campus.

UF will be building space in Jacksonville. UCF will be buildng space in downtown Orlando. F$U just bought the local hospital system to copycat off of Miami's success.

I alternate between being "serious" about the subject and making sarcastic jokes to hide 40-year-old scars from all the times I have generated "good ideas for UM" which were ignored (mostly in my Student Government days, but I still have some good ones).

As much as I hate and mock F$U, they found a good way to camouflage Joke Campbell Stadium: turning it into a multi-use building (and bathroom). It's not a terrible idea. Also, my office currently looks out at The Battery and the Braves' stadium. So I'm a fan of multi-use, I'm a fan of multi-tasking.

Yes, the old days of "just build a single-purpose stadium for the team, dammit, or I'll move to another city" are over. But I do believe there are multiple locations that IF WE FOUND A WILLING MUNICIPALITY who would harness the power of emininent domain and the ability to issue bonds to finance the project...could COULD result in a new campus annex or satellite campus that INCLUDES a stadium.

You have to think big, or nothing will happen.
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Notre Dame did what you mention in its 2014 stadium expansion. The additions house a few academic units, a student center, and a lot of revenue producing areas (event spaces that also double as premium seating or experiences for games). It’s a smart idea.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Could be a mix of both, though.

The shopping center directly across from the Metro Station is going to become a large chunk of (privately-owned) housing. I believe that there is now a second ****** student organization called Chabad which has acquired property behind Thesis Hotel (where Miami Hurricanes Team Store is located. as well as some Hurricane Club office space). And let's not forget that tower on the other side of UM, between the (old) University Center and Thesis, which used to house the National Hurricane Center before Hurricane Andrew knocked the big ball off the roof and it started rolling down US 1.

Whether it be through private acquisition or UM itself, I believe that there will be ongoing acquisition of non-residential space on the opposite side of US 1, as well as the acquisition of residential and light-commercial space to the west of San Amaro, perhaps extending into South Miami.

And I believe that as all of these things happen, the enrollment WILL increase. That may not happen at once ("5,000 more students next year!") but I do believe that certain programs will be allowed to admit more students over time, as we add more housing capacity and buildings. I could see the law school bringing back Section D (the evening program) and the Business School increasing both undergrad and MBA enrollment. Not all at once. But those programs make money and produce alums that TEND to make donations. Engineering COULD get bigger if we can continue to target foreign enrollment. I don't know if Communications has the same demand in the modern age, and I guess that Arts & Sciences could always get bigger. I don't think Music or Architecture can get any bigger, and I have always questioned Nursing and Education, given UM's cost and the relatively low starting salaries.

Time to start a dental program like FSU is doing?
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Remember this is exclusively touching on undergraduate enrollment, grad enrollment is not touched by the original development plan or this revision. The law programs etc. you mention could happen already regardless of this (MBA enrollment has been sharply reduced intentionally and I don't see that changing anytime soon, but that's another topic).

That in mind, UG enrollment may be intentionally increased but it would be extremely gradual and over a loooong time period. And even so, we're realistically talking more in the hundreds not thousands. The B-school, for instance, has already had a significant increase in enrollment over the last 5-10 years and is already bursting at the seams in every way imaginable. Before there could be any further dramatic increase in UG enrollment at Miami Herbert there would need to be, just for starters, a new building constructed that at minimum doubles the classroom and office space inventory and 100+ new teaching faculty hired.
 
Wake_Cane said:
Remember this is exclusively touching on undergraduate enrollment, grad enrollment is not touched by the original development plan or this revision. The law programs etc. you mention could happen already regardless of this (MBA enrollment has been sharply reduced intentionally and I don't see that changing anytime soon, but that's another topic).

That in mind, UG enrollment may be intentionally increased but it would be extremely gradual and over a loooong time period. And even so, we're realistically talking more in the hundreds not thousands. The B-school, for instance, has already had a significant increase in enrollment over the last 5-10 years and is already bursting at the seams in every way imaginable. Before there could be any further dramatic increase in UG enrollment at Miami Herbert there would need to be, just for starters, a new building constructed that at minimum doubles the classroom and office space inventory and 100+ new teaching faculty hired.
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Critical Strategic Question:

Does UM need to increase enrollment?

I would say yes, and yesterday. I believe Miami is going to regret in the next 20 years not aggressively expanding a campus presence in Palm Beach and other parts of Florida. I would offer Miami the University should/needs to follow the Miami the UHealth System expansion model.
 
Wake_Cane said:
Remember this is exclusively touching on undergraduate enrollment, grad enrollment is not touched by the original development plan or this revision. The law programs etc. you mention could happen already regardless of this (MBA enrollment has been sharply reduced intentionally and I don't see that changing anytime soon, but that's another topic).

That in mind, UG enrollment may be intentionally increased but it would be extremely gradual and over a loooong time period. And even so, we're realistically talking more in the hundreds not thousands. The B-school, for instance, has already had a significant increase in enrollment over the last 5-10 years and is already bursting at the seams in every way imaginable. Before there could be any further dramatic increase in UG enrollment at Miami Herbert there would need to be, just for starters, a new building constructed that at minimum doubles the classroom and office space inventory and 100+ new teaching faculty hired.
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Good points. I was including the law school because of its stand-alone location on the campus. I went to UM Law while "L.A. Law" was still on the air and causing a boom in law school applications.

I didn't know about the reduction in MBA enrollment...do you think this will change with the..."donation"...and its intent...that you and I have discussed previously?

As for the additional faculty needed at the B-School, you have my number...
 
Empirical Cane said:
Critical Strategic Question:

Does UM need to increase enrollment?

I would say yes, and yesterday. I believe Miami is going to regret in the next 20 years not aggressively expanding a campus presence in Palm Beach and other parts of Florida. I would offer Miami the University should/needs to follow the Miami the UHealth System expansion model.
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While I think that you and I are in alignment, I'd simply point out that @Wake_Cane is a member of the UM faculty and very well knows both the current facility and faculty limitations on expanding the number of students.

In the days when UM had that land down by MetroZoo, I was pushing for expansion via satellite campuses. And if not Palm Beach County, AT LEAST we should do something in Broward (given the lack of a state school in Broward). ****, back when Manny Diaz was coaching, we even had a bunch of football players living in Broward...
 
Empirical Cane said:
Critical Strategic Question:

Does UM need to increase enrollment?

I would say yes, and yesterday. I believe Miami is going to regret in the next 20 years not aggressively expanding a campus presence in Palm Beach and other parts of Florida. I would offer Miami the University should/needs to follow the Miami the UHealth System expansion model.
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Yes. University of Georgia has a business school building in the heart of Buckhead. Also, people should go look at what Northeastern is doing as a fascinating glimpse into university M&A as a means of expansion.

I would also say, we should be firmly planting a flag as the university that is at the gateway to Latin America by building a campus or aligning with a university in Brazil or another finance hub down there.
 
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