Spring PractiSe #5 **TUESDAY**

[NorthEastCane]

Still catching up on 12 pages here, but had to stop at Patchan starting over Rousseau. That wasn’t for one game D! He was starting til like game 5 or 6. Explain dat!

Easily!

He had an injury, missed all of spring camp, and was gradually worked into the lineup as a freshman. It's not like he sat on the bench for 5 or 6 games. His snap count gradually increased until it exceeded Patchen's. At that point, he was named the starter

 

[Dwinstitles]

That's a different issue (which I agree with). But the question here is whether people played because of seniority. In most cases, there was no better available option on the bench.

If that's true then we in super deep doodoo. If he starting the best and losing to UNC and FIU his evals are ****

 

[NorthEastCane]

If that's true then we in super deep doodoo. If he starting the best and losing to UNC and FIU his evals are ****

Add to that the collective brain fart by the staff game planning.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Add to that the collective brain fart by the staff game planning.

Facts

I hate to be the guy but I am that guy I just don't see the defense changing. I feel like it's his scheme even when Blake was here.....ohhh we def going to find out if i don't know wtf I'm talking about or I'll be a prophet.

 

[KingB02]

Y'all know what time it is.... Time to over dissect another 50sec video lol

Facts

I hate to be the guy but I am that guy I just don't see the defense changing. I feel like it's his scheme even when Blake was here.....ohhh we def going to find out if i don't know wtf I'm talking about or I'll be a prophet.

Defense will change
Guaranteed!! You don’t go and get these kind of coaches to play more soft zone bruh

 

[Bender]

Facts

I hate to be the guy but I am that guy I just don't see the defense changing. I feel like it's his scheme even when Blake was here.....ohhh we def going to find out if i don't know wtf I'm talking about or I'll be a prophet.

Nah, Blake wanted to run so many zone concepts, players were just confused.

T-Rob is a bump and run guy and Shoop isnt known for running soft zone either. Feel like the defense will change in that aspect.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Nah, Blake wanted to run so many zone concepts, players were just confused.

T-Rob is a bump and run guy and Shoop isnt known for running soft zone either. Feel like the defense will change in that aspect.

That's what I'm hoping for....I'm just always concerned when it comes to what they do and say in the off season and then they do the complete 180

 

[Bender]

That's what I'm hoping for....I'm just always concerned when it comes to what they do and say in the off season and then they do the complete 180

Manny Navarro wrote an article in the athletic on how man-zone-splits changed when Baker came here. Manny used to run man coverage a lot, Baker more zone. Which made our defense look really poor.

 

[DTP]

Like who?

What you’re telling me is that Manny loves upperclassmen so much, that he is overriding Lashlee and Likens?

Or maybe the reality is, that those guys are the ones that are putting Wiggins and Pope out there continually, because Manny lets them run the offense. Like most logical people would think.

I’m not excusing Manny for anything else, and this isn’t a defense of him, but you guys come up with the stupidest shlt.

That makes no sense, a HC who struggling, supposedly a “specialist“ on defense, and he’s also telling people like Lashlee and Likens who to start at wide receiver.

Likens literally said he was the one who picked the wide receiver rotation in an interview a couple weeks ago. https://247sports.com/college/miami...ivers-heading-into-spring-ball-161799336/Amp/

ThEy OnLy PlAy UpPeRcLaSsMeN bRo! They started true sophomore Gurvan Hall at safety and true freshman Zion Nelson in week 0 in 2019.

tHeRe’S nO ReAl cOmPeTitOn! They benched Junior Al Blades for sophomore TeCory Couch last year.

You can make a list of outlier true freshmen who came in and played lights out right away but you better start making the ten page long list of freshmen who don’t see the field much and played poorly when they did. There’s a reason why most don’t just come in and start.

Do coaches make mistakes and play the wrong guy sometimes? Yes. Are they purposely playing guys who suck while pretending to ignore other guys who are dominating? Of course not, that’s absolutely ridiculous. It’s not just right all of the time or wrong all of the time.

With all that said, get Amari Carter all the way out of my face. There’s no reason for him to see the field at safety at all. They’re ten deep and there’s guys with experience too. Wanna move him to linebacker? Go for it. Just keep his slow, targeting *** out of the defensive backfield.

 

[DTP]

Manny Navarro wrote an article in the athletic on how man-zone-splits changed when Baker came here. Manny used to run man coverage a lot, Baker more zone. Which made our defense look really poor.

I saw those numbers too. The percentage of man coverage and blitzes when Diaz was the coordinator vs Baker was significantly different. I want to say they ran man almost 2/3 of the plays under Manny and less than 1/3 of the time under Baker. This is why play calling matters. Same scheme, completely different gameplans, very different results.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

My good pal, Manny is the Ronald McDonald of this wonderful organization. He serves up a rotten hamburger and he can’t say, “Go sue Mayor McCheese (Lashlee) and The Hamburglar (Likens)! They have the final say on hamburgers!”

Yes he’s the the head coach and he’s responsible, but that still doesn’t answer the real life question.

Who actually determines who starts at receiver. Know-little-about-offense Manny, or the guys he puts in charge of the offense.

If you think I’m trying to abdicate or excuse his ultimate responsibility - I’m not. He IS the head coach. In the end, he’s responsible for the whole nut.

But if everyone is going to get so granular about who starts and why they start, let’s be honest. It’s Lashlee and Likens who send the receivers they pick out there - it’s their decision.

Manny is ultimately responsible for what happens, but it’s their decision. Again, it’s the head coach that gets fired if they continue to underperform, so it’s his responsibility, that’s why he is head coach. Doesn’t change the fact that the offensive coaches are putting out there who they feel comfortable with.

 

[puertorricane]

It must’ve been a fever dream but I remember Bandy, Garvin and Carter all being the first ones in the end zone for Bandy’s pick 6 against Notre Dame. Prominent roles for freshman in the biggest game of the season

I want to a point out we’ve got people listing young players who should’ve played over an older player then becoming an older player who should be supplanted by a younger player. So maybe that once younger player should’ve been sitting if he already needs to get his job taken.

Is a rinse and repeat narrative, fans clamor for the younger players to play more. When those younger players become older then they want those same players replaced by the more hyped younger ones.

 

[puertorricane]

Ohio State had no freshmen and 4 sophomores starting out of 22 players. None was backed up by an upperclassman.

What is Ohio State’s depth chart against Alabama in the College Football Playoff national championship game?

Ohio State football's depth chart will again be missing starters against Alabama in the College Football Playoff national championship game.

www.google.com

Bama had even less.

Main thing is to win, if 15-0 happens nobody will care who is starting and playing most snaps.
If Bama or Ohio st start losing, fans will do the same CIS posters do and clamor for other players to play.

 

[423Hurricane]

I’m not buying the narrative that our coaches are playing seemingly less talented upperclassmen versus playing seemingly more talented underclassmen. Especially on the offensive side.

There’s a lot of experience on the O side - Lashlee, Likens, Justice, Hickson - and I can’t believe any one of them would play a less talented player IF another more talented player is available regardless of class. I can’t believe they would jeopardize the teams success, let alone their own personal success, by not playing the best available player.

There’s always got to be underlying issues that not a sole on this board is aware of. Dealing with Covid last year is not an excuse - it’s a fact. Virtually no spring practiSe, limited fall and during the season practiSe, and players in and out with Covid and contact tracing. We **** near didn’t play one game last year due to a lack of bodies and there were several others where we were down over 10.

We’ll see in the next few months what players earn starting jobs. And we’ll **** sure find out where we stand with the big boys game 1.

 

[Zanecane]

I’m not buying the narrative that our coaches are playing seemingly less talented upperclassmen versus playing seemingly more talented underclassmen. Especially on the offensive side.

There’s a lot of experience on the O side - Lashlee, Likens, Justice, Hickson - and I can’t believe any one of them would play a less talented player IF another more talented player is available regardless of class. I can’t believe they would jeopardize the teams success, let alone their own personal success, by not playing the best available player.

There’s always got to be underlying issues that not a sole on this board is aware of. Dealing with Covid last year is not an excuse - it’s a fact. Virtually no spring practiSe, limited fall and during the season practiSe, and players in and out with Covid and contact tracing. We **** near didn’t play one game last year due to a lack of bodies and there were several others where we were down over 10.

We’ll see in the next few months what players earn starting jobs. And we’ll **** sure find out where we stand with the big boys game 1.

Other schools found a way to get talented young guys on the field. This argument is just going in circles. You choose to hang your hat on facts while others are basing their opinions on what was shown on the field. It really is in the eye of the beholder.

All I know for sure is...

If certain upperclassmen are the best we have. We are in trouble.
If certain upperclassmen play again over the young guys. We are in trouble.

If we lose this season Manny is most likely in trouble. So it's in his best interest to field the best team possible regardless of age or experience in the program. It's either he cuts some kids loose or he becomes the guy on the chopping block.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

History tells you this man is right. You can choose to ignore the history if you want.

Well, you will have a new head coach soon enough if this continues. You can argue that was not the case in 2020. We can point to Wiggins and Pope but Rambo was brought in to start. As I stated earlier, if Lashlee got a redo he probably plays Redding and Smith a lot more early on. Interestingly enough have we not heard a word about Pope and Wiggins so far this spring. We have heard from Smith. I remain guardedly optimistic. Sooner or later the cycle will break.

 

[423Hurricane]

Other schools found a way to get talented young guys on the field. This argument is just going in circles. You choose to hang your hat on facts while others are basing their opinions on what was shown on the field. It really is in the eye of the beholder.

All I know for sure is...

If certain upperclassmen are the best we have. We are in trouble.
If certain upperclassmen play again over the young guys. We are in trouble.

If we lose this season Manny is most likely in trouble. So it's in his best interest to field the best team possible regardless of age or experience in the program. It's either he cuts some kids loose or he becomes the guy on the chopping block.

No doubt it’s in his best interest to play the best players regardless of class. And no doubt his *** is on the line if he shyts the bed this year. As it should be.

I also believe he and the rest of the staff are acutely aware of this. None of them except for DVD and Aristide just fell off the turnip truck. I just can’t any of them would risk the teams success or their own personal success by playing less capable players regardless of class. We shall see.

 

[Zanecane]

No doubt it’s in his best interest to play the best players regardless of class. And no doubt his *** is on the line if he shyts the bed this year. As it should be.

I also believe he and the rest of the staff are acutely aware of this. None of them except for DVD and Aristide just fell off the turnip truck. I just can’t any of them would risk the teams success or their own personal success by playing less capable players regardless of class. We shall see.

Don't take this as a slight, but have you ever played competitive team sports?

It happens all the time. Coaches fall in love with a certain guys work ethic or commitment level, his perseverance or whatever the f*ck it is and it becomes a personal relationship that clouds their judgement. They can't see what others (in this case Canes fans) who don't have any personal feelings towards a player see.

Mcloud, Carter and others have been good soldiers. Done things the right way and continue to get opportunities because of it. Pope and Wiggins were highly ranked and I don't know how much pull he really has but they were Cooney's boys and like any good mentor he believes in them.

Favoritism is real. These aren't professional athletes, they are kids who you've been recruiting since they were 14. sometimes younger.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Other schools found a way to get talented young guys on the field. This argument is just going in circles. You choose to hang your hat on facts while others are basing their opinions on what was shown on the field. It really is in the eye of the beholder.

All I know for sure is...

If certain upperclassmen are the best we have. We are in trouble.
If certain upperclassmen play again over the young guys. We are in trouble.

If we lose this season Manny is most likely in trouble. So it's in his best interest to field the best team possible regardless of age or experience in the program. It's either he cuts some kids loose or he becomes the guy on the chopping block.

We find a way to put plenty of talented young players on the field too. As many as just about any other school.

It just gets ignored because it wasn’t at receiver and lb LAST YEAR.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

-Kayshon Boutte/True Frosh WR

-Marvin Mims/True Frosh WR (took Rambo’s spot)

-Myles Murphy/True Frosh DE

-Will Anderson Jr/True Frosh LB

-Noah Sewell/True Frosh LB

-Eli Ricks/True Frosh CB

-Malachi Moore/True Frosh S

-Patrick Surtain/True Frosh CB

-Emmanuel Forbes/True Frosh CB

-Khari Coleman/True Frosh DE

-Tony Grimes (who should’ve been in HS last season/True Frosh CB

-Micah Parsons/True Frosh LB/DE

-Sam Howell/True Frosh QB

Man, I’m just going off the dome right now....can’t even fathom going back further in my brain to call out all the true freshman that have started, stayed for 3 yrs, and then became a high draft pick.

Is it ideal? No; but this notion about kids not being able to play until yr 3, is foolish, and is an excuse to the ongoings here. Ppl live in this O&G bubble, so they speak on things from Miami lens, not realizing that CFB have evolved where these highly ranked kids come in ready to play..............except here, for some odd reason.

Very much disingenuous with tour list. A much better comparison to the list you just typed would be what we do with taylor and Williams. Those guys you listed were all HIGHLY rated players coming out.

I don’t disagree that Ivey should be on the bench but to compare what we do with freshman (who we play) to those guys who were top 3 kids at their position isn’t a fair comparison