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E1k said:
Cam 2023 with waxzu was better than beck 2024, its not an indictment on beck to say cam is just way better. Put them in any situation and anyone with eyes would see cam is better

And no im not just looking from it in hindsight i said cam was the top qb in the country before a snap was played here and beck was considered the top guy

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Check the dates these are before cam played a snap in Miami
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Cam Ward QBR in 2023: 50th in America
Carson Beck QBR in 2024: 12th in America

Cam Ward PAA in 2023: 45th in America
Carson Beck PAA in 2024: 22nd in America

Cam Ward Passer Rating in 2023: 47th in America
Carson Beck Passer Rating in 2024: 38th in America

Beck did throw 12 picks in 2024 versus the 7 threw in 2023 for Ward. And Ward threw about 60 more passes.

Statistics don't tell the whole story, and I think a lot of us (you obviously included via the receipts) had a good feeling on how talented Cam was. But I don't think you can blindly say he was better his last year at Wazzou than Beck was last year. Beck put up those numbers with the most drops in the country, as we all know by now. Running games were probably comparable. I don't want to split hairs here, they both had things they need/needed to improve on if they're going to be great here, but Beck's season last year was not terrible. He had very little help. Much like Cam in 2023. And they still won the SEC, by the way.
 
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aelmiami said:
His numbers were worse last season. At some point it can’t be just the lack of run game and poor WR play. I watched most UGA games. He looked a bit gun shy as the season progressed due to those issues.

Like I’ve said more than once, I do believe he plays well and we make the CFP and ACCCG. I just have a more cautious approach with him compared to Cam. My opinion is what happens if we get in a VTech or Cal situation. How does he play? If we drop a few passes early against ND, or he throws an early pick. How does he respond to that?

Beck wasn’t infallible last season. And saying it’s everyone else’s fault is looking at the situation with orange and green glasses.
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TrumpyCane thinks you're forgetting Mike Bobo was the OC
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Cam Ward QBR in 2023: 50th in America
Carson Beck QBR in 2024: 12th in America

Cam Ward PAA in 2023: 45th in America
Carson Beck PAA in 2024: 22nd in America

Cam Ward Passer Rating in 2023: 47th in America
Carson Beck Passer Rating in 2024: 38th in America

Beck did throw 12 picks in 2024 versus the 7 threw in 2023 for Ward. And Ward threw about 60 more passes.

Statistics don't tell the whole story, and I think a lot of us (you obviously included via the receipts) had a good feeling on how talented Cam was. But I don't think you can blindly say he was better his last year at Wazzou than Beck was last year. Beck put up those numbers with the most drops in the country, as we all know by now. Running games were probably comparable. I don't want to split hairs here, they both had things they need/needed to improve on if they're going to be great here, but Beck's season last year was not terrible. He had very little help. Much like Cam in 2023. And they still won the SEC, by the way.
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Im not blindly saying it i watched both seasons multiple times and i came to my own conclusion that cam is by far the better player.

I never said beck was terrible either thats just you assuming..i added receipts of me talking about beck before he committed too so i obviously understand his situation last year.

This is not me downplaying beck its me defending cam against idiots trying to downplay him.
 
E1k said:
Did you miss when i said this in that reply? “Put them in any situation and anyone with eyes would see cam is better”

And i agree beck is one of the best qbs in the country, if u look at the other posts here i posted i was one of the few that wanted him over ewers when people were debating it

Im just arguing against people trying to downplay cam not even a full year later after he led us to a historically great offense and was the #1 pick in the draft. Like people on here will **** on anyone if it means they’re making themselves feel better about what we currently have that **** is lame
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Stop trying to make my argument that Beck is better than Cam. I read wat u said and it does not relate to my overall point. Im tryna get you to see that the UGA offense had many flaws and was not conducive for any qb to perform there best. If you put Cam in that UGA offense does he perform better than his UM 2024 season?
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Cam Ward QBR in 2023: 50th in America
Carson Beck QBR in 2024: 12th in America

Cam Ward PAA in 2023: 45th in America
Carson Beck PAA in 2024: 22nd in America

Cam Ward Passer Rating in 2023: 47th in America
Carson Beck Passer Rating in 2024: 38th in America

Beck did throw 12 picks in 2024 versus the 7 threw in 2023 for Ward. And Ward threw about 60 more passes.

Statistics don't tell the whole story, and I think a lot of us (you obviously included via the receipts) had a good feeling on how talented Cam was. But I don't think you can blindly say he was better his last year at Wazzou than Beck was last year. Beck put up those numbers with the most drops in the country, as we all know by now. Running games were probably comparable. I don't want to split hairs here, they both had things they need/needed to improve on if they're going to be great here, but Beck's season last year was not terrible. He had very little help. Much like Cam in 2023. And they still won the SEC, by the way.
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People seem to also forget that despite his Wr's having the most drops in college football, he still finished 13th in the passing yards
 
E1k said:
Im not blindly saying it i watched both seasons multiple times and i came to my own conclusion that cam is by far the better player.

I never said beck was terrible either thats just you assuming..i added receipts of me talking about beck before he committed too so i obviously understand his situation last year.

This is not me downplaying beck its me defending cam against idiots trying to downplay him.
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You can't argue against people that use graphs and statistics to tell a full story. Most of cis only watches Miami, uf and fsu.
 
twes.305 said:
Stop trying to make my argument that Beck is better than Cam. I read wat u said and it does not relate to my overall point. Im tryna get you to see that the UGA offense had many flaws and was not conducive for any qb to perform there best. If you put Cam in that UGA offense does he perform better than his UM 2024 season?
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Why are you trying to get me to see what UGA offense was? Did you see what i replied to? It wasn’t to **** on beck it was to someone saying beck won’t throw picks like cam

I think you saw the stats i listed and think thats me saying something about beck? You don’t have to explain **** to me bro lol im telling you i was still high on beck after the season so i obviously know the situation he was in
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Cam Ward QBR in 2023: 50th in America
Carson Beck QBR in 2024: 12th in America

Cam Ward PAA in 2023: 45th in America
Carson Beck PAA in 2024: 22nd in America

Cam Ward Passer Rating in 2023: 47th in America
Carson Beck Passer Rating in 2024: 38th in America

Beck did throw 12 picks in 2024 versus the 7 threw in 2023 for Ward. And Ward threw about 60 more passes.

Statistics don't tell the whole story, and I think a lot of us (you obviously included via the receipts) had a good feeling on how talented Cam was. But I don't think you can blindly say he was better his last year at Wazzou than Beck was last year. Beck put up those numbers with the most drops in the country, as we all know by now. Running games were probably comparable. I don't want to split hairs here, they both had things they need/needed to improve on if they're going to be great here, but Beck's season last year was not terrible. He had very little help. Much like Cam in 2023. And they still won the SEC, by the way.
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And Beck’s OC was Bobo….
 
What makes this board special is the constant preconceived notions of players before they even play a snap (in the new season). There isn't a single person on this board who suspected Cam Ward to have the level of success he had last year- Davey Obrien Winner, the Manning Award, ACC player of the year, Heisman candidate, number 1 pick. We all knew he was talented, but to this magnitude, no way. He proved the entire country wrong (including us). It's why they play the games.


I understand; it's game week, and everyone is on edge. It's a fresh start for Beck. He's got one of the better oline and running games in the country, a talented WR core, and one of the better OC's in the country. I'm so sick of hearing about Becks' drop-off last year, or Becks' 2024 season vs Wards' 2023. At the end of the day, we have one of the best QB's in the entire country
 
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ST26 said:
People seem to also forget that despite his Wr's having the most drops in college football, he still finished 13th in the passing yards
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Correct. This is all meaningless in 5 days, he gets to play ball for Miami and we get to see what he can do. I think he's one of the ~5 best quarterbacks in the country, for this offense. I think he's perfect for it. But it's the last few days of camp, we're just trying to hold on until we get to actual football, and these are the discussions that come out of that.
 
E1k said:
Im not blindly saying it i watched both seasons multiple times and i came to my own conclusion that cam is by far the better player.

I never said beck was terrible either thats just you assuming..i added receipts of me talking about beck before he committed too so i obviously understand his situation last year.

This is not me downplaying beck its me defending cam against idiots trying to downplay him.
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That's fair, and I don't think many would disagree that Cam is the better player. But that's not what you said...you said Cam in 2023 had a better season than Beck in 2024. The numbers won't bear that out, and neither did NFL scouts after they told him he'd be a mid Day 3 pick, hence the reason he ended up here. But yes, watching Cam in 2023, which I did extensively after the season when it was rumored we were courting him, he was clearly an incredible talent who was in a poor offense for him (low aDot, quick/rhythmic passing game, ZERO offensive line help, very little running game).

Again though, just like I said in my last post, there's not much of a point in discussing this, other than we're all starving for actual ball. Cam is gone, and Beck is that dude now. He gets to either prove everyone here right or wrong, over the course of 12 games, starting Sunday. Let's get it.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
That's fair, and I don't think many would disagree that Cam is the better player. But that's not what you said...you said Cam in 2023 had a better season than Beck in 2024. The numbers won't bear that out, and neither did NFL scouts after they told him he'd be a mid Day 3 pick, hence the reason he ended up here. But yes, watching Cam in 2023, which I did extensively after the season when it was rumored we were courting him, he was clearly an incredible talent who was in a poor offense for him (low aDot, quick/rhythmic passing game, ZERO offensive line help, very little running game).

Again though, just like I said in my last post, there's not much of a point in discussing this, other than we're all starving for actual ball. Cam is gone, and Beck is that dude now. He gets to either prove everyone here right or wrong, over the course of 12 games, starting Sunday. Let's get it.
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Yes i did say that, and you posted numbers saying i cant “blindly” say that..i responded saying i did not blindly say that im saying it based on me watching both seasons.

Idc what numbers say, idc what mock drafts or scouts say. I trust my own opinion enough. Not saying im belichick or a ****** guru but i literally said right after cam 2023 season before he played a snap here or even committed that he would be the #1 pick and was the best qb in the country
 
ST26 said:
What makes this board special is the constant preconceived notions of players before they even play a snap (in the new season). There isn't a single person on this board who suspected Cam Ward to have the level of success he had last year- Davey Obrien Winner, the Manning Award, ACC player of the year, Heisman candidate, number 1 pick. We all knew he was talented, but to this magnitude, no way. He proved the entire country wrong (including us). It's why they play the games.


I understand; it's game week, and everyone is on edge. It's a fresh start for Beck. He's got one of the better oline and running games in the country, a talented WR core, and one of the better OC's in the country. I'm so sick of hearing about Becks' drop-off last year, or Becks' 2024 season vs Wards' 2023. At the end of the day, we have one of the best QB's in the entire country
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I literally posted flat out proof that I believed cam would be exactly what he was now you saying nobody did after trying to say i was ****tin on cam last off season? lmfaoooo

“(including us)” lmfaoooooo
 
NDfan said:
I think Miami will be drastically improved defensively. Thats what worries me. If it was Miamis D from last year, I wouldn't be as worried. Should be a great game!
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E1k said:
I literally posted flat out proof that I believed cam would be exactly what he was now you saying nobody did after trying to say i was ****tin on cam last off season? lmfaoooo

“(including us)” lmfaoooooo
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Again, not a single person on this board ever would have thought Ward would have impacted our program as much as he did (especially what he did inside of Hecht). I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. We all suspected him to thrive in this system, but Cam's Impact/performance exceeded everyone's expectations
 
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TheShredder said:
You do care that’s why you try to pretend you actually knew what you were talking. Go sit down Mr.checkdown
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Lmao sure sport! 👍 go look for your check down armchair quarterback and keep pretending that you know something about this game.
 
E1k said:
Did you miss when i said this in that reply? “Put them in any situation and anyone with eyes would see cam is better”

And i agree beck is one of the best qbs in the country, if u look at the other posts here i posted i was one of the few that wanted him over ewers when people were debating it

Im just arguing against people trying to downplay cam not even a full year later after he led us to a historically great offense and was the #1 pick in the draft. Like people on here will **** on anyone if it means they’re making themselves feel better about what we currently have that **** is lame
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It's not "lame." It's fanaticism (outlook or behavior especially as exhibited by excessive enthusiasm, unreasoning zeal, or wild and extravagant notions on some subject). We are Miami Hurricanes fans. Cam is no longer a member of the Miami Hurricanes; Carson Beck is a Miami Hurricane. Ipso facto...

Congratulations on not being emotional, but, really, this is a "you problem" - constantly expecting good-faith arguments from members of the football-Taliban is a losing proposition. And that goes for all of the "just keepin' it real" types out there.
 
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