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jbryant62 said:
Wtf. . We just went out and spent money on a high profile hc. We have board members saying they will spend for assistants and we are throwing around orgeron. Dorsey is different cause richt can be the real oc with Dorsey learning under him. But why orgeron. Cause he coached here 20 years ago. Let's get a real DC, . Going to ***** the whole thing up by getting an inexperienced DC. Orgeron might be great prove it somewhere else. There are 100 guys more qualified. . We don't need all Miami guys. A different perspective on things is good to
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That's reasonable. I recognize Orgeron isn't a perfect candidate. But...again, I'm not saying outright "hire him". I think he deserves to be talked to about interest in the job, and to see what he could bring to the table. That's it.

You asked "why Orgeron"...I've outlined it. And I never mentioned that he was a former assistant here. Him being at Miami 20+ years ago means as much to me as his personal troubles with alcohol and women.

Based on his more recent (read: within the last decade) list of qualifications, his career arc seems to be moving in the direction of DC, in my opinion. I think he could be ready, and we need to interview him. That's as far as I'm taking this whole thing. Everyone else seemed to blow up about it and automatically dismiss it w/o much more than dumbassery.
 
Hurricane Nate said:
Sonny Long said:
corny cane said:
Richt was forced to hire an oc and be a CEO/marketing tool for uga. Let the man get his people here. He will not disappoint.
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Horse Sh*t! He just started to suck at UGA. Stop with the excuses.

Hope he does better here.
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richt didn't have a qb ready for this year. it's his fault, but down years happen with pro style offenses. qb recruitment and development is always at a premium for guys who run that type of offense. they can't plug in a converted db or wr and run a power spread.

that said, when a guy like richt has a good qb, they are very successful. uga has had great qbs and good defenses to go with them a few years. during his tenure at uga, lsu, bama, auburn and uf have all had dominant programs. he's played uf, lsu and auburn every year for the last 15 years, not to mention having to play bama in the seccg in 2012. uga would have skull drug nd for the natty. theU and osu edged him out in 2002 and texas/sc played for it in 2005.

i think he can take us to a natty. if he stays for 10 years (he'll be 65), i can see us playing in the acccg about half of those years with a shot to get in the playoffs. we should dominate the coastal like it's the old big east.
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You forgot to mention he lost his best player, and possibly the third best player in the SEC, in Chubb. Henry and Fournette are the only two I would say are better. He still went 9-3. If they have Chubb they beat UF and Tennessee- then their only loss is to the number two team in the country and possible National Champion? ****. Some Corch that is.
 
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UGAs biggest issue on offense was QB. Sony had a good year despite Chubb getting hurt. UGA has always had good RBs.

wherrera8 said:
Hurricane Nate said:
Sonny Long said:
corny cane said:
Richt was forced to hire an oc and be a CEO/marketing tool for uga. Let the man get his people here. He will not disappoint.
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Horse Sh*t! He just started to suck at UGA. Stop with the excuses.

Hope he does better here.
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richt didn't have a qb ready for this year. it's his fault, but down years happen with pro style offenses. qb recruitment and development is always at a premium for guys who run that type of offense. they can't plug in a converted db or wr and run a power spread.

that said, when a guy like richt has a good qb, they are very successful. uga has had great qbs and good defenses to go with them a few years. during his tenure at uga, lsu, bama, auburn and uf have all had dominant programs. he's played uf, lsu and auburn every year for the last 15 years, not to mention having to play bama in the seccg in 2012. uga would have skull drug nd for the natty. theU and osu edged him out in 2002 and texas/sc played for it in 2005.

i think he can take us to a natty. if he stays for 10 years (he'll be 65), i can see us playing in the acccg about half of those years with a shot to get in the playoffs. we should dominate the coastal like it's the old big east.
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I skimmed this but did you also mention he lost his best player and possibly the third best player in the SEC in Chubb. Henry and Fournette are the only two I would say are better. He still went 9-3. If they have Chubb they beat UF and Tennessee and their only loss is to the number two team in the country and possible National Champion? ****. Some Corch that is.
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BWCD said:
The Franchise said:
gcane44 said:
People that want Orgeron as DC are likely the same type that want to give Cristobal a shot as OC. Not every good position coach has it in him to handle scheming an entire offense/defense. It's an entirely different world.
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I'll be more direct. People who want Orgeron as DC are dead from the neck up and most likely from the waist down too.
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I am neither of those, so fvck you.

And I said we should consider him as an option, not hire him. My words haven't been "Orgeron or bust" or "#BBEO!!!" or dumbazz **** like that.

Talking **** about me when I'm not opposed to your Don Brown pick. Sit the fvck down.
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If you don't realize how colossally stupid suggesting Orgeron as DC is, then I'm surprised you can even read the responses on here. Do you have a program that interprets the written words on here to audible monosyllabic grunts that you might understand, Nell?

You don't fire an amateur staff, who took your program to the brink of extinction, then bring in a sausage-fingered Neanderthal, who has never coordinated a defense in his 400 years of coaching (gee I wonder why?), and have an offensive-minded HC hand the defense to him.

Can you comprehend how dumb that is, or will you heel-dig like a nincompoop? You hire a grizzled technical master who knows exactly what the fck he's doing. No more amateur hour learning on the job **** here.
 
Mike London would be a good DC candidate if he's interested. I don't see his name coming up for any smaller HC jobs either.

Richt likes to hand complete control of his DC, so the guy has to have experience and a track record of success. This guy is known for aggressive D and actually produced and recruited good defensive players at UVA. Richt would have not problem handing over the D to a guy with HC experience.

We should save money on the offensive side, assuming Richt takes control, get a good upcoming OC, i.e Dorsey, and then spend what we need on a DC like London or someone with a similar track record.
 
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What's Mike Smith (former Falcons HC) doing these days?
There was a mention of Richt possibly pursuing NFL level assistants.
He's basically the same age as Richt and they probably know each other.

Smith is from Florida, coached under Rex Ryan and Brian Billick, and worked with Ray Lewis in Baltimore.
That's a pretty solid pedigree.
 
BWCD said:
If Orgeron can coach (and I think he can), we should consider him...regardless of his transgressions that happened over 2 decades ago.
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No, we shouldn't. The guy's a woman beater, He shouldn't have the previlege of making 6 figures coaching impressionable young people, character matters...#BBRS!!!
 
The Franchise said:
BWCD said:
The Franchise said:
gcane44 said:
People that want Orgeron as DC are likely the same type that want to give Cristobal a shot as OC. Not every good position coach has it in him to handle scheming an entire offense/defense. It's an entirely different world.
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I'll be more direct. People who want Orgeron as DC are dead from the neck up and most likely from the waist down too.
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I am neither of those, so fvck you.

And I said we should consider him as an option, not hire him. My words haven't been "Orgeron or bust" or "#BBEO!!!" or dumbazz **** like that.

Talking **** about me when I'm not opposed to your Don Brown pick. Sit the fvck down.
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If you don't realize how colossally stupid suggesting Orgeron as DC is, then I'm surprised you can even read the responses on here. Do you have a program that interprets the written words on here to audible monosyllabic grunts that you might understand, Nell?

You don't fire an amateur staff, who took your program to the brink of extinction, then bring in a sausage-fingered Neanderthal, who has never coordinated a defense in his 400 years of coaching (gee I wonder why?), and have an offensive-minded HC hand the defense to him.

Can you comprehend how dumb that is, or will you heel-dig like a nincompoop? You hire a grizzled technical master who knows exactly what the fck he's doing. No more amateur hour learning on the job **** here.
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I can see your point clear as crystal. I'm not stumping for him to get the job outright. I simply want them to talk to him.

As for him never being DC, he's been a HC 2x. He didn't do well at Ole ****, but he did very well as interim at USCw. So...he can be a HC at two different Power 5 schools, but we can't at least explore the possibility that he could be a competent DC? I don't think that's as big of a stretch as everyone is making it out to be.

And how exactly is Orgeron an amateur after his, as you put it, 400 years of coaching? He may be new to being a DC...but you have to take a job somewhere. And yes - I get the sentiment of wanting him to do it somewhere else before he does it at Miami. But that right there is why we need to speak to him first, and gauge his capability for a DC spot. If Richt deems him capable, so be it. If not...maybe he'll take the DL job that he has been capable of at other stops.

And if all of the grizzled technical masters you want tell us to fvck off, who are we left with? A young coach with DC experience at some random mid-major, or an assistant who has been a DC elsewhere but is now not one...or a guy like Orgeron, who has some upside to him.
 
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CaneSince4Ever said:
BWCD said:
If Orgeron can coach (and I think he can), we should consider him...regardless of his transgressions that happened over 2 decades ago.
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No, we shouldn't. The guy's a woman beater, He shouldn't have the previlege of making 6 figures coaching impressionable young people, character matters...#BBRS!!!
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Air your grievances on that front with every other Power 5 school he's been employed at since 20+ years ago. I guess Ole ****, USCw, and LSU are now on board with beating women if we all took your stance on it...which would be dumb.

You can hashtag and increase the fontsize on it all you want, RS wouldn't be the best DC hire we could make.
 
LatinCane said:
UGAs biggest issue on offense was QB. Sony had a good year despite Chubb getting hurt. UGA has always had good RBs.

wherrera8 said:
Hurricane Nate said:
Sonny Long said:
corny cane said:
Richt was forced to hire an oc and be a CEO/marketing tool for uga. Let the man get his people here. He will not disappoint.
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Horse Sh*t! He just started to suck at UGA. Stop with the excuses.

Hope he does better here.
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richt didn't have a qb ready for this year. it's his fault, but down years happen with pro style offenses. qb recruitment and development is always at a premium for guys who run that type of offense. they can't plug in a converted db or wr and run a power spread.

that said, when a guy like richt has a good qb, they are very successful. uga has had great qbs and good defenses to go with them a few years. during his tenure at uga, lsu, bama, auburn and uf have all had dominant programs. he's played uf, lsu and auburn every year for the last 15 years, not to mention having to play bama in the seccg in 2012. uga would have skull drug nd for the natty. theU and osu edged him out in 2002 and texas/sc played for it in 2005.

i think he can take us to a natty. if he stays for 10 years (he'll be 65), i can see us playing in the acccg about half of those years with a shot to get in the playoffs. we should dominate the coastal like it's the old big east.
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I skimmed this but did you also mention he lost his best player and possibly the third best player in the SEC in Chubb. Henry and Fournette are the only two I would say are better. He still went 9-3. If they have Chubb they beat UF and Tennessee and their only loss is to the number two team in the country and possible National Champion? ****. Some Corch that is.
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I agree on the QB. It's on him. But Sony and Chubb are not on the same level. That was a big loss.

Think about it this way, Jimbo was in the same position. No real QB but an elite RB. If Cook is out for the last few games, do they finish 9-3? I think not. And that's in the ACC. Richt did it in the SEC.

Golden in 2013 lost Duke, and still had a decent QB in Morris. Nothing special but decent. He managed to lose to two horrible teams in VT and Duke. Richt lost to Tennessee and the Sec east champs in the other hand.

This is not a bad hire. I wanted Butch, but Richt is a proven winner and the best coach we have had in the last 15 years.
 
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