Possible Bruce suspension and info on AQM

[brittle757]

According to a UM source, a former girlfriend informed UM about Young’s involvement.

Bruce made the photo of himself with the weapon because of a dispute with a former Aquinas male student, a dispute centered around Bruce’s ex-girlfriend.

Be careful young men, they're vicious creatures

Or you could just not put yourself in that position from the jump, especially when you stand to lose the most.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Taking a picture with a gun is absolutely nothing. However, if he did direct message the picture and threaten another student then that's something to pay attention to. That wouldn't be crazy to suspend him over because that crap could get him in real trouble if he keeps up.

And obviously, it was enough to get him kicked out of his last school so it must have been more than a picture.

 

[dycane]

Report from Barry Jackson and myself - From use of luxury cars to brandishing a gun, UM sorting through football disciplinary issues; Dolphins, Heat, Marlins nuggets | Sports Buzz

Pete, impressed with your trajectory. Despite being a neophyte, you've acquitted yourself quite well. You are now a professional reporter, not a hype man or fixer. Clearly several on this board fail to understand the distinction. You have unique access to information, and with that comes responsibility -- the line between appropriate use and abuse of that access is fine and often blurred. The great ones understand where that line lies for any given story. Hope you are focused on and appreciate the lost art of writing. Would be nice to have a local sports writer who values the form of his work as much as the substance.

 

[Cold Beer]

I sure hope Bruce is not suspended. That would really disappoint a lot of um fans and potential recruits. In fact, that would be ammunition for opposing recruiters against UM. I can see it now, "Hey, Recruit, MR will suspend you for stuff you did before you got there. We don't do that. We look after our players."

I'll just say this. I hope Mark Richt is smart enough not to suspend Bruce. The kid didn't even commit a crime.

 

[The Franchise]

Jizzbo Fishpants was out there drinking Jameis Winston's rape juice every week defending him after he power plunged some unconscious chick and robbed Publix. Never thought about sitting that thieving rapist for a minute.

Meanwhile, we got Rev. Richt suspending Sam Bam for chewing gum in class in the 4th grade.

 

[Dwinstitles]

I sure hope Bruce is not suspended. That would really disappoint a lot of um fans and potential recruits. In fact, that would be ammunition for opposing recruiters against UM. I can see it now, "Hey, Recruit, MR will suspend you for stuff you did before you got there. We don't do that. We look after our players."

I'll just say this. I hope Mark Richt is smart enough not to suspend Bruce. The kid didn't even commit a crime.

This true

 

[Dwinstitles]

Jizzbo Fishpants was out there drinking Jameis Winston's rape juice every week defending him after he power plunged some unconscious chick and robbed Publix. Never thought about sitting that thieving rapist for a minute.

Meanwhile, we got Rev. Richt suspending Sam Bam for chewing gum in class in the 4th grade.

We will never win a recruiting battle ever if u dont stick by ur players

 

[Canedog]

Bruce has been workin too hard on his biceps to suspend him now.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Report from Barry Jackson and myself - From use of luxury cars to brandishing a gun, UM sorting through football disciplinary issues; Dolphins, Heat, Marlins nuggets | Sports Buzz

Would should Bruce get suspended for something that didn't happen in college ? Must be missing something here

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Taking a picture with a gun is absolutely nothing. However, if he did direct message the picture and threaten another student then that's something to pay attention to. That wouldn't be crazy to suspend him over because that crap could get him in real trouble if he keeps up.

And obviously, it was enough to get him kicked out of his last school so it must have been more than a picture.

It didn't happen why he was in college .

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

My son attended one of CMR's camps this summer. CMR talked about what he expects from student-athletes at least 4 times during the camp. Based on what CMR said to the campers, I would not be surprised if he holds these kids to a high standard of personal conduct.

Sounds like Coach Mike Rumph had a lot to say.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Taking a picture with a gun is absolutely nothing. However, if he did direct message the picture and threaten another student then that's something to pay attention to. That wouldn't be crazy to suspend him over because that crap could get him in real trouble if he keeps up.

And obviously, it was enough to get him kicked out of his last school so it must have been more than a picture.

It didn't happen why he was in college .

You're right, but threatening somebody is serious and should be nipped in the bud. If it's just the picture then it's nothing but if he was threatening to shoot somebody then you need to send the signal. That crap could end his life or pro career if he thinks he can get away with it.

 

[gogeta4]

Get used to it lol. Richt been suspending important players no matter who they played that week at uga...

richt still had kids run a muck up in athens so i dont get the fake hard hand...that sh*t aint work...

 

[gogeta4]

Taking a picture with a gun is absolutely nothing. However, if he did direct message the picture and threaten another student then that's something to pay attention to. That wouldn't be crazy to suspend him over because that crap could get him in real trouble if he keeps up.

And obviously, it was enough to get him kicked out of his last school so it must have been more than a picture.

It didn't happen why he was in college .

You're right, but threatening somebody is serious and should be nipped in the bud. If it's just the picture then it's nothing but if he was threatening to shoot somebody then you need to send the signal. That crap could end his life or pro career if he thinks he can get away with it.

well deal with him and speak with him about it...suspending games does absolutely nothing imo. Sh*t shouldnt even be a story..

 

[Tad Footeball]

On a side note, I don't see the relationship between Sam Bam and Richt lasting all that long if he's already suspending him for taking a stupid picture. Sam is a wild stallion, and Richt has a long storied history of throwing guys off his team at UGA.

Compare and contrast this situation to Ashawn Robinson at Alabama. Caught with a gun on his lap and dope in his car while Sam just took a picture with a gun. Saban just did an interview where he said he thinks Robinson will learn more and correct his behavior by doing ride alongs with cops instead of being suspended for any football games.

I'm kinda surprised at the amount of posters on here that are ok with it if Richt suspends Bruce. You do exactly what Saban did in your example. Any type of suspension is bullshat imo.

I think the only reason people are okay with it is because of the timing and the belief that IF Bruce needs to be put in check that the best time in his entire career would be now- at the very start of it and where the game time missed would be almost irrelevant. It's not like he's going to transfer or anything but that's also assuming he actually needs the discipline and Richt isn't just using him to send a message to other players and future recruits/LOI signers.

Suspending a kid for doing something dumb in HS is beyond retarded despite any possible rationalization or explanation. He wasn't even charged with anything.

Ohhh, I personally think the concept is dumb too but was just explaining why people are apathetic if it happens. If a kid effs up before he steps foot on your campus you either yank the scholarship or you put him in your doghouse right off the bat. An official punishment in the form of game suspensions is dumb and sets a stupid precedent that'll be a pain in the *** to uniformly enforce in the future. That said, this is pretty far down on my list of jimmy rustlers. Richt can do whatever he wants.....until we lose a game.

 

[GTPete00]

"A UM player said eyebrows were raised when Young drove to practice last season in an expensive car. According to a UM source, a former girlfriend informed UM about Young’s involvement."

This was obviously not surprising to Pete otherwise it would have said "An eyebrow was raised"

 

[Jeeperaf]

Report from Barry Jackson and myself - From use of luxury cars to brandishing a gun, UM sorting through football disciplinary issues; Dolphins, Heat, Marlins nuggets | Sports Buzz

Would should Bruce get suspended for something that didn't happen in college ? Must be missing something here

Actually it's complicated...

Universities issue NLIs (LOIs as common vernacular...NCAA insiders and compliance departments call them NLIs) at different times under different circumstances and for different sports...but for our purposes...D1P5 Football...and what is known as "Nat'l Signing Day" is actually the start of that specific window...

ok..Universities issue the NLIs, and the then student signs and returns said document (if under 18 w/ parent/guardian signature (remember the A Collins drama), over 18 without...however some Universities are requiring co-sign w/ parent/guardian up to 21)...and the returned NLI must be received nlt 7 days after issuance back to University (if not, University has "right" to not honor if returned late...student is free if they never send it in...it can get complicated...)...then University submits the validated NLIs to their respective conferences...who in turn then submit to the NCAA nlt 21 days after inital issuance...its complicated...

Once the NCAA receives the NLI within the 21 day window...at that moment, the "just a HS student" now becomes, under the eyes of the NCAA, University, and state AND federal contract law (its been challenged and lost by both sides under very specific and unique circumstances) a Prospective Student Athlete (PSA)...its complicated...

Now, under NCAA policy and contract law, the University and now newly PSA enter into a binding agreement where: 1) PSA agrees to meet all NCAA eligibilty and University admission requirements, 2) University agrees to provide PSA an athletic "award" if #1 is met (and the term "award" sparks the controversy between full scholarship vs gray shirt....again..its complicated), 3) PSA agrees to abide by conduct and representation standards as set forth by the AD AND Dean of Admissions, and 4) in the case of a breech in #3 , AD AND/OR Dean of Admissions reserves the "right" to discipline either in absentia (prior to PSA actual enrollment) or after arrival and enrollment (changing PSA status to Student-Athlete (SA))...to include an admonishment, suspension from athletic or academic activities, and even dismissal from athletic or academic activities....its complicated...and a good reason why everyone hates the NCAA...

now, IF Bruce did in fact transmit this picture, while under PSA status, brandishing a gun to ANYONE with even the perceived intent of intimidation, coercion, etc..blah, blah, blah...UM's AD AND/OR Dean of Admissions has the "right", based on standards of conduct, to act in how the see they fit tomprotect the University's interests...

It would be in error to assert these athletes are "just kids in HS" or the "NCAA/University has no business with them while in HS..." Fromthe moment they assume PSA status...agree/disagree...it doesnt matter....what does matter is that under then eyes of the NCAA, University, and contract law, they can and do have some greater interactions and discipline options if a PSA "fails" to abide by the terms of an agreement all the parties signed...

It been discussed ad nasuem on this thread the speculation as to Richt's HOW and WHY on this matter...i wont rehash again here...

i think Richt is setting the right tone from an organizational leadership perspective to set the program up for short and long term success...i reserve the right, like all on here, to change said opinion as the Ws or Ls pile up...

Good luck Richt,,,Go Canes

 

[Fightinibis]

MR is full of sh*t if he suspends Bruce for what he did in HS. Sorry, but that would be pure BS

Again...like it or not, when an athlete submits that valid LOI and its accepted by the University, they [both parties] agreed to the fact that said athlete is now a public representative of the University 24/7.

That's a big concept for anyone to grasp at that young and immature age, even bigger and more difficult to live up to.

Tough but true.

Go Richt...Go Canes...

If that's true, then we should be disciplining kids for criminal conduct before the NFL draft after declaring. If enrollment means nothing, then neither should declaring or graduating. By that logic, they are not the NFL's problem until they sign their contract.

Bottom line, you can state your opinion, but its not a LIKE IT OR NOT situation with all coaches and all Universities. There are plenty of coaches that would be LOOOONG past what Sam did before he even stepped onto campus.

This is a statement Richt is CHOOSING to make...fantastic, but let's stop acting like a mandatory suspension is in play for any kid that makes a stupid decision post LOI anywhere.

UM

 

[Jeeperaf]

MR is full of sh*t if he suspends Bruce for what he did in HS. Sorry, but that would be pure BS

Again...like it or not, when an athlete submits that valid LOI and its accepted by the University, they [both parties] agreed to the fact that said athlete is now a public representative of the University 24/7.

That's a big concept for anyone to grasp at that young and immature age, even bigger and more difficult to live up to.

Tough but true.

Go Richt...Go Canes...

If that's true, then we should be disciplining kids for criminal conduct before the NFL draft after declaring. If enrollment means nothing, then neither should declaring or graduating. By that logic, they are not the NFL's problem until they sign their contract.

Bottom line, you can state your opinion, but its not a LIKE IT OR NOT situation with all coaches and all Universities. There are plenty of coaches that would be LOOOONG past what Sam did before he even stepped onto campus.

This is a statement Richt is CHOOSING to make...fantastic, but let's stop acting like a mandatory suspension is in play for any kid that makes a stupid decision post LOI anywhere.

UM

Fightin....

it would actually is a like it or not situation...i might not have communicated the point effectively...

regardless....I agree with you 100%...his PSA status and actions on said status do not mandate any reaction from the AD or University...

the AD leadership is 100% choosing to do so, and without question, other AD leadership at other schools would handle this situation very differently...

 

[3FW]

This is the year to get all the suspensions out of the way early with the Charmin soft schedule.