Possible Bruce suspension and info on AQM

[Tad Footeball]

I'm not putting anybody on "blast", I'm just reporting what happened. That's my job.

Do I like reporting on stuff like that? No, I'd rather be talking about a new commitment or something like that, but the fact of the matter is what happened, happened.

And also, I don't report stuff that players tell me. That would completely break their trust and I don't step on my sources just to be first with something.

What I took from the article is you absolutely put someone on blast.....the car rental company owner for admitting that he couldn't name a guy on the let alone hook them up with some sweetheart deal. Excellent reportage. There's obviously nothing to see here. Move along.

Using that logic we shouldve believed everything nevin said too right?

You lost me. Nevin was making grandiose claims. Pete reported that this guy seemingly doesn't even watch UM football.

 

[Jeeperaf]

MR is full of sh*t if he suspends Bruce for what he did in HS. Sorry, but that would be pure BS

Again...like it or not, when an athlete submits that valid LOI and its accepted by the University, they [both parties] agreed to the fact that said athlete is now a public representative of the University 24/7.

That's a big concept for anyone to grasp at that young and immature age, even bigger and more difficult to live up to.

Tough but true.

Go Richt...Go Canes...

 

[The Franchise]

I see you Pete, get close to players and "sources" then put players/program on blast.

I know you got to do you and not knocking your hustle but dam...





/Maybe I am looking at it from a completely wrong perspective (I am and have been many times before, lol) , would like to hear your thoughts on it either way

Gigantic difference between reporting facts and what's already out there and being a mole and violating trust by broadcasting what players/coaches tell you in confidence. If you don't get that then I'm wasting my time.

It wasn't known until Ariz threw it out into the Internet.

I don't know that to be true. But even if it is, do you think no one else would have discovered that Young suddenly went missing once practice starts? Probably more beneficial to get this distraction out of the way during summer vacation than having a bunch of vultures swarming the coaches and players when fall practice begins.

And it's definitely beneficial to the program to have a UM man reporting actual facts and probably even trying his hardest to do the right thing by the program instead of some UF/FSU local maggot looking to put a sensational spin on "facts."

 

[Dirty Sprite]

[MENTION=3894]Peter Ariz[/MENTION]

I still dont see the issue especially if the owner of the car rental shop said nobodys getting special treatment??

It is possible for college students to rent luxury cars, its not that serious.

How does this warrant Juwon Young getting kicked off the team?

 

[iCaneOX]

Dirty cops strike again.

Kid is lucky to be alive.

Yet posters here were destroying him for drunk driving when he wasn't even drunk.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I see you Pete, get close to players and "sources" then put players/program on blast.

I know you got to do you and not knocking your hustle but dam...





/Maybe I am looking at it from a completely wrong perspective (I am and have been many times before, lol) , would like to hear your thoughts on it either way

Gigantic difference between reporting facts and what's already out there and being a mole and violating trust by broadcasting what players/coaches tell you in confidence. If you don't get that then I'm wasting my time.

It wasn't known until Ariz threw it out into the Internet.

I don't know that to be true. But even if it is, do you think no one else would have discovered that Young suddenly went missing once practice starts? Probably more beneficial to get this distraction out of the way during summer vacation than having a bunch of vultures swarming the coaches and players when fall practice begins.

And it's definitely beneficial to the program to have a UM man reporting actual facts and probably even trying his hardest to do the right thing by the program instead of some UF/FSU local maggot looking to put a sensational spin on "facts."

This is true in terms of Pete's reporting vs anybody else.

Unfortunately there are a couple of UM maggots, example "the beast" that like to pile on like Charlie Weis or Mike Mangino at an all you can eat buffet.

Compare and contrast Beast's coverage of this issue vs Ariz. London was throwing all kinds of shīt out there, including making up crap about the basketball team.

 

[Cold Beer]

MR is full of sh*t if he suspends Bruce for what he did in HS. Sorry, but that would be pure BS

Again...like it or not, when an athlete submits that valid LOI and its accepted by the University, they [both parties] agreed to the fact that said athlete is now a public representative of the University 24/7.

That's a big concept for anyone to grasp at that young and immature age, even bigger and more difficult to live up to.

Tough but true.

Go Richt...Go Canes...

Actually, they are not accepted when they sign LOIs. It will be utterly BS if Bruce is suspended for an isolated HS incident.

MR can miss me with that Holy Holy crap. Just Coach and Win!

 

[cflacane2]

That's just what LeBatard says.

You and that fat faced **** sucker should take a page from the SEC reporters and learn when to shut the **** up for the better of the program.

Ego-driven, selfish clowns!

please eloquently explain for the rest of us exactly how what pete reported was to the detriment of the program.

Sure, since you don't seem to understand how things work. Let's take two different situations.

On 07/03 (article link below), Alabama reported 19 secondary violations to the NCAA, 5 of those belonged to the football team. I'm sure most people close to the program (media included) were aware of what was going on - but it was not even hinted at until the report was completed.

Alabama self-reports 19 secondary NCAA violations | AL.com

In that same time period, Miami is in the middle of investigating an ALLEGATION against the school that some kids received impermissible benefits (more than likely secondary rules violations like Alabama). Some student/athlete leaks it to Ariz - who can't run fast enough to the Herald w/ the scoop. The school then has to spend an inordinate amount of time discussing the INVESTIGATION in the media - not giving the school a chance to complete its internal investigation, while at the same time making the NCAA aware of some improprieties on campus.

You don't see a difference there?

Mother of GOD! Can you reach any further?

I know its tough being objective.

But lets try it this way -

What is the benefit of leaking that there is an investigation into student athletes prior to it being reported to the NCAA?

Transparency. I'm pretty sure we're still under probation till fall so in an effort to convince the NCAA that we on top of any possible infraction is key to avoiding additional penalties. The perception that the compliance office is proactive is key. It also puts the kids on notice if you **** up we aren't playing around.

 

[cflacane2]

I'm not putting anybody on "blast", I'm just reporting what happened. That's my job.

Do I like reporting on stuff like that? No, I'd rather be talking about a new commitment or something like that, but the fact of the matter is what happened, happened.

And also, I don't report stuff that players tell me. That would completely break their trust and I don't step on my sources just to be first with something.

What I took from the article is you absolutely put someone on blast.....the car rental company owner for admitting that he couldn't name a guy on the let alone hook them up with some sweetheart deal. Excellent reportage. There's obviously nothing to see here. Move along.

Using that logic we shouldve believed everything nevin said too right?

You lost me. Nevin was making grandiose claims. Pete reported that this guy seemingly doesn't even watch UM football.

I'm not saying the owner is lying at all but he has a business to protect so denying anything that brings him negative attention is and should be his #1 priority. Anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Furthermore the owner very well might not even be involved with day to day operations or the rental could've been a straw purchase to begin with and not even under youngs name. It was reported from the start the reason JW was immediately suspended was because he wasn't forthcoming during the initial questioning by compliance...a pretty big red flag.

 

[TexCane]

Don't kill the messenger! Pete is doing his job. Players need to understand there are consequences for such behavior. That's life. Grow up!

 

[matty1]

Such a BS response. In the heat of the moment, can you tell the difference?? People have been shot and killed for displaying and pointing airsoft/BB guns. It was a picture, but it goes to character.. You show lack of respect/maturity to even have your picture taken with a gun and then have it posted on social media. You want to be somebody, then act like you know how to be somebody.

 

[cflacane2]

Don't kill the messenger! Pete is doing his job. Players need to understand there are consequences for such behavior. That's life. Grow up!

Yup, Pete is only reporting facts. This isn't a hit piece like Susan did against yearby last summer.

 

[The Franchise]

I see you Pete, get close to players and "sources" then put players/program on blast.

I know you got to do you and not knocking your hustle but dam...





/Maybe I am looking at it from a completely wrong perspective (I am and have been many times before, lol) , would like to hear your thoughts on it either way

Gigantic difference between reporting facts and what's already out there and being a mole and violating trust by broadcasting what players/coaches tell you in confidence. If you don't get that then I'm wasting my time.

It wasn't known until Ariz threw it out into the Internet.

I don't know that to be true. But even if it is, do you think no one else would have discovered that Young suddenly went missing once practice starts? Probably more beneficial to get this distraction out of the way during summer vacation than having a bunch of vultures swarming the coaches and players when fall practice begins.

And it's definitely beneficial to the program to have a UM man reporting actual facts and probably even trying his hardest to do the right thing by the program instead of some UF/FSU local maggot looking to put a sensational spin on "facts."

This is true in terms of Pete's reporting vs anybody else.

Unfortunately there are a couple of UM maggots, example "the beast" that like to pile on like Charlie Weis or Mike Mangino at an all you can eat buffet.

Compare and contrast Beast's coverage of this issue vs Ariz. London was throwing all kinds of shīt out there, including making up crap about the basketball team.

Good thing is only about 15 people even know who The Feast is and even less see what he hammers out with those Vienna sausages attached to his metacarpals.

 

[Canemang]

[MENTION=3894]Peter Ariz[/MENTION]

I still dont see the issue especially if the owner of the car rental shop said nobodys getting special treatment??

It is possible for college students to rent luxury cars, its not that serious.

How does this warrant Juwon Young getting kicked off the team?

I believe he was suspended/kicked off for lying about the situation (whatever that is), not actually driving/renting the car.

 

[Ghandi]

I see you Pete, get close to players and "sources" then put players/program on blast.

I know you got to do you and not knocking your hustle but dam...





/Maybe I am looking at it from a completely wrong perspective (I am and have been many times before, lol) , would like to hear your thoughts on it either way

Gigantic difference between reporting facts and what's already out there and being a mole and violating trust by broadcasting what players/coaches tell you in confidence. If you don't get that then I'm wasting my time.

It wasn't known until Ariz threw it out into the Internet.

I don't know that to be true. But even if it is, do you think no one else would have discovered that Young suddenly went missing once practice starts? Probably more beneficial to get this distraction out of the way during summer vacation than having a bunch of vultures swarming the coaches and players when fall practice begins.

And it's definitely beneficial to the program to have a UM man reporting actual facts and probably even trying his hardest to do the right thing by the program instead of some UF/FSU local maggot looking to put a sensational spin on "facts."

Why would there be vultures at fall camp for the second string LB?

I disagree on the benefit you stated. There is no need to let stuff like this out until the UM investigation is completed. That leads to the folks you would like NOT to report (the 'Noles and Gators in the press) - doing what you don't want them to do - which is wildly reporting and speculating.

I can see controlling the message by UM as an excellent strategy. Only after the investigation has been concluded and the results submitted to the NCAA.

 

[Tad Footeball]

I'm not putting anybody on "blast", I'm just reporting what happened. That's my job.

Do I like reporting on stuff like that? No, I'd rather be talking about a new commitment or something like that, but the fact of the matter is what happened, happened.

And also, I don't report stuff that players tell me. That would completely break their trust and I don't step on my sources just to be first with something.

What I took from the article is you absolutely put someone on blast.....the car rental company owner for admitting that he couldn't name a guy on the let alone hook them up with some sweetheart deal. Excellent reportage. There's obviously nothing to see here. Move along.

Using that logic we shouldve believed everything nevin said too right?

You lost me. Nevin was making grandiose claims. Pete reported that this guy seemingly doesn't even watch UM football.

I'm not saying the owner is lying at all but he has a business to protect so denying anything that brings him negative attention is and should be his #1 priority. Anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Furthermore the owner very well might not even be involved with day to day operations or the rental could've been a straw purchase to begin with and not even under youngs name. It was reported from the start the reason JW was immediately suspended was because he wasn't forthcoming during the initial questioning by compliance...a pretty big red flag.

I'm comfortable taking the man at his word and moving on.

 

[Ghandi]

please eloquently explain for the rest of us exactly how what pete reported was to the detriment of the program.

Sure, since you don't seem to understand how things work. Let's take two different situations.

On 07/03 (article link below), Alabama reported 19 secondary violations to the NCAA, 5 of those belonged to the football team. I'm sure most people close to the program (media included) were aware of what was going on - but it was not even hinted at until the report was completed.

Alabama self-reports 19 secondary NCAA violations | AL.com

In that same time period, Miami is in the middle of investigating an ALLEGATION against the school that some kids received impermissible benefits (more than likely secondary rules violations like Alabama). Some student/athlete leaks it to Ariz - who can't run fast enough to the Herald w/ the scoop. The school then has to spend an inordinate amount of time discussing the INVESTIGATION in the media - not giving the school a chance to complete its internal investigation, while at the same time making the NCAA aware of some improprieties on campus.

You don't see a difference there?

Mother of GOD! Can you reach any further?

I know its tough being objective.

But lets try it this way -

What is the benefit of leaking that there is an investigation into student athletes prior to it being reported to the NCAA?

Transparency. I'm pretty sure we're still under probation till fall so in an effort to convince the NCAA that we on top of any possible infraction is key to avoiding additional penalties. The perception that the compliance office is proactive is key. It also puts the kids on notice if you **** up we aren't playing around.

How does this level of transparency (out in the public before the investigation is completed) affect the program's compliance department, and their relationship with the NCAA enforcement?

How do you know Miami was not going to announce the results of the investigation and their discussion with the NCAA to the media? They never even had a chance to do it.

Transparency, and by extension the desire to know EVERYTHING about the program, is what leads to the downfall of programs.

Loose lips sink ships.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Dirty cops strike again.

Kid is lucky to be alive.

Yet posters here were destroying him for drunk driving when he wasn't even drunk.

I think Richt should suspend him......for only having drank "2 cups of beer". You in college or what, Walton? You should be sweating out 2 cups worth of beer just on your walk back to the dorms from Greentree.

 

[Ghandi]

Don't kill the messenger! Pete is doing his job. Players need to understand there are consequences for such behavior. That's life. Grow up!

Pete is doing what is in his best interest.

 

[Jeeperaf]

MR is full of sh*t if he suspends Bruce for what he did in HS. Sorry, but that would be pure BS

Again...like it or not, when an athlete submits that valid LOI and its accepted by the University, they [both parties] agreed to the fact that said athlete is now a public representative of the University 24/7.

That's a big concept for anyone to grasp at that young and immature age, even bigger and more difficult to live up to.

Tough but true.

Go Richt...Go Canes...

Actually, they are not accepted when they sign LOIs. It will be utterly BS if Bruce is suspended for an isolated HS incident.

MR can miss me with that Holy Holy crap. Just Coach and Win!

Beer...I think you didnt understand what I said...

the LOIs have a to part "test" to be valid...

1) athlete must submit a signed and valid LOI within a proscribed time period (they are variable); and

2) the gaining university accepts and validates receipt of the LOI and then reports that on to the NCAA within a proscribed time period (they too are variable circumstances depending)

Bruce and UM completed #1 and #2 , thus both agreeing at that moment that Bruce was a representative of UM in the role and resposibility of a UM student athlete (and high profile as added measure).

That doesn't mean UM accepted him to the University--although they did separately without question. As strange as it sounds, the LOI process is disconnected from the actual application/admissions process to the University itself. Regardless if Bruce plays football or not, he can still be a student at UM if he qualifies and.can afford to.attend.

I didnt say or.imply he was accepted by UM with the LOI process...my.bad on confusion if thats what was communicated...

I will.disagree however, on the just win. While satisfying as it might be to see "W" after "W" rack up through the seasons, I find it very laudable and admirable (and I dont agree with Richt's religious intentions) of Richt's desire to also produce the best and most productive human beings from.the program.he leads as well. Its very responsible to.society, to those athletes, and their parents that, within appropriate bounds, he also.takes that mission on.

My opinion doesn't make.me.more "right" than you for sure, just I happen to be a supporter of Richt' s reasonable efforts to.instill discipline.

Its a foundation that will.consistently make a.winning program.go.