Pay or develop. Bottom line. Point blank.

[King of Allapattah]

Miami will never get back to the mountain top unless they're willing to ante up and pay these kids the going rate, or develop the 3 & 4-star kids who do sign here.

In addition, we've got to do a better job of identifying who the top kids are and offer them early in the process. We can't continue to have situations like Battle, Rosemy, etc. and expect them to be loyal to us when we're giving them the cold shoulder. Battle wanted to commit but we held him off too long, and by the time he was a take it was too late. Ohio St and Alabama had already gotten involved.

At the end of the day, IF we can win and develop we will be fine. We won't get them all, but we will get our fair share.

Win. Recruit. Develop.

GO CANES!!

 

[Batmancane]

Win and develop

But agree for the most part

 

[Arel305]

Miami will never get back to the mountain top unless they're willing to ante up and pay these kids the going rate, or develop the 3 & 4-star kids who do sign here.

In addition, we've got to do a better job of identifying who the top kids are and offer them early in the process. We can't continue to have situations like Battle, Rosemy, etc. and expect them to be loyal to us when we're giving them the cold shoulder. Battle wanted to commit but we held him off too long, and by the time he was a take it was too late. Ohio St and Alabama had already gotten involved.

At the end of the day, IF we can win and develop we will be fine. We won't get them all, but we will get our fair share.

Win. Recruit. Develop.

GO CANES!!

Win and develop

But agree for the most part

A little bit of both is required just ask Nick or Dabo twice unofficially.

 

[305407cane]

Even if battle committed he’d had decommited after our 7 win season. Win 10+ games. Give Clemson a game. Get to a NY6 and we’ll have a 2018-like class. Top ten for 3 years straight and this team will transform. Instead of big play Bobby knowles on the two deep we got 4-stars on the two deep waiting their turn. And get a god dam QB and a left tackle

 

[Canefan73]

I'd be curious to know what the "Going rate" is. I keep hearing 200k + for a 5*. That's just insane to drop kind of $ on a kid that may never play a down.

 

[CANE]

Miami will never get back to the mountain top unless they're willing to ante up and pay these kids the going rate, or develop the 3 & 4-star kids who do sign here.

In addition, we've got to do a better job of identifying who the top kids are and offer them early in the process. We can't continue to have situations like Battle, Rosemy, etc. and expect them to be loyal to us when we're giving them the cold shoulder. Battle wanted to commit but we held him off too long, and by the time he was a take it was too late. Ohio St and Alabama had already gotten involved.

At the end of the day, IF we can win and develop we will be fine. We won't get them all, but we will get our fair share.

Win. Recruit. Develop.

GO CANES!!

MIAMI could never pay for play like the $ec. People post about paying players on an open message board. A MIAMI ALUMUS defended nevin shapiro. These things are unheard of in the $ec. Do you really think MIAMI could get away with what the $ec gets away with?

 

[linesniper]

Pay and win.

 

[fresssh]

I'd be curious to know what the "Going rate" is. I keep hearing 200k + for a 5*. That's just insane to drop kind of $ on a kid that may never play a down.

If thats the case, need to have 1 mil dedicated a year for these recruits. Just pay 5 of them.

 

[Gatorhater]

We can’t bag it. Ncaa supports Bama but hates us. We can spend for the staff we need to win with those we get. Instead of some chump from temple, go to Moffitt at LSU with a signed check and see what the number needs to be to get him to change swamps and come back here. You don’t want Butch as HC, fine how much would it take to get him as DC and recruiting czar. Spend legal money in whatever amount is necessary to buy the staff we need. Saban hires consultants by the dozens. Think about the “consultants” we could hire. How many yellow jackets consultants can we have hanging around.

We can win a money war fought like that. Winning on the field the old way will drive the bag cost through the roof. Invest in the brand and the school will recover the money other ways.

 

[oracleturts]

Seriously he’s right. In reading that bagman story it strikes me as a failure of the fans.

I went shopping yesterday while wearing a canes shirt. I’m in the Atlanta area.The store owner made a commmet about why we ran Richt out of town. I asked him if he liked Richt and he then said Richt recruited his son and that he is at UGA

I said Richt didn’t have it any more and then made a joke asking how much were they paying players these days. Without any hesitation he said that boosters called an uncle or relative and offers cars and maybe a job that you don’t show up to.

There it is. Untraceable and not paid to the player or their immediate family. It’s the big money fans doing it. What’s sad is in doing a google search you don’t really find people talking about it. There was one thread on a Kentucky board.

When I joke about how Alabama is paying players to fans of other SEC schools they look like at me like I’m kooky dooks. Maybe it’s just because we are where all the benefits are being thrown around is why we are the only ones that see it.

We nearly got destroyed S a program over $50 bucks placed in pool pockets and a dinner at Benihana. SMMFH.

 

[deleted19096]

Miami will never get back to the mountain top unless they're willing to ante up and pay these kids the going rate, or develop the 3 & 4-star kids who do sign here.

In addition, we've got to do a better job of identifying who the top kids are and offer them early in the process. We can't continue to have situations like Battle, Rosemy, etc. and expect them to be loyal to us when we're giving them the cold shoulder. Battle wanted to commit but we held him off too long, and by the time he was a take it was too late. Ohio St and Alabama had already gotten involved.

At the end of the day, IF we can win and develop we will be fine. We won't get them all, but we will get our fair share.

Win. Recruit. Develop.

GO CANES!!

Shapiro was allegedly paying players and Miami was mediocre in those days. You mentioned Ohio State and Bama, which are great at developing players.

But, they are doing what Miami isn't, winning. And that is what it all boils down to on why blue Chip croots don't want to play for Miami.

 

[Home Slice]

Based on all the SEC Bagmen stuff being posted, what are people's thoughts on Clemson (ACC) and Oklahoma (Big 12)? I won't offend TD Jesus and ask about ND.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Shapiro was allegedly paying players and Miami was mediocre in those days. You mentioned Ohio State and Bama, which are great at developing players.

But, they are doing what Miami isn't, winning. And that is what it all boils down to on why blue Chip croots don't want to play for Miami.

You’re clueless.

What Shapiro was doing was penny ante stuff.

No credible claims were ever made of any significant bag payments or the like. Just things like so called impermissible benefits, like cheap steak dinners, boat rides, and used washing machines.

Try to be more accurate.

 

[SonnyLong]

Miami will never get back to the mountain top unless they're willing to ante up and pay these kids the going rate, or develop the 3 & 4-star kids who do sign here.

In addition, we've got to do a better job of identifying who the top kids are and offer them early in the process. We can't continue to have situations like Battle, Rosemy, etc. and expect them to be loyal to us when we're giving them the cold shoulder. Battle wanted to commit but we held him off too long, and by the time he was a take it was too late. Ohio St and Alabama had already gotten involved.

At the end of the day, IF we can win and develop we will be fine. We won't get them all, but we will get our fair share.

Win. Recruit. Develop.

GO CANES!!

Stupid....... Get over the Bag Myth. Coaching Matters.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Shapiro was allegedly paying players and Miami was mediocre in those days. You mentioned Ohio State and Bama, which are great at developing players.

But, they are doing what Miami isn't, winning. And that is what it all boils down to on why blue Chip croots don't want to play for Miami.

The Ponzi midget couldn't substantiate much of anything and whatever he was doing was minor league compared to what Alabama is doing. We've caught twice because the Feds got involved. The first because of Anthony Russell and the Pell Grant scandal and the second because of the Ponzi midget.

You tell me how Tua's entire family picks up and moves from Hawaii to Tuscaloosa and they are set? He isn't even hiding the fact the 400 friends and family are attending the game tomorrow night. Cam Newton's dad was caught red handed taking money. You think Cam was unaware? LoL. The punishment--suspend Newton? Not a chance. His dad could attend not the national championship game.

That being said stop swinging for the fields. We passed on kids who could definitely be developed and star here. Win the division consistently and we get better players. Start winning the conference and we get even better players. Win the conference and we are in the playoff discussion.

It is working at UCF. If McKenzie isn't lost for the season, they beat LSU who beat us like a drum.

 

[King of Allapattah]

Shapiro was allegedly paying players and Miami was mediocre in those days. You mentioned Ohio State and Bama, which are great at developing players.

But, they are doing what Miami isn't, winning. And that is what it all boils down to on why blue Chip croots don't want to play for Miami.

As I said in my initial post, Miami needs to develop. If you look at Miami's success over the last 30 years, it's pretty clear that Miami's best years were with coaching staffs that developed their talent. Miami has been irrelevant now for 15+ years and it's not necessarily because we can't recruit, it's because we can't develop. Started with Coker and continued under Shannon, Golden and to a lesser extent Richt.

I think the formula is pretty simple... recruit + develop = WINNING!

What's the point in signing top 5 classes if you aren't going to maximize the talent?

I'd be curious to know what the "Going rate" is. I keep hearing 200k + for a 5*. That's just insane to drop kind of $ on a kid that may never play a down.

The going rate is anything a school is willing to pony up. Tyrique got six figures for his signature. So did Neal. And the lists goes on.

 

[uprising]

You’re clueless.

What Shapiro was doing was penny ante stuff.

No credible claims were ever made of any significant bag payments or the like. Just things like so called impermissible benefits, like cheap steak dinners, boat rides, and used washing machines.

Try to be more accurate.

By ****piro’s own admission he couldn’t compete or keep up with the SleEzyC bagmen.

 

[King of Allapattah]

Stupid....... Get over the Bag Myth. Coaching Matters.

Unfortunately for us, it's not a myth. Bag men in college football are as real as death and taxes.

That said, I agree 100% with "Coaching matters."

 

[oracleturts]

We just have The fan base to get in the bag game. It would be nice if some of you in construction would offer to give momma that new kitchen for a low bid. Or some of you with cleaning companies could give momma some free cleaning vouchers. This is the bags. This is what SEC teams are doing. I had a GA players dad tell me straight to my face.

I guarantee there is a cosmetic dentist in Alabama who just offered to help momma with some dental work. Not to mention 20 year financing in Dodge chargers at 0% interest.

 

[King of Allapattah]

Based on all the SEC Bagmen stuff being posted, what are people's thoughts on Clemson (ACC) and Oklahoma (Big 12)? I won't offend TD Jesus and ask about ND.

Whether it's with money, cars, housing, jobs, etc. everyone's doing it. Some to a much larger extent, but that's the college world we live in today. In order to stay competitive, when in Rome...