Pac 12 Players Asking for 50% of revenue to play this year

[NC_Canes_11]

Yup, that'll be the next arguement. Until there's not enough money to go around and the athletic programs start to dissolve, and then there won't even be any opportunities for smaller sports. The NCAA will cave in todays political climate.

“The path to **** is paved with good intentions.”

Yep It’ll lead to only football and basketball and then a couple random women’s sports to comply with Title Nine being left. On the other hand, people will finally get that Pod system they’ve always wanted, bc there won’t even be enough schools left to make up 5 conferences!

 

[Empirical Cane]

Who the **** does Elon Musk think he is making millions., He wouldn't be anywhere without the guy turning a wrench in his factory. Same with Bezos, Edison, Ford, etc.

The workers should control the means of production!

Aye comrade, those capitalist pigs must pay for their crimes...

 

[Empirical Cane]

The workers shouldn't be glorified wage slaves either. It's amazing that people have no problem with these oligarchs ******** over the working class, failing to understand that ensuring that a working person has the means to survive and thrive is key to any system surviving. You can have a capitalist society, and not doom the typical working class person to a miserable, desperate existence. Then again, when you have people that think that they are part of "The Club", even though they aren't, they will bootlick for those that couldn't care less about any of us.

Remember, it's rugged individualism for us, but socialized capitalism for the wealthy. They stack the deck in their favor and then get mad when the rest of us point out that the game is utterly rigged.

Curious: what annual salary do you consider someone "wealthy"?

 

[Empirical Cane]

I hate to break it to you, 99% of these kids would not be getting an education otherwise. They are getting paid, with 6 figure educations. How many of them actually take full advantage of their opportunity... not just on the field but in the classroom as well?

most graduation rates do not tell a good story...

 

[scrantoncane]

Yes apparently, those players at those online only schools could choose to stay home, take online classes and pay for books and tuition just like other students, then look for a 9-5er upon graduation. also, is it NOt easier to plan to keep 100 people isolated than the entire 30k student body? I’m NOt suggesting Money isnt the deciding factor, but a plan for 100 is a lot easier than making a plan for 30k

To even reply to this post is beneath me, but I want to give you the chance to re-respond in a more coherent manner

 

[SayWhat]

You don't see the hypocrisy of some schools going totally online in the fall, yet requiring football players to sign Covid waivers? And still not paying them? All while the coaches, administrators and universities make millions.

They treat them as employees, but don't want to pay them. That is BS.

Pay them nothing? See that's the problem right there.

You get a free education with all expense paid, values differ.

You get free food, I can promise you it's better than anything the other 99 percent of the school is eating.

You get free room and board.

You get free clothing and apparel.

You have access to a ton of amenities that's reserved for student athletes only.

You get free personal trainers.

You get free tutors.

You get to travel around the country, seeing and doing things a lot of people never will. You get 5 star service, okay maybe 4 star, the entire time.

You get treated like a king or queen, everyone is on your jock at the premiere programs.

Your cost to the university is on pat or above what your professors make. It's more than those serving you food and taking care of you. Your coaches are the only ones getting paid more.

All of this you've been given. You're afforded a chance not only to make it to the next level, however slight that may be, but you're afforded a chance at an education that will be your livelihood. Most wouldn't even be there if not for their athletic prowess with their lackluster GPA"s and Sat scores. Even if they did get to college, they're leaving with a ton of debt.

Get out of here with this they aren't getting ****. This year schools are going to lose money with decreased attendance. Yet they want more? Show them the door.

 

[TriStarCane]

Ohhh....ahhhh.....that's how it always starts...

but then later there is running and screaming...

The stark reality of economics.

I see you with the Dr Malcolm reference

 

[KevinCaneFace]

And? Why is it that capitalism is perfectly fine for Coaches, ADs, staff and everyone else associated with the athletic department, but the actual talent is supposed to be happy with a pre fixed arrangement? Amazing how many bootlickers we have on this board, and in society at large. I wouldn't expect an intern to work for an ancillary benefit, I sure as **** don't expect someone who is potentially risking long term physical damage to do either. Either you can pay these guys a market based wage, or colleges shouldn't be running semi pro sports entities. Frankly, the emphasis on collegiate athletics at the D1 level hurts the typical student, far more than helps. Schools would exist without sports, at least the well managed ones would.

Most of these college players won’t even make it in leagues like the XFL or CFL. They need an amateur league to develop, train, and market themselves. During that time they have hundreds of people waiting hand and foot on them. Now, they even have the ability to make money on their name which wouldn’t mean anything if they weren’t on the local team. You’re about to see Football players on every local commercial and they wouldn’t have that opportunity without the school team.
So on top of all that, they should all get 50% of the profit and the other 50% gets split between all the workers, other school sports, the costs of running athletic programs and all the employees? These kids obviously haven’t taken an economics class because no program could run on those numbers

 

[Empirical Cane]

Pay them nothing? See that's the problem right there.

You get a free education with all expense paid, values differ.

You get free food, I can promise you it's better than anything the other 99 percent of the school is eating.

You get free room and board.

You get free clothing and apparel.

You have access to a ton of amenities that's reserved for student athletes only.

You get free personal trainers.

You get free tutors.

You get to travel around the country, seeing and doing things a lot of people never will. You get 5 star service, okay maybe 4 star, the entire time.

You get treated like a king or queen, everyone is on your jock at the premiere programs.

Your cost to the university is on pat or above what your professors make. It's more than those serving you food and taking care of you. Your coaches are the only ones getting paid more.

All of this you've been given. You're afforded a chance not only to make it to the next level, however slight that may be, but you're afforded a chance at an education that will be your livelihood. Most wouldn't even be there if not for their athletic prowess with their lackluster GPA"s and Sat scores. Even if they did get to college, they're leaving with a ton of debt.

Get out of here with this they aren't getting ****. This year schools are going to lose money with decreased attendance. Yet they want more? Show them the door.

this portion almost always gets conveniently left out of the equation.

 

[Empirical Cane]

You really think that these top end guys wouldn't be doing something else? By the way, the "They get a scholarship" argument is garbage because of the fact that the educations they receive are sketchy at best. Most of these schools have NO intention of truly educating these kids. If they did, they would expect the typical incoming student athlete to have a similar academic profile to the rest of the student body. They don't. If it was truly about education, then the UNC basketball program wouldn't exist today. That program had a decades long run of institutionally supported academic fraud, no punishment whatsoever from the NCAA or the ACC.

There's a reason why people don't line up to watch NAIA or FCS ball. It's because no one gives a **** about second and third tier athletes. These top end athletes know that they have some leverage and while they may have overreached, they are doing something they should have done decades ago. College sports is the ONLY industry in which everyone else gets paid, EXCEPT for the labor. You aren't finding these athletes on every corner, you sure as **** aren't finding the high end guys working at the five and dime.

The "labor" gets significant in-kind compensation--not even debatable.

What is debatable: is it enough?

 

[Empirical Cane]

I see you with the Dr Malcolm reference

Winner winner chicken dinner.

 

[sabrose]

Without college to educate many of these players and prep them for the life and or the NFL, these guys will probably join some off league make a few bucks. A few will make the pros but they will be left without an education. If the leftist cities out west are committing suicide its natural college football out west will too in those areas.

 

[Canedude08]

It's worse everywhere else in the world.

And? What's your point? There are also places in the world where it's still legal to own another human being, doesn't make it morally right.

Just because we have it better than other places(Those people are getting **** on too), doesn't mean it can't be even better, doesn't mean we can't do more to ensure true opportunity for all. It's amazing how we live in a society in which a working person asking for a wage that they can actually live on is socialism, but a billionaire coming with his hand out, despite being given **** near every advantage is seen as a genius.

George Carlin wasn't bull****ting...

 

[Canedude08]

Most of these college players won’t even make it in leagues like the XFL or CFL. They need an amateur league to develop, train, and market themselves. During that time they have hundreds of people waiting hand and foot on them. Now, they even have the ability to make money on their name which wouldn’t mean anything if they weren’t on the local team. You’re about to see Football players on every local commercial and they wouldn’t have that opportunity without the school team.
So on top of all that, they should all get 50% of the profit and the other 50% gets split between all the workers, other school sports, the costs of running athletic programs and all the employees? These kids obviously haven’t taken an economics class because no program could run on those numbers

Ever wonder how the rest of the world manages to have high quality athletics, without prostituting their institutions of higher education? They make the PRO LEAGUES do it. They make the PRO LEAGUES develop their own talent. Soccer franchises the world over have academies, where they find talented youngsters, develop them, and educate them as well. In fact, Luka Doncic is a prime example of this, because he was developed by Real Madrid, they also educated him along the way.

If the NFL wants to develop talent, let the individual franchises shoulder the burden. Problem solved. Kids are able to develop their craft, the ones that make it will make it, and the ones that don't will probably have the same level of education that they would have gotten at a University.

 

[Canedude08]

Yup, that'll be the next arguement. Until there's not enough money to go around and the athletic programs start to dissolve, and then there won't even be any opportunities for smaller sports. The NCAA will cave in todays political climate.

Oh well. Maybe this is a sign that institutions of higher learning shouldn't be running semi-pro sports, sports that are corrupt to the core. We are the only country on planet earth that does it this way. Let the pro leagues run their developmental leagues, let them be responsible. Maybe we should go back to collegiate athletics being a small time enterprise akin to modern day club sports.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Pay them nothing? See that's the problem right there.

You get a free education with all expense paid, values differ.

You get free food, I can promise you it's better than anything the other 99 percent of the school is eating.

You get free room and board.

You get free clothing and apparel.

You have access to a ton of amenities that's reserved for student athletes only.

You get free personal trainers.

You get free tutors.

You get to travel around the country, seeing and doing things a lot of people never will. You get 5 star service, okay maybe 4 star, the entire time.

You get treated like a king or queen, everyone is on your jock at the premiere programs.

Your cost to the university is on pat or above what your professors make. It's more than those serving you food and taking care of you. Your coaches are the only ones getting paid more.

All of this you've been given. You're afforded a chance not only to make it to the next level, however slight that may be, but you're afforded a chance at an education that will be your livelihood. Most wouldn't even be there if not for their athletic prowess with their lackluster GPA"s and Sat scores. Even if they did get to college, they're leaving with a ton of debt.

Get out of here with this they aren't getting ****. This year schools are going to lose money with decreased attendance. Yet they want more? Show them the door.

Scholarship players don't get a free education, they trade their talent for an education. If it was free all non-athletes would be in school.

 

[moneymanj]

Scholarship players don't get a free education, they trade their talent for an education. If it was free all non-athletes would be in school.

They do get a free education, because they have a talent. There’s no trade. It’s how the world works. If you have a particular skill set in certain industry you get compensated in return for your skill. There’s plenty of non athletes who are just as gifted in other areas and they don’t get scholarships. A football scholarship is a blessing. You either take advantage of it and a) use it to make it to the league b) use it to get a degree and develop a skill set to gain employment after college. If you do neither it’s on you. It’s like setting someone up with a silver platter. You have tutors basically doing your homework, a whole community of thousands to network with, you’re fed on a daily basis, free housing, travel the country, play your favorite sport, workout in world class facilities, have access to a library where you can find anything to read about and learn, guidance counselors, job placement, there’s unlimited resources it’s all there. Plus you get a monthly stipend and a bunch of free **** from bowl games and other events. I’m so tired of this conversation, the tools are all there.

 

[moneymanj]

Pay them nothing? See that's the problem right there.

You get a free education with all expense paid, values differ.

You get free food, I can promise you it's better than anything the other 99 percent of the school is eating.

You get free room and board.

You get free clothing and apparel.

You have access to a ton of amenities that's reserved for student athletes only.

You get free personal trainers.

You get free tutors.

You get to travel around the country, seeing and doing things a lot of people never will. You get 5 star service, okay maybe 4 star, the entire time.

You get treated like a king or queen, everyone is on your jock at the premiere programs.

Your cost to the university is on pat or above what your professors make. It's more than those serving you food and taking care of you. Your coaches are the only ones getting paid more.

All of this you've been given. You're afforded a chance not only to make it to the next level, however slight that may be, but you're afforded a chance at an education that will be your livelihood. Most wouldn't even be there if not for their athletic prowess with their lackluster GPA"s and Sat scores. Even if they did get to college, they're leaving with a ton of debt.

Get out of here with this they aren't getting ****. This year schools are going to lose money with decreased attendance. Yet they want more? Show them the door.

Not only that, we have kids showing up to these schools with these opportunities going out still ******* around in the streets or acting stupid. That’s a fact.And now they wanna demand thousands be put in their pockets? For what? Go play ball focus on your free education others would kill for and your craft for 4 Years.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

They do get a free education, because they have a talent.

The education's not free, nothing's free. Besides, most of that money goes back to the school, so basically the school's paying themselves.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Oh well. Maybe this is a sign that institutions of higher learning shouldn't be running semi-pro sports, sports that are corrupt to the core. We are the only country on planet earth that does it this way. Let the pro leagues run their developmental leagues, let them be responsible. Maybe we should go back to collegiate athletics being a small time enterprise akin to modern day club sports.

In a way CFB benefited from Covid, if it wasn't for Covid the now defunct XFL could've been a legitimate threat to SCAMateurism.