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bshaw28 said:
I'll use your example to answer your question - Ohio St with 202 lb. TreVeyon Henderson.

Better Question - How many college teams aren't winning because of their RB's poor pass blocking?

Even Better Question - Can you name 1 game ever where you'd say "The reason why this team lost is because their RB's couldn't protect the QB"?
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The Treveyon Henderson who Daniel Jeremiah said was one of the best pass protecting running backs he’s ever evaluated?

This Treveyon Henderson?

 
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Like I’m not even arguing running back pass pro is massively important but what an odd choice.
 
bshaw28 said:
Even Better Question - Can you name 1 game ever where you'd say "The reason why this team lost is because their RB's couldn't protect the QB"?
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Forget games. It can cost you seasons. Do you remember when Sammy Morris missed his block and Tom Brady blew out his knee?

I’d say that was pretty important.
 
DMoney said:
Forget games. It can cost you seasons. Do you remember when Sammy Morris missed his block and Tom Brady blew out his knee?

I appreciate hot takes, but this is getting silly.
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Do YOU remember?

Please explain how this is Sammy Morris' fault?

- Sammy Morris picks up Bernard Pollard
- Blocks & pins him to the ground 4 yds away from Brady
- But Brady steps up and Pollard lunges at his knee (which would be a flag today)

I appreciate you going back 17 years for a bad example.

We agree on 1 thing - it was silly of me to think you could answer that question.



 
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bshaw28 said:
- Blocks & pins him to the ground 4 yds away from Brady
- But Brady steps up and Pollard lunges at his knee (which would be a flag today)

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What part of his body did he make that block with? His shin?

Here's another pretty important one. Cost the Falcons the Super Bowl:



There are a million more examples, but I'm showing you championships being swung because of missed RB blocks.

I thought you'd drop this after the bad TreVeon Henderson example, but it’s an endless pit. If you want to make the argument that RB pass protection doesn't matter, type away. Everyone in football will continue to preach the opposite.
 
DMoney said:
What part of his body did he make that block with? His shin?

Here's another pretty important one. Cost the Falcons the Super Bowl:



There are a million more examples, but I'm showing you championships being swung because of missed RB blocks.

I thought you'd go away after that embarrassing TreVeon Henderson example, but this is an endless pit. If you want to make the argument that RB pass protection doesn't matter, type away. Everyone in football will continue to preach the opposite.
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So to be clear - you still think Brady's ACL was Sammy Morris' fault, right?

I enjoy these discussions to see how hard you'll double down when you KNOW you're wrong.

I 100% agree that was a bad block by Freeman - but let me ask you:

- The Falcons were up 28-3 - but you think this one play cost them the Super Bowl?
- Do you think the play call - Going up top vs running on 3rd & 1 and eating clock - was as much to blame as the block?
- Do you think Matt Ryan - deciding to still go up top instead of eating the sack from the blitzer he clearly saw - was as much to blame as the block?

I'll explain Henderson tomorrow - and like my questions above, I'm sure you'll have no response.

And when I say pass pro doesn't matter, that's short for "blocking matters, just not that much. Not near as much as you act like it does". But you preach on brother.
 
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TwentySix said:
Ajay Allen?
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2023 - Allen had 70 carries - when competing with Fletcher/Parrish/Chaney
2024 - Allen had 24 carries - when competing with Fletcher/Martinez/Lyle

IMO - Allen's pass blocking didn't keep him off the field in 2023. Our Rb's were just less talented.

In 2024 he simply lost carries to more talented RB's.

If we missed out on Martinez, Allen would've seen the field more than he did in 2023.
 
Im all for getting explosiveness on the field, but I also understand that the 2nd Pringle gets pushed back into Carson Becks leg when said team runs an exotic blitz and he gets injured, people would be going insane.

OR Pringle doesnt read play correctly and releases and allows a free blitzer...
 
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bshaw28 said:
2023 - Allen had 70 carries - when competing with Fletcher/Parrish/Chaney
2024 - Allen had 24 carries - when competing with Fletcher/Martinez/Lyle

IMO - Allen's pass blocking didn't keep him off the field in 2023. Our Rb's were just less talented.

In 2024 he simply lost carries to more talented RB's.

If we missed out on Martinez, Allen would've seen the field more than he did in 2023.
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I was more asking if that’s the one you were thinking of. I was never a big Allen fan, but his big runs and TD numbers per carry were pretty high.
 
TwentySix said:
The Treveyon Henderson who Daniel Jeremiah said was one of the best pass protecting running backs he’s ever evaluated?

This Treveyon Henderson?

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D$'s questions was "How many college teams are winning big with smaller, pass-catching backs?"

The question had nothing to do with blocking. But since we're been discussing blocking, I completely see why Henderson sounds like a bad answer.

Jahmyr Gibbs (Alabama), James Cook (Georgia), Bucky Irving/Jordan James (Oregon) would've been better.

But I'll give Reason #6 on the subject of Henderson's blocking:

During Ohio St's 4 game NC playoff run, Henderson put up:

Rushing - 36 - 265 yds - 7.4 ypc - 4 TD's
Receiving - 8 - 149 yds - 18.6 ypc - 1 TD's
Pass Blocking - 10 pass block snaps on 119 dropbacks

Why pass blocking isn't that important - If pass blocking is so important, and Henderson is one of the best pass blockers ever, then why in OSU's 4 most important games was Henderson pass blocking on only 8% of their dropbacks?

What Really Matters - I'd say Henderson's contribution to OSU's NC was 90% the plays he made running & receiving, 10% pass blocking. And I feel that's being very generous.

But @DMoney @RVACane - what do you think? :unsure:
 
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TwentySix said:
I was more asking if that’s the one you were thinking of. I was never a big Allen fan, but his big runs and TD numbers per carry were pretty high.
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Gotcha. When I asked the question:

"Can you give an example of a RB, college or pro, who consistently made big plays when on the field (not just here and there), but couldn't ever get on the field because they could never pick up pass pro? I can honestly think of maybe 1."

The one I was thought of was Ronald Jones at Tampa. Bruce Arians used to lose his sh*t about Jones' blocking.

I basically asked because people talk about like it happens all the time, but no one has any examples of it ever happening.
 
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gacaneaddict said:
Im all for getting explosiveness on the field, but I also understand that the 2nd Pringle gets pushed back into Carson Becks leg when said team runs an exotic blitz and he gets injured, people would be going insane.

OR Pringle doesn't read play correctly and releases and allows a free blitzer...
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Not aimed at you. I get the concern. But my counter continues to be, how often does this actually happen? Can you remember it ever happening at Miami?

D$ said he had a million examples, and the 2 he gave were:

1 - From 17 years ago that had nothing to do with the RB
2 - From 8 years ago which the QB held on too long and got sacked, but not injured.

It it were common, wouldn't there be 2-3 examples everyone could give from the last couple years?

Our RB's are gonna give up 1-2 sacks every year. It's gonna happen. But the whole "the RB's are gonna get our QB killed" pretty much never happens. It feels like a Helicopter mom argument to me.
 
Fletcher looks really good at 9% body fat. He doesn't look 225. I believe he is going to have a good year. The RB room looks really nice. Beck is definitely capable of running for a 1st down. Dawson said, we ran 55% of the time last season, I don't see him running any more than that this season. I personally don't see a Dawson O with a top vet QB running 60+% of the time.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Bernard Shaw taking D$ out to deep waters in a running back discussion is why I come to this website.

See yall on Page 23.
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I love D$. I really do appreciate this site, all his takes, and the content. He's a smart dude.

But I also enjoy watching how far he paints himself into a corner until hitting eject is his only option :ROFLMAO:
 
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Cane30 said:
Fletcher looks really good at 9% body fat. He doesn't look 225. I believe he is going to have a good year. The RB room looks really nice. Beck is definitely capable of running for a 1st down. Dawson said, we ran 55% of the time last season, I don't see him running any more than that this season. I personally don't see a Dawson O with a top vet QB running 60+% of the time.
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456 passes vs 395 runs against FBS teams.

And that’s actual passes vs actual rushes, so when you account for Cam’s scrambles and the sacks, we actually called pass plays at about a 55% clip.

We absolutely did not run the ball 55% of the time, this was a pass-first offense.

Specifically on Fletcher, I’ve said all off-season that I’m really excited to see how he looks this year because he didn’t do much of anything last off-season due to the foot rehab. I still don’t think he’s a 1A back on a championship team but I think he can definitely be much improved from what we saw a year ago with the full off-season program.
 
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